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[Md Ray]

And I've asked you to show me one single game that can't run on PC, due to direct storage not being deployed yet. You haven't been able to do so.

I'll show you if you can show me a single game that went from 25+ seconds to load on HDD to 1-2 seconds when switching to NVMe on PC. You haven't been able to do so.

You should read a thing or two.

You should take your own advice and start with the dev's quote first, nice and slow this time: Well, the key word there is beneficial and I think it will be very much so. Faster read access doesn't just allow for faster loading times, but also faster asset streaming. So that not only seems to promise more content in the environment but potentially more varied content as large assets such as high resolution textures and geometry are able to be paged in and out more rapidly.

And this: DirectStorage is coming to PC | DirectX Developer Blog (microsoft.com)

And watch this:



There's nothing wrong with acknowledging you were wrong and moving on.

EDIT:
DonJuanSchlong If you had actually read a thing or two about DS - you wouldn't have posted something like this that makes you look dumb:

Loading is the new SSD apparently. And that is the only thing that is important in games. Well there it is boys, let's pack it up.

In that dev blog post I linked above, the first thing or rather the first advantage Microsoft talks about that DS will bring to the table is the "vastly reduced load times".

"but...but..memory!!"

 

[clintar]

DirectX 12 Ultimate is going to accelerate the adoption of cutting edge graphics features in games because development platforms are not fragmented. With DirectX 12 Ultimate I know that I can adopt new graphics features immediately and that they will work in PC and Xbox games.​

Chris Larson - COO, Hi-Rez Studios and GM/EP of Rogue Company

Not my words obviously but a far more reliable source, I thought it was obvious with DirectX 12 Ultimate unifying PC and Xbox development platform.

ok, can you answer my question, though? What do graphics features have to do with this?

 

[FranXico]

And I've asked you to show me one single game that can't run on PC, due to direct storage not being deployed yet. You haven't been able to do so. Don't get me wrong, I welcome the tech wholeheartedly, as it will be useful. But it's not like PC's are crippled because of its absence right now.

Games are not designed around system capabilities that are absent.

That's like saying "well duh, games have never used 3D cards before and worked just fine!" back when graphics cards first came out.

 

[MadPanda]

I mean it kind of has it with a super fast NVME and modern PC. Just put the PC in standby with the game running and it'll save that state for when you come back. Just don't try it with some online server connected game lol

That's no quick resume. What you're describing has been available on Xbox one and PS4 too.

 

[Negotiator101]

ok, can you answer my question, though? What do graphics features have to do with this?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, it's been explained to you if you don't understand I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Soodanim]

Next thread needs to have a reminder of what these fast access technologies actually do, because most of this thread is arguments over not knowing how it works and what the benefits are.

I’m looking forward to this being standard everywhere, because we’ve already seen the results in some games (Spider-Man, R&C are good examples). Once there’s no more developing to account for systems without it, we’ll all be better off. That might take a while on PC though, given how wide the spread is and how slow adoption can be.

If we’re lucky eventually they’ll lean into developing with the technology in mind, and everyone else gets a loading pause like in Half-Life 2 when you hit a new area.

 

[captainraincoat]

I spent a year hearing about the mindblowing revolutionary wonders of SSD on console.
So far they have translated to: Faster loading.

Careful you will turn this into a Ratchet and Clank thread.....will be even worse when they announce the ps4 version

 

[Negotiator101]

Careful you will turn this into a Ratchet and Clank thread.....will be even worse when they announce the ps4 version

It was only ever going to be faster loading at a higher fidelity, but using that faster loading in interesting ways like Ratchet is clever but still only loading things faster.

 

[Shmunter]

Exactly what I've been saying since...forever. But some people including DonJuanSchlong want to argue that having "more memory" is the solution to this which is laughable.

DonJuanSchlong let me remind you that these two posts of mine regarding DirectStorage and RTX IO shut you up and you haven't responded to me since:



Now I'll let 4A Game's senior rendering programmer do the talking.

I really wouldn’t bother with this user. You won’t ever be able to win on facts or logic, it will just go in circles.

