Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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LiquidRex said:
But wouldn't a Teardown resolve this once and for all... We still don't know how much of the PS5 architecture has the potential of being RDNA 3, and if this effects the CU's compare to XSX... From what I understand the RT is handled differently on the PS5 compared to the XSX 🤔
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I keep saying this to people but you and all the others talking about it don't really want a tear down. You want a tech interview with Cerny.

Sony's tear downs are boring vids of a guy dismantling it completely without conveying any information...
 
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Hi. Been lurking around in this thread for a while. Sorry if this was already discussed. Does anyone know if PS4 games being shipped with free PS5 upgrades will install the upgrade without asking automatically once the disc is put in a PS5? Reason I am asking is because afaik the PS5 does only support the old PS4 controller when PS4 games are played. So I wonder what happens in this scenario: I plan to buy a game like Sackboy Big adventures for my PS4. This game says it does includes the upgrade to PS5 version. Does that mean that once I use the game on a PS5, and the upgraded version is being installed automatically, I cannot use my old PS4 controllers anymore? This would be bad, as the game does support coop (up to 4 players I believe). And this would mean I would need to buy some additional Dual Sense Controllers to continue playing coop on PS5.
 
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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
so you really think a 36 CU 10.28TF unit will be "more performant" than a 52 CU 12.15TF unit

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Most definitely, if the 10.26TF unit is more efficient and draws more power from the wall under heavy computational load. For anyone that's studied digital electronics and/or physics, that's as expected as you failing to make a counter argument to my last point :)

/Feel free to have a 2nd go at responding to my previous post - but with a mature response next time - to explain how you can switch states of more transistors per second (on the same lithography and APU technology roadmap) without drawing more power - obviously I'm not limiting those transistors to floating point units.
 
PaintTinJr said:
Most definitely, if the 10.26TF unit is more efficient and draws more power from the wall under heavy computational load. For anyone that's studied digital electronics and/or physics, that's as expected as you failing to make a counter argument to my last point :)

/Feel free to have a 2nd go at responding to my previous post - but with a mature response next time - to explain how you can switch states of more transistors per second (on the same lithography and APU technology roadmap) without drawing more power - obviously I'm not limiting those transistors to floating point units.
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Secret Sauce comming
 
PaintTinJr said:
Most definitely, if the 10.26TF unit is more efficient and draws more power from the wall under heavy computational load. For anyone that's studied digital electronics and/or physics, that's as expected as you failing to make a counter argument to my last point :)

/Feel free to have a 2nd go at responding to my previous post - but with a mature response next time - to explain how you can switch states of more transistors per second (on the same lithography and APU technology roadmap) without drawing more power - obviously I'm not limiting those transistors to floating point units.
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It's 10.28TFs not 10.26TFs

Reported!!!!!!

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sircaw said:
Nothing wrong with having a MacDonalds now and again, i do like there choc milkshakes a lot too.
Plus a sausage and egg McMuffin does me for a morning of hard graft.

In the end, whatever you like, it's your choice, let no one tell you differently.

Even me "lollipop_disappointed:
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You're too hard on yourself.

Filet-O-Fish for everyone!
 
PaintTinJr said:
Most definitely, if the 10.26TF unit is more efficient and draws more power from the wall under heavy computational load. For anyone that's studied digital electronics and/or physics, that's as expected as you failing to make a counter argument to my last point :)

/Feel free to have a 2nd go at responding to my previous post - but with a mature response next time - to explain how you can switch states of more transistors per second (on the same lithography and APU technology roadmap) without drawing more power - obviously I'm not limiting those transistors to floating point units.
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as "anyone that's studied digital electronics and/or physics" you should at the very least have known that consumption has a cube relation to frequency.
in fact I have written some stuff about this in the past here, but since you sound so sure and authoritative, how about putting some money where your "knowledgeable" mouth is?


