Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Zoro7 said:
Power ranger suit doesn't have a zip. Fraud!
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SlimySnake said:
yes. I brought this up a few weeks ago after the hot chips presentation where this was first revealed.

Back then richard looked at the xsx gpu diagram provided by MS, and it looked identical to RDNA 1.0.

So both XSX and PS5 are rdna 1.0 GPUs with rt and other rdna 2.0 features bolted on. I suspect RDNA 2.0 itself is basically rdna 1.0 with features bolted on but the fact that its releasing so close to consoles means it might have newer features and more architecture changes because unlike console GPUs which had to go in production by spring, RDNA 2.0 desktop GPUs didnt need to go into production until just a couple of months ago.
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But the speeds of the ps5's gpu are sky-high 2.2 or something that is not achievable on rdna 1.
 
On Demand said:
That's with Xbox I/O hardware, not PS5. The PS5 SSD addresses every bottleneck related to that. It's like people still don't get Cerny's road to PS5 presentation where he talks about this. 100x faster SSD is exactly what the PS5 does.



Keep up man

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Kena: Bridge Of Spirits Loads In Just Two Seconds On PS5

Kena: Bridge Of Spirits loads so quickly on the PlayStation 5 that you can’t even see the opening animation.
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I will just say this.

Remember that ND and SSM were making games on PS3 with no install on disk while the games has no loading, in an era where most games need some GB install and those games had loading times.
 
SlimySnake said:
I have watched Cerny's conference so many times, i might as well have a PHD in it.

What we are telling you is that loading a game isnt the same as loading a console OS. And Kena is a cross gen game. Lets just wait and see. No need to start sucking each others dicks just yet.
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You're all over the place.

Why are you singling out the OS? I'm talking games, OS, everything.

So what if Kena is cross gen. SX is showing a bunch of XB1 games loading and you rebuttal with that? You said PS5 can't do 1 to 2 seconds loading, i show you exactly that and you respond with another excuse.
 
Insane Metal said:
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Quick Resume puts you straight back into the game - the system itself simply acts as though you've pressed the pause button. Interestingly though, I did note that the 6.5 second loading times I saw at Microsoft HQ back in March are now around 12 to 20 seconds. It's true that I was using different games, mind you, but as great as it is, it's not quite as immediate as it felt during my time at the Redmond mothership.
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Weird.
 
SlimySnake said:
nah it should. thats what Cerny was talking about when he said the boost mode will have access to both the gpu and cpu clocks. thats how sekiro is 60 fps on x1x because while they locked the resolution, they didnt lock the framerate at 30 fps. which means it can go to 60 fps.

the 2080 can run pretty much everything at 120 fps at 1440p max settings. flight sim and other next gen games are a different story, but if these pro and x1x patches had a 1080p mode with unlocked framerate, you would easily see framerates go upto 120 fps.
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But is not, your code many times is tied to a limit of framerate, that is why you can find games in PC with a limit of framerate is more
complex to just left your game unlock if was so simple you always see titles with total unlock framerate limit reaching number higher than 240 hz
in the benchmarks.

Probably you think all the process in a game should be not tied to a framerate, is true but is also true in fighting game is much more easier to tweek
the combos per frame specially when you art only can give 60 frames per second and the interpolation could be not so good as you want.

The resolution in other hand could be done more easily if you dynamic resolution is well done but the problem still there like your textures, you don't
want your texture 2k is displayed in a 8K monitor because is your work and you don't want to show in that way is not decision of the player is
something a dev decide.

All those competitive games you see in the market or games like the last Doom were created thinking in order to reach a higher framerate but that doesn't
mean is something you check in your settings require more work than that.
 
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Killer Sakoman said:
They said their console is BC with 1000s of games already running. Xbox fanboys trashed Sony all this time for stating that the majority 99% are working on PS5.
It turned out that Sony who doesn't market BC have better BC than Xbox.