I cucked him into slipping and admitting he’s paid to post fud on Sony in a different thread. Likely sitting in some 3rd world shitposting sweatshop getting caned while doing everything on his script to turn the tide against Sony. Not sure how he’s keeping this shit job with the 0/10 performance, lol.

One of these has recently been stripped of their influence and just like that, they are nowhere to be seen, worked as a team in all Sony threads, dumb and dumber.

 

[Negotiator101]

I really wouldn’t bother with this user. You won’t ever be able to win on facts or logic, it will just go in circles.

I cucked him into slipping and admitting he’s paid to post fud on Sony in a different thread. Likely sitting in some 3rd world shitposting sweatshop getting caned while doing everything on his script to turn the tide against Sony. Not sure how he’s keeping this shit job with the 0/10 performance, lol.

One of these has recently been stripped of their influence and just like that, they are nowhere to be seen, worked as a team in all Sony threads, dumb and dumber.

What? Pretty sure this is sarcasm at least I hope it is.

 

[Shmunter]

What? Pretty sure this is sarcasm at least I hope it is.

I wish it were…surprised he hasn’t take it down. Guess it’s too late after being quoted….

“I'd much rather be a cunt than clueless as fuck and a volunteer cheerleader. At least I get paid to do what I do.”

Ghost of Tsushima removes Only on PlayStation logo on box art (PC version incoming?)

Makes sense, business wise. Games sale a lot in the first months then fade, release first on console, wait a years release on pc. I bet even console version will see a boost in sales.

www.neogaf.com

 

[captainraincoat]

It was only ever going to be faster loading at a higher fidelity, but using that faster loading in interesting ways like Ratchet is clever but still only loading things faster.

I agree but there are some folks that instead of pornhub they sit down at their desk and rewatch mark cerny and the road to ps5 preso and pleasure themselves not realising like most pc gamers have for the past 10 years of ssds being mainstream that the only real benefits you get are loading times and it’s his job as well as others to spruik up things which really ain’t new…..things always come back to gpu and cpu

 

[Snake29]

Except PC has more powerful hardware. SSD in PS5 is only 5.5GB/s. how cute. PC can do 7.1GB/s and will likely go to 14.2GB/s next year.

that’s just the SSD. pc can have 8, 12, 16, 24 cores and run at ~5GHz. For RAM most people have 16GB which same as PS5 but of course the console only has about 13GB accessible and needs to share that between RAM + VRAM. Most people playing games on PC have a dedicated GPU so have anywhere between 6-24GB VRAM. my pc has 32GB RAM + 12GB VRAM. oh and PC RAM can run at 3000-4700MHz but will only get faster next year.

PS5 is already outdated compared to PC and it will only get worse

Ooh look another person that has missed all the talk over the year, and is purely reading up on numbers and comparing them.

That's not how it works.....

 

[Md Ray]

I really wouldn’t bother with this user. You won’t ever be able to win on facts or logic, it will just go in circles.

I cucked him into slipping and admitting he’s paid to post fud on Sony in a different thread. Likely sitting in some 3rd world shitposting sweatshop getting caned while doing everything on his script to turn the tide against Sony. Not sure how he’s keeping this shit job with the 0/10 performance, lol.

One of these has recently been stripped of their influence and just like that, they are nowhere to be seen, worked as a team in all Sony threads, dumb and dumber.

Holy shit. I didn't know that, it all makes sense now.

 

[Shmunter]

Holy shit. I didn't know that, it all makes sense now.

I’m sure there’s others still, core gaming forums are rife for grass roots influencers. Why not, it’s easy, cheap and usually effective…except for this clown.

Signs are telling. Overly active, gaslights by shifting conversation to asking for something, never ever acknowledges anything not in line with agenda, repeats the same talking points or denials over and over. Rinse and repeat, day in day out.

 

[Md Ray]

the only real benefits you get are loading times

Reduced loading times bring in another benefit: it allows games to be more detailed. That's the core idea behind reducing load times by taking full advantage of the SSD's bandwidth in our machines (consoles/PCs).

PCs had SSDs for a decade, but they weren't taken full advantage of until consoles (Xbox) came with NVMe out of the factory.

