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zaitsu said:
You don't see that ?
Some statments you can check with public data.
Tlou2 sold 4mil copies for 60$ each in first 3 day thats 240mil in 3 days.
Even if budget was higher than 100mil( which it isn't ) like in youre post thats still more than even, and in singlepayer games standard very good revenue. In first 3 days .

So the problem with this rumor is anyone who written that is basically so dumb he even didnt bother to make it realistic from mathematic point of view.

It's just x- man FUD.
Also i think Sony is pretty much satisfied with pre-orders and Jim Ryan isnt going anywhere. At least for few years.
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It sold 4 million and has fallen of the sales charts since. The first one did 20 million. I dont see how that wouldnt be considered a disappointment if your sony.
 
Dabaus said:
Some 4chan rumors I saw someone post. I dont believe 4 chan rumors but with everything going on i wouldnt be surprised if someone at sony was feeling disgruntled and deiced to spill the beans.


>Kenichiro Yoshida has been extremely frustrated with Jim Ryan, from the censorship policy that nearly tarnished the playstation image among japenese developers to TLOU2 financial failure, the PS5 surprised preorder as well as Undermining the Xbox Gamepass (when PS5 games are 70$) was the final straw to Jim's Position.

>Jim Ryan will Step down before March 2021, with Shuhei Yoshida Taking Over as the Head of Playstation, his First Priority would be to Reverse the Censorship Policy (in Japan at least, to fix the PR image among Japanese devs), as well as Merging PS+ and PSNow Under a single Umbrella to Counter the Xbox Game Pass.

>TLOU2 was a Financial failure, the announced budget was 100M$, but it was more than that, closer to 150-200M$ because of Covid-19, The Game Delay from May to June, as well as Sony Paying the Game Journalists to give it high scores (mostly to undermine the Leaks by the now Former Naughty Dog Employee), the game is selling for 20$> at major retailers.

>Naughty Dog is being reconstructed, with lower crunch time after the Leaks from the Mistreated Employee, Niel Druckmann is in Talks with Amy Hennings to patch things up, their next project (FPS) will have a Limited budget compared to their previous titles (LOUS2 still behind Break-Even).

>The Silent Hill Rumors are True, it Will Be Reveled in TGA 2020, Sony Tried to Purchase the IPs (Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill) around 2017 for 1.5B$ but Konami Rejected the Offer, wanted at least 3B$ which is too high for such properties.

>Sony Knew about the Microsoft/Zenimax acquisition Talks since 2019, they Offered 3.5 Billion for Zenimax but Microsoft Undercuts them around January with 7.5B$, thats why they Secured for two timed exclusives Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo (The PS5 Starfield Time Exclusive Situation had nothing to do with the acquisition, Todd Shut Down the Offer Himself).

>GOW2 is no Where near a Presentable State, it Will Skip TGA2020 (which is why Silent Hill Reveal Was Delayed), there's a high change it would be Delayed to 2022 even with crunch time, will have a timeskip and Atreus/Loki is Bisexual.

• >Japan Studio AAA Sci-Fi Adventure (Codenamed Rayspace) Was in Development Hell, the game started Development since 2015 for the PS4, and it was almost canceled in 2018 until Shuhei Yoshida stepped in himself, Moving the Development to the PS5 Developed by Tsutomu Kouno, will Feature Gundam Style Characters to Appeal to the Japanese Audiences, will be Revealed in 2021 and scheduled for release in early 2022.

>Sony has already signed with Kojima Productions and Bluepoint for acquisition, Announcement in December.
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Incredible how this 4chan dweller thinks Sony mildy covering up some anime girls cleavage is such a major point of contention that Yoshida will fire Jim over it

Also Lol TLOU2 financial failure
 
Dabaus said:
Some 4chan rumors I saw someone post. I dont believe 4 chan rumors but with everything going on i wouldnt be surprised if someone at sony was feeling disgruntled and deiced to spill the beans......
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I would have stopped at I don't believe 4chan rumors, but that's me. I mean, most of the stuff I read in the rumor bin sounds like someone made up a list of negative things for which to address with made up news rumors.

Regardless of how I feel about Jim Ryan: A) He had no control over that pre order situation once Walmart opened up their orders. B) Jim Ryan isn't likely to be held responsible for TLOU sales figures. C) What is that about undermining XBOX Gamepass? What does that have to do with the increase in cost for certain video games? That rise in media has been coming for a very long time now. Jim is responsible for that? nope.