All the FUD spread around Sony turned out the other way around 10X 😂.
So far
It's Xbox that isn't ready for next gen
It's Xbox that spent $750m x10 😂
It's xbox that so far cannot do ray tracing
It's Xbox that isn't fully BC

And I am afraid it is gonna be xbox that will run multiplat games worse than PS5 ( people can go ahead and bookmark my post ) 🤣.
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Microsoft are the KINGS OF SPIN.

I mean you got to give them some credit, they are bullshitting and buying their way to good publicity.

Sony got absolute roasted on these forums months back for the exact same things, now people don't even care if they have new games. I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Ok that's a lie, there was that one scene in Bagdad airport with the general saying everything was ok, when the Americans were landing lol.
 
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FunkMiller said:
If I have an observation about the gaming media, it's how meekly they just tow the company line, instead of interrogating the important questions we all have over these very expensive pieces of hardware that the manufacturers want us to buy.

Why isn't good old Richard writing a piece on how bad it is that Msft haven't shown us any new game footage six weeks from launch, instead of just describing backwards compatibility as 'phenomenal'? It bloody should be Richard, it's a fucking powerful next gen machine. Equally, someone - anyone - in the games press should probably be asking Sony why there's been no sign whatsoever of real live consoles out in the wild, a mere seven weeks from launch.

To quote The Joker in The Dark Knight: what happened? did your balls drop off?
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Another Batman analogy here: there's an episode in "Gotham" where Victor Zsasz steps in the police precinct, sending out 50 cops cause he wanted to take Jim Gordon with him. And every damned cop stepped out some in fear, and some cause they were on the payroll.

This is what happens here, the news outlets are fearful of not getting the juicy bits anymore (free merchandise, invitations to different events, news scoops etc) or because some are on the take. It's exactly like the whole press out there, no one is asking the hard questions because it's not worth it for them.

And this goes both for Sony AND Microsoft, each of them are giants, and no one dares step out of line.
 
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On Demand said:
You're all over the place.

Why are you singling out the OS? I'm talking games, OS, everything.

So what if Kena is cross gen. SX is showing a bunch of XB1 games loading and you rebuttal with that? You said PS5 can't do 1 to 2 seconds loading, i show you exactly that and you respond with another excuse.
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I was replying to this post of yours which FranXico quoted. included everything.

It's going to get very ugly when see how much more faster the PS5 SSD is. Boot up, dashboard, games. Everything.
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All we are saying is dont brag. The OS isnt just loading the data from ssd to vram, it needs to do a lot more than that.

I am not saying that the ps5 wont load lightning fast. In fact, ive pointed out that the xsx bottelneck might be the last gen bloated OS they are reusing. I am just piggying back on what Franxico said, lets not brag just yet. So far we have seen two games optimized on the PS5 and zero on the XSX. so any comparison will need to wait.
 
Nickolaidas said:
First of all, I don't game like that. I usually boot one game, play half an hour or just one hour, turn the console off and do something else. The switching isn't something I'll really use.

Second, no it's not the end of the world, but it *is* disappointing. It's going to be funny to see Bloodborne taking 10 seconds to load while Demon's Souls will boot in like, 3 seconds.
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But it also works when you switch off your console I think. At least if you put it in "sleep" mode
 
SlimySnake said:
yes. I brought this up a few weeks ago after the hot chips presentation where this was first revealed.

Back then richard looked at the xsx gpu diagram provided by MS, and it looked identical to RDNA 1.0.

So both XSX and PS5 are rdna 1.0 GPUs with rt and other rdna 2.0 features bolted on. I suspect RDNA 2.0 itself is basically rdna 1.0 with features bolted on but the fact that its releasing so close to consoles means it might have newer features and more architecture changes because unlike console GPUs which had to go in production by spring, RDNA 2.0 desktop GPUs didnt need to go into production until just a couple of months ago.
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If anything, the leaked PC parts arrangement with 4 shader arrays of 10 cU looks ,like ps5. And big navi leak looks like 2 x ps5.

Notice the leaks, there is only 40 and 80 CU mentioned. Odd.

Where is the GPU in the middle ?
 
Insane Metal said:
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why not take his conclusion? Why some out of context text passage? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?
But that's where I am with Xbox Series X backwards compatibility - and I'm hugely impressed by the results.