 

[3liteDragon]

Except PC has more powerful hardware. SSD in PS5 is only 5.5GB/s. how cute. PC can do 7.1GB/s and will likely go to 14.2GB/s next year.

PS5 IO System to Be 'Supercharged' by Oodle Texture, Bandwidth Goes Up to 17.38GB/s

Sony has licensed the Oodle Texture technology, 'further superchanging' the PS5 IO system with a peak bandwidth of up to 17.38GB/s.

wccftech.com

The decompression hardware on the console goes up to 22GB/s with absolutely no driver overhead.

 

[Soodanim]

That people don’t quite understand the shortcomings of pre-DirectStorage/Kraken (is that the one? I forget) isn’t a reflection of stupidity, it’s a testament to how good developers have gotten at covering those shortcomings up.

Sure, the obvious one is waiting 5 and not 120 seconds for your big open world game to load, but it’s in game where the subtle, behind the scenes changes come. No more forced slow areas to mask loading. Greater freedom in design, leading to more variety. Once it’s there it will be easier to see.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I wish it were…surprised he hasn’t take it down. Guess it’s too late after being quoted….

“I'd much rather be a cunt than clueless as fuck and a volunteer cheerleader. At least I get paid to do what I do.”

Ghost of Tsushima removes Only on PlayStation logo on box art (PC version incoming?)

Makes sense, business wise. Games sale a lot in the first months then fade, release first on console, wait a years release on pc. I bet even console version will see a boost in sales.

www.neogaf.com

Bruh you kinda went off the deep end if you think that's an admission of him being a paid shill lmao.

 

[Shmunter]

Bruh you kinda went off the deep end if you think that's an admission of him being a paid shill lmao.

Here we go. Funny how you’re very much alike come to think off it.



Now go LOL at every post

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Here we go. Funny how you’re very much alike come to think off it.



Now go LOL at every post

Is this the next stage of paranoia? Geez. But you're right, I do get paid while posting here. You kinda got me

 

[Shmunter]

Is this the next stage of paranoia? Geez. But you're right, I do get paid while posting here. You kinda got me

Self admission is paranoia. Why you trying to cover for a shill bro? What’s the angle, why are you even here all of a sudden?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I'll show you if you can show me a single game that went from 25+ seconds to load on HDD to 1-2 seconds when switching to NVMe on PC. You haven't been able to do so.


You should take your own advice and start with the dev's quote first, nice and slow this time: Well, the key word there is beneficial and I think it will be very much so. Faster read access doesn't just allow for faster loading times, but also faster asset streaming. So that not only seems to promise more content in the environment but potentially more varied content as large assets such as high resolution textures and geometry are able to be paged in and out more rapidly.

And this: DirectStorage is coming to PC | DirectX Developer Blog (microsoft.com)

And watch this:



There's nothing wrong with acknowledging you were wrong and moving on.

EDIT:
DonJuanSchlong If you had actually read a thing or two about DS - you wouldn't have posted something like this that makes you look dumb:



In that dev blog post I linked above, the first thing or rather the first advantage Microsoft talks about that DS will bring to the table is the "vastly reduced load times".

"but...but..memory!!"

You are making yourself look dumb at this point. You still haven't shown me a single game ! I've asked in the other threads, and I'm asking you in this thread. Put up or shut up, it's not that hard. You don't need to write paragraphs to still be completely wrong. So what's a game that is suffering on PC because lack of direct storage?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Self admission is paranoia. Why you trying to cover for a shill bro?

I don't think he's a shill.

What’s the angle, why are you even here all of a sudden?

I get paid to do 8 hours of work but I finished my work for today at around 11 AM.

 

[Shmunter]

I don't think he's a shill.

I get paid to do 8 hours of work but I finished my work for today at around 11 AM.

You don’t say

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I really wouldn’t bother with this user. You won’t ever be able to win on facts or logic, it will just go in circles.

I cucked him into slipping and admitting he’s paid to post fud on Sony in a different thread. Likely sitting in some 3rd world shitposting sweatshop getting caned while doing everything on his script to turn the tide against Sony. Not sure how he’s keeping this shit job with the 0/10 performance, lol.

One of these has recently been stripped of their influence and just like that, they are nowhere to be seen, worked as a team in all Sony threads, dumb and dumber.