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and about the food analogies I saw above, I remember Yamauchi's own analogies about wristwatches. like, grand turismo was the rolex, and forza was the cheap casio calculator or something... see how that analogy worked out for him...
 
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New poster ( not alt account). I always love booting up a new console for the first time and just browsing the UI then playing some game you would never have bought normally, but wanted to see what new machine can do. Really looking forward to seeing how fast PS5 is to move through ui and get into a game. Hopefully blazing fast.

By the way, before being able to post, always enjoyed Sircaws humor, Bowens positivity, and Geordie and Heisenbergfx4's knowledge. Others too (even XBox guys but I have never owned one).
 
jamwest24 said:
I mean, 10-bit to 12-bit color is still a substantial jump. With 10-bit color, you get 1,024 shades of each primary color, and over a billion possible color. With 12-bit, that's 4,096 shades and over 68 billion colors.
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Yeah but its so far away from being needed or used commonly.

The goal over the next generation should be to get most console gamers playing on PS5/XSX and using HDMI 2.1 TVs, with full and accurate P3 color, with 500+ nits brightness HDR10, and with 120 Hz refresh and VRR.

That's already a stretch goal lol.

Dolby Vision is a pipe dream for the next 5-7 years. Just like most gamers won't be using Dolby Atmos speakers.

A/V sources (game devs) won't fell obligated to focus on the ultra high end specs of A/V until the bottom end has been raised up sufficiently high.

Plus most Dolby Vision TVs today can't even get bright enough or use any 12 bit sources, so its a bit of a wasted standard currently.

"This is part of the reason why HDR10, and 10-bit color (the HLG standard also uses 10 bits) is capped at outputting 1k nits of brightness, maximum, instead of 10k nits of brightness like Dolby Vision does. Without pushing the brightness range a lot, you can keep apparent banding to a minimum. In fact, with today's panels' limited brightness and color range, which leads to limited brightness and color content, very few people can notice the difference between 12-bit and 10-bit signals."

"First, should you worry about the more limited color and brightness range of HDR10 and 10-bit color? The answer right now is no, don't worry too much about it. Getting much beyond 1k nits in an HDR display simply isn't doable right now. Nor can most any display go beyond the smaller P3 gamut. And because a lot of content is mastered and transmitted in 10-bit color, 12-bit color hardware isn't going to do much for you today anyway."

www.tomshardware.com

What Is 10-Bit (And 12-Bit) Color?

So, 10-bit color: It's important and new, but...what is it?
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com
 
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Zadom said:
New poster ( not alt account). I always love booting up a new console for the first time and just browsing the UI then playing some game you would never have bought normally, but wanted to see what new machine can do. Really looking forward to seeing how fast PS5 is to move through ui and get into a game. Hopefully blazing fast.

By the way, before being able to post, always enjoyed Sircaws humor, Bowens positivity, and Geordie and Heisenbergfx4's knowledge. Others too (even XBox guys but I have never owned one).
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Welcome.

Please don't encourage sircaw sircaw though. If he gets over excited we all have to sing Taylor Swift songs at him to calm him down.
 
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BlueXImpulse said:
Precisely. More efficient usage of RAM is the benefit. It's just that more efficient usage of RAM is directly tied to what I have bolded in red. That warm/hot data you speak of will allow the player to explore the world at a much faster, less restricted pace because you don't have to worry about the player running into an unloaded section because you can always load just in time.

I chuckle whenever I hear people say that the SSD won't help with graphics. The SSD won't make the GPU more powerful, but it will allow for more efficient usage of RAM, which will allow for higher quality textures and assets which will be perceived by your eye as "better graphics".
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We really need to ask ourselves what do we even mean by "better graphics"? it could be referring to multiple things including high quality and high resolution textures, higher density polygon/triangle assets, higher overall resolution and real time dynamic/bounce lighting, the first three benefit greatly from a ultra high bandwidth I/O as we've learned in recent months.