The boost to system performance compared to Xbox One X is clearly tremendous and I'm liking Microsoft's commitment to the Xbox library and putting so much resource into producing results like the ones I've detailed today. Right now, I think that Series X back-compat delivers circa 2x GPU power, limited perhaps a touch by memory bandwidth, and offers what amounts to a bottomless pit of CPU resources to the point where I don't feel I hit processor limits at all during my tests.



The fact that Microsoft is talking about 4x resolution multipliers and double frame-rate upgrades says to me that the firm knows there's something special here - and I really want to see these features deployed as broadly as possible. The dream would be to see frame-rate unlocking as a system level feature, just as Auto HDR is.
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geordiemp said:
If anything, the leaked PC parts arrangement with 4 shader arrays of 10 cU looks ,like ps5. And big navi leak looks like 2 x ps5.

Notice the leaks, there is only 40 and 80 CU mentioned. Odd.

Where is the GPU in the middle ?
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its definitely odd. I am not sure whats going on with rdna 2.0 and this 56 CU gpu seems to something custom MS commissioned because they wanted the most powerful console crown.

I have my doubts about performance scaling 1:1 as you go above 2.0 ghz in rdna cards, but tbh, I am not convinced that the performance will scale 1:1 with extra CUs as well, and the fact that AMD might not be releasing a 56-60 mid range GPU is leading credence to that theory.

We will see whats going on with RDNA 2.0 soon enough.
 
xacto said:
Another Batman analogy here: there's an episode in "Gotham" where Victor Zsasz steps in the police precinct, sending out 50 cops cause he wanted to take Jim Gordon with him. And every damned cop stepped out some in fear, and some cause they were on the payroll.

This is what happens here, the news outlets are fearful of not getting the juicy bits anymore (free merchandise, invitations to different events, news scoops etc) or because some are on the take. It's exactly like the whole press out there, no one is asking the hard questions because it's not worth it for them.

And this goes both for Sony AND Microsoft, each of them are giants, and no one dares step out of line.
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Take note good people of NeoGaf:

Make clever Batman references in your replies to me, and I will agree with what you say, NO MATTER WHAT IT MIGHT BE.
 
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xacto said:
Another Batman analogy here: there's an episode in "Gotham" where Victor Zsasz steps in the police precinct, sending out 50 cops cause he wanted to take Jim Gordon with him. And every damned cop stepped out some in fear, and some cause they were on the payroll.

This is what happens here, the news outlets are fearful of not getting the juicy bits anymore (free merchandise, invitations to different events, news scoops etc) or because some are on the take. It's exactly like the whole press out there, no one is asking the hard questions because it's not worth it for them.

And this goes both for Sony AND Microsoft, each of them are giants, and no one dares step out of line.
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Same shit happened with Red dead redemption 2, all those " game journos" worried about loosing their little goodie bags of treats and special screening if they dared criticize anything.

It a dirty part of the business and these companies are knee fucking deep in it.
 
Kerlurk said:
Anyway who cold boots their consoles???
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Umm ... I do? I mean, I turn off all my devices when I leave for work or go to sleep because I have lost one too many devices due to power shortages during thunderstorms or problems with the electricity company which short circuited them. A friend of mine's TV literally got fried due to lightning causing a power shortage.

Besides, why keep the device in sleep mode and still having it consuming power (albeit much less)? I feel like I'm shortening the machine's lifespan by doing so.

CrysisFreak said:
Wait what One X is over a minute to cold boot? Jeez.
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Yeah, it's horrendous. I actually turn on my xbox while I'm on the pc and switch the tv to X-Box after 2-3 minutes to make sure I won't waste time looking at the logo.
 
Orky said:
why not take his conclusion? Why some out of context text passage? Because it doesn't fit your narrative?
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Waht are you talking about? I specifically edited the post like a few seconds later with the info regarding the use of the GPU. Calm your tits.

Edit: I hadn't even read the whole thing as I posted just a few seconds after they posted it.
 