You can't be that slow, can you? Do you even get what that sentence even means?! Is English not your first language? The only thing you cucked is yourself lol. Let Mr know if you need help understanding what it means. I'll help you so don't cuck yourself again.

I don't think he's a shill.

I get paid to do 8 hours of work but I finished my work for today at around 11 AM.

You understand, and I'm sure it wasn't hard to get that. I get paid to work, while he cheerleaders for free. Crazy how he doesn't seem to understand that yet.





Direct storage anyone??

 

[Kenpachii]

That people don’t quite understand the shortcomings of pre-DirectStorage/Kraken (is that the one? I forget) isn’t a reflection of stupidity, it’s a testament to how good developers have gotten at covering those shortcomings up.

Sure, the obvious one is waiting 5 and not 120 seconds for your big open world game to load, but it’s in game where the subtle, behind the scenes changes come. No more forced slow areas to mask loading. Greater freedom in design, leading to more variety. Once it’s there it will be easier to see.

Masking loading is very much a console thing, not so much a PC thing.

SSD on consoles is great and a massive jump up from the PS4.
Directstorage is just a minor optimization on PC and that's about it.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

You understand, and I'm sure it wasn't hard to get that. I get paid to work, while he cheerleaders for free. Crazy how he doesn't seem to understand that yet.

It's wild that people actually believe that Microsoft is paying random people to go into internet forums and "shill" for them. That's not how astroturfing works, it's extremely inefficient and a total waste of money.

 

[Shmunter]

You can't be that slow, can you? Do you even get what that sentence even means?! Is English not your first language? The only thing you cucked is yourself lol. Let Mr know if you need help understanding what it means. I'll help you so don't cuck yourself again.

You understand, and I'm sure it wasn't hard to get that. I get paid to work, while he cheerleaders for free. Crazy how he doesn't seem to understand that yet.





Direct storage anyone??

Yes you get paid while I do it for free. How sad and pathetic you are. Interactive spam

 

[hoplie]

So what's a game that is suffering on PC because lack of direct storage?

Every game which has loading times larger than 3 seconds while using best of the hardware available.

 

[Md Ray]

You still haven't shown me a single game ! I've asked in the other threads, and I'm asking you in this thread.

And you still haven't shown me a single game on PC that went from 25+ sec load time to 1-2 sec simply switching from HDD to NVMe . I too have asked you in the other thread, and I'm asking you in this thread. You can admit you were wrong, it's not that hard.

Games are not designed around system capabilities that are absent.

That's like saying "well duh, games have never used 3D cards before and worked just fine!" back when graphics cards first came out.

FranXico had the perfect answer.

You don't need to write paragraphs to still be completely wrong.

About what exactly, explain us? So the 4A senior rendering programmer is wrong too?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

And you still haven't shown me a single game on PC that went from 25+ sec load time to 1-2 sec simply switching from HDD to NVMe .

Path of Exile.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Every game which has loading times larger than 3 seconds while using best of the hardware available.

There are plenty of games that take more than 3 second to load on ps5... Maybe it needs direct storage too??? There are even games that load faster on Xbox than ps5. Funny part is, no one can name me a single game. Md Ray refuses to, cause he knows it doesn't exist, and instead of just looking dumb, if he opens his mouth, he'll remove all doubt.

And you still haven't shown me a single game on PC that went from 25+ sec load time to 1-2 sec simply switching from HDD to NVMe . I too have asked you in the other thread, and I'm asking you in this thread. You can admit you were wrong, it's not that hard.

FranXico had the perfect answer.

About what exactly, explain us? So the 4A senior engine programmer is wrong too?

We're not going by your conditions if you haven't noticed. I've asked you for a title in multiple threads now. I'm now just waiting on your answer. You can't weasel your way out of this one. And it's funny that you think you can turn this around somehow and ask me a random question, because you don't know the answer.

You don't even have to reply back to me or tag me again if you can't just name me a single game. I'll wait.

 

[hoplie]

There are plenty of games that take more than 3 second to load on ps5... Maybe it needs direct storage too???