Interesting that when Mark Cerny's talk was released, so many people were shitting on the SSD and how it won't improve graphics, I don't blame them to an extent, not a lot of us knew how it would impact game design until things like the UE5 demo was released as well as reports from developers and actual PS5 gameplay. I believe the best is still yet to be seen.
 
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DaGwaphics said:
Let me get this right. You have a problem with MS because games aren't the way that you imagine them to be beforehand?

People have been saying that MS needs to up the quantity of AAA games coming out of first-party since forever, they made a move to do that. And now that's a problem too?
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They made a move? What move? Creating new studios to do decent games? Or buying others who made multiplataform products?
 
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Zadom said:
New poster ( not alt account). I always love booting up a new console for the first time and just browsing the UI then playing some game you would never have bought normally, but wanted to see what new machine can do. Really looking forward to seeing how fast PS5 is to move through ui and get into a game. Hopefully blazing fast.

By the way, before being able to post, always enjoyed Sircaws humor, Bowens positivity, and Geordie and Heisenbergfx4's knowledge. Others too (even XBox guys but I have never owned one).
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Welcome, and i don't know why BUT I REALLY LIKE EWE.

finally, I have a fan. :messenger_smiling_hearts:
 
sircaw said:
Any fish death is needless. well, actually i can think of one candidate. "lollipop_disappointed:
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Aren't Great Whites an endangered species?

edit: just checked, they are listed as "Vulnerable".

Regardless, I think I'm going to hunt one with an oxygen tank and a rifle, and fillet me up some steaks. Don't worry, the boat is big enough. (edit: Millennials will miss the reference.)
 
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VargasPaPuM said:
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It is becoming increasingly clear to me that bethesda games will be released on PS5. It seems that they bought Zenimax with some clause about bethesda that does not allow them to absorb it in their own studies and is relegated to collaborations.

But they will tell us later ... Marketing geniuses but they are seeing the duster before their time.
 
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dotnotbot said:
Read the comments and Xbox fans complaining about media never saying anything positive about Xbox. 'Besieged fortress' syndrome at its finest.
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I didn't read -or care for- the comments, I only wanted to post what Phil said for the dis-believers,
but the absolute truth here is that if sony had bought bethesda, any "journalist" that would dare question the absolute exclusivability to playstation,
he would be doxxed and swatted within minutes by sony fans :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_smiling_horns:
 
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sircaw said:
Any fish death is needless. well, actually i can think of one candidate. "lollipop_disappointed:
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Kerlurk said:
Aren't Great Whites an endangered species?

edit: just checked, they are listed as "Vulnerable".

Regardless, I think I'm going to hunt one with an oxygen tank and a rifle, and fillet me up some steaks. Don't worry, I have a big boat.
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kerkluk, I dont think we've had the pleasure?
ignore list, meet kerkul
kerluk meet my ignore list
 
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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
kerkluk, I dont think we've had the pleasure?
ignore list, meet kerkul
kerluk meet my ignore list
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I'm surprised you don't remember our "discussion".

Spelling my name differently every single time!

Never mind your ignore list, I think the Great White is about to be put on the endangered list. 🤣
 
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Kerlurk said:
I'm surprised you don't remember our "discussion".

Spelling my name differently every single time!

Never mind your ignore list, I think the Great White is about to be put on the endangered list.
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Dude just brings nothing but negativity. Laments about Sony fanboys while singing constant praises of Xbox and Phil specifically. Place him on your ignore list as well. Best not feed chum to the sharks.
 
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Anchovie123 said:
I think the next big cycle of Bethesda games will end up on PS5, however after that i think they will be Xbox & PC only.

Just a guess.
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I can't see that. If I was MS and I want people on XBOX or PC, and I want them on Gamepass, I lock these games to those platforms.

This next part is just me saying it for the sake of it, but I can't see it happening:
If I really wanted people on Gamepass, I lock things to those platforms and make those games accessible only via Gamespass.
 
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