Naughty Dog: Lessened crunch time... OK we all know crunch time is grueling and is awful for so many reasons. Lessened crunch time also = longer development time and rising costs. Also, the next Naughty Dog game, a AAA title 1st party studio to produce an FPS.... that on it's own is probably BS. Lower budget would also create havoc with that studio creating the quality of titles they are known for. That would trash the studio out even more... I doubt it.

Acquisition of Kojima Productions... Maybe... I don't know that Sony are going to be acquiring any studios for now unless they decide that they need to lock up studios they can lock up as a reaction to the idea that MS will be buying ones they can afford. Microsoft can outspend them anytime they want.... if they want. It's great MS Studios expands, but over expansion is bad in general. They also have to incorporate those studios properly. That's not something you just do. You can't go buying studios one after another and just assume thing go well.
Microsoft aren't likely done growing their studio by their own words, but, I don't think Sony can try to do the same outside of a studio here or there. They have to recover somewhat from the expenses of this new console as well.

The rest.. who knows. I just don't believe what 4chan folk say. If some stuff come true, .. OK. I'm still not going to believe whatever funnels out of there.
 
Dabaus said:
It sold 4 million and has fallen of the sales charts since. The first one did 20 million. I dont see how that wouldnt be considered a disappointment if your sony.
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That's 20 million in 6 years, across 2 Gen though.
And I'm pretty much sure that number includes the Remaster, which sold again on the PS4.

From the TLOU Wiki page.
"By August 2014, the game had sold eight million copies: seven million on PlayStation 3 and one million on PlayStation 4. By April 2018, the game sold 17 million copies across both consoles. According to Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad, the game had sold over 20 million units by October 2019."
 
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this video is out of whack...
what about the fact that -at least S- targets those who want a cheap point of entry into next-gen?
add gamepass to series S for value, and you can see where this goes....

also, dude starts by basically saying the $100 price difference is insignificant, then spends two minutes discussing why ps5 should undercut series X by ....$50 :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

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Dabaus said:
Some 4chan rumors I saw someone post. I dont believe 4 chan rumors but with everything going on i wouldnt be surprised if someone at sony was feeling disgruntled and deiced to spill the beans.


>Kenichiro Yoshida has been extremely frustrated with Jim Ryan, from the censorship policy that nearly tarnished the playstation image among japenese developers to TLOU2 financial failure, the PS5 surprised preorder as well as Undermining the Xbox Gamepass (when PS5 games are 70$) was the final straw to Jim's Position.

>Jim Ryan will Step down before March 2021, with Shuhei Yoshida Taking Over as the Head of Playstation, his First Priority would be to Reverse the Censorship Policy (in Japan at least, to fix the PR image among Japanese devs), as well as Merging PS+ and PSNow Under a single Umbrella to Counter the Xbox Game Pass.

>TLOU2 was a Financial failure, the announced budget was 100M$, but it was more than that, closer to 150-200M$ because of Covid-19, The Game Delay from May to June, as well as Sony Paying the Game Journalists to give it high scores (mostly to undermine the Leaks by the now Former Naughty Dog Employee), the game is selling for 20$> at major retailers.

>Naughty Dog is being reconstructed, with lower crunch time after the Leaks from the Mistreated Employee, Niel Druckmann is in Talks with Amy Hennings to patch things up, their next project (FPS) will have a Limited budget compared to their previous titles (LOUS2 still behind Break-Even).

>The Silent Hill Rumors are True, it Will Be Reveled in TGA 2020, Sony Tried to Purchase the IPs (Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill) around 2017 for 1.5B$ but Konami Rejected the Offer, wanted at least 3B$ which is too high for such properties.

>Sony Knew about the Microsoft/Zenimax acquisition Talks since 2019, they Offered 3.5 Billion for Zenimax but Microsoft Undercuts them around January with 7.5B$, thats why they Secured for two timed exclusives Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo (The PS5 Starfield Time Exclusive Situation had nothing to do with the acquisition, Todd Shut Down the Offer Himself).