I am speechless… yeah but all those games are not optimized to benefit fully from the new io architecture.
These games which are optimized show a big advantage, even compared to your super duper highend pc. That’s why direct storage is going to be important for pc.
What the hell is so hard to understand for you? If you would just understand how data moves from ssd to vram currently on pc vs. optimized ps5 games you wouldn‘t talk such dumb shit.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

The paid shill is now denouncing Direct Storage and everything that goes with it, including devs direct quotes in the op just to shitpost Sony’s solution.

Man, you won’t last long at the shitpost factory. Put the training wheels back on.

You really need to work on reading comprehension. Leave your emotions out of it. I never denounced direct storage, I'm not downplaying Sony solution, etc. Lol you seriously need to lay off whatever you are taking, it's affecting your judgement and ability to understand basic things.


Breathe in, reread the posts, and see if you can come with a better understanding next time. I simply am saying, there are no games that suffer on PC, due to a lack of direct storage. I've said this before, and it's sad that I need to keep repeating it for the few in here who are a little slower than average.

I am speechless… yeah but all those games are not optimized to benefit fully from the new io architecture.
These games which are optimized show a big advantage, even compared to your super duper highend pc. That’s why direct storage is going to be important for pc.
What the hell is so hard to understand for you? If you would just understand how data moves from ssd to vram currently on pc vs. optimized ps5 games you wouldn‘t talk such dumb shit.

Who the fuck is comparing ps5 in the first place? Lol. If you look at my earlier posts, I specifically mention how Sony fanboys have to make everything about them. I'm a PC guy, talking about direct storage on PC, and somehow it turns into a ps5 thread fucking lol .

It's funny how some of them beat their chests so loud, and shit on everyone else. It's like they have to have first place in everything. No one can enjoy games, unless it's from Sony. There's no SSD faster, 10 TF > 35 TF because cache scrubbers, wifi 6 > Ethernet, UE5 can't run on PC, etc. I've heard it all from these warriors.


I'll buy someone gold if they can point me towards a PC, Nintendo, or Xbox thread which Sony fanboys didn't shit on it, or make the thread about them. Clock starts now.




Md Ray

 

[Md Ray]

There are plenty of games that take more than 3 second to load on ps5... Maybe it needs direct storage too??? There are even games that load faster on Xbox than ps5. Funny part is, no one can name me a single game. Md Ray refuses to, cause he knows it doesn't exist, and instead of just looking dumb, if he opens his mouth, he'll remove all doubt.





We're not going by your conditions if you haven't noticed. I've asked you for a title in multiple threads now. I'm now just waiting on your answer. You can't weasel your way out of this one. And it's funny that you think you can turn this around somehow and ask me a random question, because you don't know the answer.

You don't even have to reply back to me or tag me again if you can't just name me a single game. I'll wait.

So you're not going to explain to me where I or the rendering programmer was wrong?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

So you're not going to explain to me where I or the rendering programmer was wrong?

Once you name me a single game, I'll address your incorrect assessment.

This is definitely getting off topic at this point. Still waiting on that game though!

 

[strange headache]

Oh boy, here we go again.

You guys seriously need to stop overhyping marketing talk. Directstorage will be a nice to have, but it will not revolutionize PC gaming.
It will even work with older PCIe 3.0. drives.

 

[Shmunter]

You really need to work on reading comprehension. Leave your emotions out of it. I never denounced direct storage, I'm not downplaying Sony solution, etc. Lol you seriously need to lay off whatever you are taking, it's affecting your judgement and ability to understand basic things.


Breathe in, reread the posts, and see if you can come with a better understanding next time. I simply am saying, there are no games that suffer on PC, due to a lack of direct storage. I've said this before, and it's sad that I need to keep repeating it for the few in here who are a little slower than average.



Who the fuck is comparing ps5 in the first place? Lol. If you look at my earlier posts, I specifically mention how Sony fanboys have to make everything about them. I'm a PC guy, talking about direct storage on PC, and somehow it turns into a ps5 thread fucking lol .

Why are you lashing out at innocent posters trying to have a sensible conversation? Why so overly defensive?

I’m the one that cucked you into losing your composure causing you to oust yourself, take it up with me not everyone else. Sheees, you’re pretty bad at this.