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Kerlurk said:
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So, does that mean the we Europeans get a shot at blowing up the forum (which ever way) before you Americans? I am cool with that :D
 
Mr Moose said:
4x resolution multipliers compared to what?
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Well 1080p to 4K is a 4 x resolution multiplier. Isn't that just what we would expect from old gen games on new consoles? Especially given that many games were 4K or pretty damn close to it on the OneX.

Also, given that many XBO games are sub-1080p and prior gens even less, is this even remarkable?
 
SlimySnake said:
its definitely odd. I am not sure whats going on with rdna 2.0 and this 56 CU gpu seems to something custom MS commissioned because they wanted the most powerful console crown.

I have my doubts about performance scaling 1:1 as you go above 2.0 ghz in rdna cards, but tbh, I am not convinced that the performance will scale 1:1 with extra CUs as well, and the fact that AMD might not be releasing a 56-60 mid range GPU is leading credence to that theory.

We will see whats going on with RDNA 2.0 soon enough.
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Pc parts also rumoured to have ps5 clocks....go figure....

Colour me surprised
 
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I've searched, and have not found this posted yet in this thread, or maybe my searching skills suck.

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Maneater
4K 60 fps
Ray Tracing
DualSense controller support
 
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Guys where the fuck is the HB2 and Elden Ring info? No leaks? No new trailers? No disgruntled employees to spoil something? Give me something it's been over a year (and no I don't count that Xbox July show behind the scenes with the actors and devs. Show the game)
 
So to wrap things up in a nice little Bo, "lollipop_disappointed: sorry bud, equal opportunity offender.

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T Thrash gaming my n@gger dude no 55 is going to make a video( that is going to be interesting)


Got a white empty console box that is empty but some dildo from England is trying to use it as a walkie talkie. He says it's beautiful and well designed and looks great when sitting flat though.

Load times come in, a lot of people are disappointed with them. of course, there are some who say it's like watching Jesus on water skies. Media outlets also say its wonderful. ( will check digital foundry shelves latter for any new silicon chips or boxes that appear in their desks or shelves

No new games are shown, but don't worry that's not important.
A cold boot of 20 secs, the guy from ign pretending its a lot less?

Things that Sony got crucified 3 months ago are now ok for Microsoft 6 weeks from launch.

SlimySnake SlimySnake still thinks everything is rdna1
 
Mister Knister said:
Hi. Been lurking around in this thread for a while. Sorry if this was already discussed. Does anyone know if PS4 games being shipped with free PS5 upgrades will install the upgrade without asking automatically once the disc is put in a PS5? Reason I am asking is because afaik the PS5 does only support the old PS4 controller when PS4 games are played. So I wonder what happens in this scenario: I plan to buy a game like Sackboy Big adventures for my PS4. This game says it does includes the upgrade to PS5 version. Does that mean that once I use the game on a PS5, and the upgraded version is being installed automatically, I cannot use my old PS4 controllers anymore? This would be bad, as the game does support coop (up to 4 players I believe). And this would mean I would need to buy some additional Dual Sense Controllers to continue playing coop on PS5. Also, are there any differences to the "native" PS5 version?
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Sony has yet to clearly discuss how they are handling both Sackboy and other cross-gen titles. Have they updated their blog with any additional info regarding this? And there has been no new trailers for Destruction All stars showing what the gameplay is about. Apparently their twitter is also silent after Sept 17.

Due to Microsoft deal with Sega on Yakuza, Yakuza loyal playstation fanbase who supported them from PS2 onwards are getting shafted.
 
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Insane Metal said:
That's still a lot more than PS5 will have, probably something like 700GB... maybe less.
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Yeah its 100 GB more. Not the end of the world for PS5 buyers, but its great that the Series X has more free space than the One X.

Its the only next gen console that is increasing free space compared to current gen.
 
geordiemp said:
Pc parts also rumoured to have ps5 clocks....go figure....

Colour me surprised
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thats also very curious. so the ps5 is basically using the same rdna 2.0 card that AMD themselves are pitching to desktop owners.

of course with slightly higher clocks and 4 more CUs.
 
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