>GOW2 is no Where near a Presentable State, it Will Skip TGA2020 (which is why Silent Hill Reveal Was Delayed), there's a high change it would be Delayed to 2022 even with crunch time, will have a timeskip and Atreus/Loki is Bisexual.

• >Japan Studio AAA Sci-Fi Adventure (Codenamed Rayspace) Was in Development Hell, the game started Development since 2015 for the PS4, and it was almost canceled in 2018 until Shuhei Yoshida stepped in himself, Moving the Development to the PS5 Developed by Tsutomu Kouno, will Feature Gundam Style Characters to Appeal to the Japanese Audiences, will be Revealed in 2021 and scheduled for release in early 2022.

>Sony has already signed with Kojima Productions and Bluepoint for acquisition, Announcement in December.
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Way too good to be true.
 
HAL-01 said:
Incredible how this 4chan dweller thinks Sony mildy covering up some anime girls cleavage is such a major point of contention that Yoshida will fire Jim over it

Also Lol TLOU2 financial failure
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It's less so the anime tiddies and more so the unreasonable hoops Japanese developers need to jump through to get Sony's approval, particularly:
  1. Communicating with Playstation HQ in English only. If your studio doesn't have anyone who's fluent in English, tough luck.
  2. You have to communicate with PS HQ's hours which is inconvenient considering the time zone differences between Japan and California.
Also, don't you find your statement to be self-contradictory? If covering up anime tiddies is such a "mild" matter, then why go out of their way to do so if it is really that trivial?
 
...also, that 4chan is -just like many people are saying- bullshit.
one thing that gives it away as fake is that when discussing how TLOU2 is a failure (it is), it brings up as an argument that it sells for 20 bucks at retailers. well, guess what: sony don't give a fuck for much it is sold by retailers. retailers paid sony at the asking price when building stock.
 
Loxus said:
That's 20 million in 6 years, across 2 Gen though.
And I'm pretty much sure that number includes the Remaster, which sold again on the PS4.

From the TLOU Wiki page.
"By August 2014, the game had sold eight million copies: seven million on PlayStation 3 and one million on PlayStation 4. By April 2018, the game sold 17 million copies across both consoles. According to Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad, the game had sold over 20 million units by October 2019."
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TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
 
Dabaus said:
TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
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So you got proven wrong embarrassingly and your next move is to spout nonsense without any evidence. Good one.
 
Dabaus said:
TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
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Ok so just say you hate TLOU2 and go, no need to post obviously fake leaks to try to get people to agree with you


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Dabaus said:
TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
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The characters weren't as likable and the story wasn't as good as the original. Joel acted totally out of sorts for his character. Don't get me started on Abby. She's modeled after a former bodybuilder/CrossFit athlete that uses steroids. If I'm juicing people in the apocalypse, I'm not wasting them bulking up a 5'8" female to 167 lbs.
 
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Dabaus said:
Some 4chan rumors I saw someone post. I dont believe 4 chan rumors but with everything going on i wouldnt be surprised if someone at sony was feeling disgruntled and deiced to spill the beans.


>Kenichiro Yoshida has been extremely frustrated with Jim Ryan, from the censorship policy that nearly tarnished the playstation image among japenese developers to TLOU2 financial failure, the PS5 surprised preorder as well as Undermining the Xbox Gamepass (when PS5 games are 70$) was the final straw to Jim's Position.

>Jim Ryan will Step down before March 2021, with Shuhei Yoshida Taking Over as the Head of Playstation, his First Priority would be to Reverse the Censorship Policy (in Japan at least, to fix the PR image among Japanese devs), as well as Merging PS+ and PSNow Under a single Umbrella to Counter the Xbox Game Pass.

>TLOU2 was a Financial failure, the announced budget was 100M$, but it was more than that, closer to 150-200M$ because of Covid-19, The Game Delay from May to June, as well as Sony Paying the Game Journalists to give it high scores (mostly to undermine the Leaks by the now Former Naughty Dog Employee), the game is selling for 20$> at major retailers.

>Naughty Dog is being reconstructed, with lower crunch time after the Leaks from the Mistreated Employee, Niel Druckmann is in Talks with Amy Hennings to patch things up, their next project (FPS) will have a Limited budget compared to their previous titles (LOUS2 still behind Break-Even).

>The Silent Hill Rumors are True, it Will Be Reveled in TGA 2020, Sony Tried to Purchase the IPs (Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill) around 2017 for 1.5B$ but Konami Rejected the Offer, wanted at least 3B$ which is too high for such properties.