 

[Negotiator101]

You are making yourself look dumb at this point. You still haven't shown me a single game ! I've asked in the other threads, and I'm asking you in this thread. Put up or shut up, it's not that hard. You don't need to write paragraphs to still be completely wrong. So what's a game that is suffering on PC because lack of direct storage?

It's not that games are suffering its just they'll improve for this. Are you not for this? Or you think it won't change anything?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Why are you lashing out at innocent posters trying to have a sensible conversation? Why so overly defensive?

I’m the one that cucked you into losing your composure causing you to oust yourself, take it up with me not everyone else. Sheees, you’re pretty bad at this.

Fuck of you silly cunt. Don’t address me again, I won’t spend a second more on a worthless cocksucker troll like you.

I've never lost my composure like this, ever. Not on a forum or real life. Only one getting cucked, is yourself, by yourself. You only have yourself to blame. Get help.

It's not that games are suffering its just they'll improve for this. Are you not for this? Or you think it won't change anything?

I never said once said I'm against it. Sorry if these trolls have you believing otherwise.

 

[GymWolf]

I need a new ssd.

 

[hoplie]

Who the fuck is comparing ps5 in the first place? Lol. If you look at my earlier posts, I specifically mention how Sony fanboys have to make everything about them. I'm a PC guy, talking about direct storage on PC, and somehow it turns into a ps5 thread fucking lol .

You can substitute PS5 with PC with direct storage, doesn’t change anything. I just used PS5 as it’s already showing practical results for an optimized io stack / api while direct storage is not out yet.

 

[Shmunter]

I've never lost my composure like this, ever. Not on a forum or real life. Only one getting cucked, is yourself, by yourself. You only have yourself to blame. Get help.


I never said once said I'm against it. Sorry if these trolls have you believing otherwise.

Ahh yes, thanks for reminding me. Can’t believe I wasted 5 more minutes on interactive spam like you. Adios shill! No putting the cat back in the bag now.

 

[Md Ray]

Once you name me a single game, I'll address your incorrect assessment.

This is definitely getting off topic at this point. Still waiting on that game though!

For one, a game like R&C wouldn't be possible. I've said this on the other thread too. The rendering side of things is possible obviously, but not the instant 1-2 second world switching due to its reliance on hardware decompression and full utilization of the SSD's speed.


Their engine itself became a bottleneck for them after utilizing the full speed of the SSD.



Meaning, the reliance on the 8 core Zen 2 CPU is gone.

Those are exactly what DirectStorage and RTX IO are bringing. DS allows devs to utilize all the available bandwidth of the NVMe dramatically reducing load times with the aim being <1 second and RTX IO is here to bring HW decompression initially via DirectCompute using CUDA cores, later they plan on bringing dedicated HW for decompression for PC that you now see on Xbox Series and PS5 consoles.

As MS themselves said during their DS presentation: even Xbox consoles are far ahead of PCs. Because both the software and hardware components are here and ready to be tapped now.

If PC didn't need DS and RTX IO (lol) why do you think they're bringing them to PC from consoles?

 

[Shmunter]

It's not that games are suffering its just they'll improve for this. Are you not for this? Or you think it won't change anything?

Post number #77, poster downplays Direct Storage - which is fine, his right. Guess who reacts with Praise The Sun. Should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Birdo]

Use this on PS5 and you'll go back in time.

 

[Kumomeme]

it will be new standard for future. no suprise.

 

[martino]

it will be new standard for future. no suprise.

depend on the tech.
for example nanite seems to be thought to be very "agile" on that front.

 

[Kumomeme]

depend on the tech.
for example nanite seems to be thought to be very "agile" on that front.

i mean..no necessary specific to directstorageapi but this kind of tech will be part of games minimum requirement for pc in future. when is the question. probably longer or sooner than we thought.

we now at very early start of generation. we in period phase of transition from hdd to ssd as standard. how long it gonna take we dont know. too earlier to declare anything. we need to see how things changing in next 5 years. for example at earlier previous generation nobody probably ever hear word of 'ray tracing'. but at end of the generation suddenly it become 'mandatory' requirement.