>Sony Knew about the Microsoft/Zenimax acquisition Talks since 2019, they Offered 3.5 Billion for Zenimax but Microsoft Undercuts them around January with 7.5B$, thats why they Secured for two timed exclusives Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo (The PS5 Starfield Time Exclusive Situation had nothing to do with the acquisition, Todd Shut Down the Offer Himself).

>GOW2 is no Where near a Presentable State, it Will Skip TGA2020 (which is why Silent Hill Reveal Was Delayed), there's a high change it would be Delayed to 2022 even with crunch time, will have a timeskip and Atreus/Loki is Bisexual.

• >Japan Studio AAA Sci-Fi Adventure (Codenamed Rayspace) Was in Development Hell, the game started Development since 2015 for the PS4, and it was almost canceled in 2018 until Shuhei Yoshida stepped in himself, Moving the Development to the PS5 Developed by Tsutomu Kouno, will Feature Gundam Style Characters to Appeal to the Japanese Audiences, will be Revealed in 2021 and scheduled for release in early 2022.

>Sony has already signed with Kojima Productions and Bluepoint for acquisition, Announcement in December.
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Tales from my ass confirmed
 
Dabaus said:
TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
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TLOU ain't no Fairy Tale.
In real life people die easily, TLOU ain't no different.
What makes the people so special that they can't die?
Just like in real life, you lose close ones. I see no difference in TLOU.
 
For the record, im not saying believe the 4 chan leak. But for the people dismissing it because of what
HAL-01 said:
Ok so just say you hate TLOU2 and go, no need to post obviously fake leaks to try to get people to agree with you


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One month of sales with the drop off collapsing 2 months later isnt good. It means the word of mouth has been atrocious, and anyone paying attention to TLOU2 couldve seen that coming from a mile away.
 
Guy im not saying the 4chan leak is gospel, or even true, but the last of us 2 being a disappointment to sony is probably the most realistic thing on there. Weird hill to die if your going to dismiss that litst.
 
Dabaus said:
TLOU2 will be lucky to sell 15 million when its all said and done and thats with heavy discounts. The first one was a beloved adventure, the sequel is SJW Propaganda where you kill off characters you play as from the first one. Its not going to light up the charts, especially with new consoles and actual games to play on them coming soon.
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No, the sequel was the victim of one of the most intense smear campaigns I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing. The game had its faults, but the relentless attack on it by some of the most ignorant (or trolls maybe) people I've seen on the net, blew wayyyy out of proportion to the games faults and truly caused the most damage to this games reputation.

You couldn't have an intelligent conversation about it without some guy screaming about it. Truly pathetic.
 
Dabaus said:
For the record, im not saying believe the 4 chan leak. But for the people dismissing it because of what


One month of sales with the drop off collapsing 2 months later isnt good. It means the word of mouth has been atrocious, and anyone paying attention to TLOU2 couldve seen that coming from a mile away.
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Yeah sure, let's see who win GOTY this year.
 
Dabaus said:
Some 4chan rumors I saw someone post. I dont believe 4 chan rumors but with everything going on i wouldnt be surprised if someone at sony was feeling disgruntled and deiced to spill the beans.


>Kenichiro Yoshida has been extremely frustrated with Jim Ryan, from the censorship policy that nearly tarnished the playstation image among japenese developers to TLOU2 financial failure, the PS5 surprised preorder as well as Undermining the Xbox Gamepass (when PS5 games are 70$) was the final straw to Jim's Position.

>Jim Ryan will Step down before March 2021, with Shuhei Yoshida Taking Over as the Head of Playstation, his First Priority would be to Reverse the Censorship Policy (in Japan at least, to fix the PR image among Japanese devs), as well as Merging PS+ and PSNow Under a single Umbrella to Counter the Xbox Game Pass.

>TLOU2 was a Financial failure, the announced budget was 100M$, but it was more than that, closer to 150-200M$ because of Covid-19, The Game Delay from May to June, as well as Sony Paying the Game Journalists to give it high scores (mostly to undermine the Leaks by the now Former Naughty Dog Employee), the game is selling for 20$> at major retailers.

>Naughty Dog is being reconstructed, with lower crunch time after the Leaks from the Mistreated Employee, Niel Druckmann is in Talks with Amy Hennings to patch things up, their next project (FPS) will have a Limited budget compared to their previous titles (LOUS2 still behind Break-Even).

>The Silent Hill Rumors are True, it Will Be Reveled in TGA 2020, Sony Tried to Purchase the IPs (Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill) around 2017 for 1.5B$ but Konami Rejected the Offer, wanted at least 3B$ which is too high for such properties.

>Sony Knew about the Microsoft/Zenimax acquisition Talks since 2019, they Offered 3.5 Billion for Zenimax but Microsoft Undercuts them around January with 7.5B$, thats why they Secured for two timed exclusives Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo (The PS5 Starfield Time Exclusive Situation had nothing to do with the acquisition, Todd Shut Down the Offer Himself).

>GOW2 is no Where near a Presentable State, it Will Skip TGA2020 (which is why Silent Hill Reveal Was Delayed), there's a high change it would be Delayed to 2022 even with crunch time, will have a timeskip and Atreus/Loki is Bisexual.

• >Japan Studio AAA Sci-Fi Adventure (Codenamed Rayspace) Was in Development Hell, the game started Development since 2015 for the PS4, and it was almost canceled in 2018 until Shuhei Yoshida stepped in himself, Moving the Development to the PS5 Developed by Tsutomu Kouno, will Feature Gundam Style Characters to Appeal to the Japanese Audiences, will be Revealed in 2021 and scheduled for release in early 2022.

>Sony has already signed with Kojima Productions and Bluepoint for acquisition, Announcement in December.
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In what logical universe does the budget (and they mean cost not budget...) double just because of COVID? In development for years but apparently blew $100m in just a couple of months when COVID arrived...
 
I am completely lost in this thread... what 4chan rumors, why is tlou 2 being discussed??
And for the last time, that tweet is referring to Forza Horizon 3 in bc mode, FH4 is getting an 4k/60fps patch.
 
Dabaus said:
Guy im not saying the 4chan leak is gospel, or even true, but the last of us 2 being a disappointment to sony is probably the most realistic thing on there. Weird hill to die if your going to dismiss that litst.
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You can believe whatever you want, just stop derailing the thread with tlou talk
 
TheGreatWhiteShark said:
Fallout 4 made ~3.00.000 sales during launch period on ps4s , when there where ~40million ps4s already sold.
Lets say StarField launches next holidays.
You'd be looking at 10-15million ps5s , and with the ratio of ps4 sales that would be 800.000 to 1.200.000 copies, meaning sales $50mil to $80mil gross, a.k.a PEANUTS
Nadella will probably decapitate anyone that fool inside microsoft to make such a STUPID suggestion, even if figures were quadrupled
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I'd have to agree. Obviously, MS's biggest play in gaming at the moment is GP, thus, they will probably be looking for a ROI from the Bethesda deal via growth in subscriptions. The Xbox and PC sales would just be on top of that. But they did continue to leave MC on every platform available, so, anything is possible.
 
kyliethicc said:
Its funny how Nintendo created their A, B, X, Y buttons.

Sony created their cross, circle, square, triangle buttons.

Then Microsoft, Google, and now Amazon just lazily copied Nintendo.

Lacks creativity. This just looks like an Xbox controller. LT, LB, etc. Lifeless.
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How inaccurate. Sega copied Nintendo and MS copied Sega. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Dabaus said:
For the record, im not saying believe the 4 chan leak. But for the people dismissing it because of what


One month of sales with the drop off collapsing 2 months later isnt good. It means the word of mouth has been atrocious, and anyone paying attention to TLOU2 couldve seen that coming from a mile away.
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It will most likely reach 10 million within a year. That's far from a failure.

If the Last of Us Multiplayer is still released, then that's only going to being in more revenue if its as popular as the first one.

Sony charged you to purchase weapons for TLOU 1 MP and I bet that brought in very little revenue. If this multiplayer has customizations similar to uncharted 4's multiplayer, then I can see it bringing in more revenue than their top PS4 exclusives this gen.
 
I can't believe we are litigating TLOU2 sales in a next-gen thread. The game did great by the numbers. If you are going to attack the game for anything it would be that it was viewed as offensive to some of the PS4 user-base (which is silly to start with).
 
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