The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You did say pc hardware is catching up on the PS5.
Metro developer: DirectStorage will be very beneficial for PC gaming
Julius Ibidus
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DonJuanSchlong
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Shhhh, remember, those games are the greatest things since sliced bread... Until they hit PC, then they become "hand me downs". I swear some of these posters can't be over the age of 12, having weird mentalities like that. Some of these same shills will soon say R&C ain't all that.... Imagine thatYeah, too bad ps5 now has none of what a gaming rig can do, as the only thing they got going was Cerny's ssd system.
"But, muh games, they are worth the platform alone! Pc can't take them from me no one wants to wait for a PC release !"
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strange headache
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Reposting the same images of marketing buzzwords doesn't lend you any more credibility. A 10x faster storage medium doesn't give you 10x more performance, that is not how system performance works as there are many other factors at play here, shaders and graphics rendering being one major example.
Currently PC use CPU & RAM for decompressing/processing data before the data is accessible by the video card. Direct Storage will change it to Video Card & VRAM resources. In other words the data will go from your (NVMe) SSD straight to the video card for decompression & processing. That is it, that's the whole magic behind this API.
Again, nobody is saying that Directstorage isn't beneficial, so stop it with the frikkin' straw-manning.
What people are taking issue with is the unsubstantiated hype and overexaggerated representation of this API by fanboy who do nothing else but lap up the sensationalist marketing talk. The hardware for this has existed for a long time on PC now. These developments are made because the massive console audience has now finally switched to SSD technology also.
That is exactly how it works. The CPU on your console has the exact same bandwidth as the CPU in your PC system, because they are both functionally the same. GPUs need higher memory bandwidth because their many cores are designed for parallel computing while CPUs need bigger memory size for performing serial tasks.
Nowadays, the best CPUs have about 60GB/s while the best GPUs have 750GB/s memory bandwidth. So offloading some of that workload from the CPU to the GPU is beneficial to system performance.
When consoles are advertising their bandwidth, they are talking about GPU bandwidth. Even an old 780ti has 336 GB/s bandwidth, which is exactly comparable to the series X.
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Don't be poor. Get a real PC you console peasant.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Werewolfgrandma
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Holy shit it's like Austin Powers 3 in this thread
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DonJuanSchlong
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Julius Ibidus
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what the hell is that? are you speaking in tongues??
Werewolfgrandma
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I edited it. Always forget you can't just post gifs like that here
teezzy
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Julius Ibidus
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I mean technically series X and PS5 are already outdated.
you forgot to use the word 'toys' in this sentence, points deducted.
c'mon grannie, get with it!
MasterCornholio
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What's that going to be like?
I mean I know the PS5 has a lot of I/O hardware inside the APU. So maybe the MOBOs will have something similar?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Poor pc begging for CPU/GPU/SSD/GDDR/API tech from consoles to even exist.
Werewolfgrandma
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MikeM
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Except PC has more powerful hardware. SSD in PS5 is only 5.5GB/s. how cute. PC can do 7.1GB/s and will likely go to 14.2GB/s next year.
that's just the SSD. pc can have 8, 12, 16, 24 cores and run at ~5GHz. For RAM most people have 16GB which same as PS5 but of course the console only has about 13GB accessible and needs to share that between RAM + VRAM. Most people playing games on PC have a dedicated GPU so have anywhere between 6-24GB VRAM. my pc has 32GB RAM + 12GB VRAM. oh and PC RAM can run at 3000-4700MHz but will only get faster next year.
PS5 is already outdated compared to PC and it will only get worse
But how many people's PCs can actually outperform XSX/PS5 specs wise and performance wise? Steam survey shows the below:
GPU: Most popular is a GTX 1060 at 8.65%. Next popular is GTX 1050ti at 6.49% followed by a GTX 1650 at 5.45%. Anything RTX is only at 4.83% (RTX 2060) followed by 2.36% (RTX 2070) with numbers dwindling below 1% for any other RTX equivalent card. The overwhelming majority of PC owners have graphics capabilities lower than XSX/PS5.
CPU: only slightly above 5% of those surveyed had clocks higher than 3.7Ghz. Most popular core counts were 4 cores (40.38%) followed by 2 cores (13.84%) (if I am understanding "physical CPUs correctly").
SSD/HDD: No data.
I'd argue that, given the actual usage metrics of those gaming, that the XSX/PS5 is not outdated at all and is in fact more powerful overall than a majority of gamers' PCs. This will change in time, but its easy to say XSX/PS5 is outdated already when comparing them to the latest GPUs costing double or triple the price of the consoles. But in the real world, the consoles are not outdated when compared to actual PCs being used today. I know that PC vs console specs are never apples to apples though.
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Julius Ibidus
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cute! also, look at those clouds, about to pour, i'd say.
sunnysideup
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Why cant pc games just use standard system ram?
DonJuanSchlong
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There are millions more computers with much better specs than XSX and ps5 out in the wild, for the past 2-3 years.
Let me ask you a question. How many ps4 owners, now have possession of a ps5? Extremely low percent.
I don't get why this "point" keeps getting brought up?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
AFAIK they can, but saving memory is nice.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Generous mood that's all hahahah
DonJuanSchlong
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OverHeat
« generous god »
Very!
DonJuanSchlong
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We should get a little discord server going, hop on at late night, playing Chivalry 2 with the homies. Maybe turn the lights down, have some romantic music playing in the background. Just hanging out with the homies, nothing more, nothing less. We could even turn our webcams on. Hot Tub streaming is getting pretty popular, we could all just meet up ya know?
Julius Ibidus
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DonJuanSchlong
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haha talk about painting a picture, sound like a real party!!
I'd ask you if you'd wanna take the red or blue pill, but fuck it, let's take both!
staticshock
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Md Ray
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Oh, it will likely be incorporated into the GPUs. Think of this as a dedicated RT Cores performing RT operations or like the Tensor cores that enable mixed-precision computing, FP16 to accelerate AI workloads.
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Md Ray
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OverHeat
« generous god »
Last drop of gold to
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Werewolfgrandma
enjoy!
Md Ray
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Are you talking about this?
It's literally a screenshot from a Game Stack DirectStorage talk meant for the developers, it's not some marketing talk or buzzwords for the general public. It is no different from a GDC talk or a SIGGRAPH talk.
You can stay in denial, for all I care. Speaking of credibility, at least I back up what I say with actual dev talk, whitepapers, and quotes from rendering/engine programmers unlike some people here.
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mckmas8808
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Werewolfgrandma
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Thanks so much. Quite the bawcock. Now to look up what gold does.
Md Ray
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Not just that, it also allows devs to fully tap into NVMe's bandwidth, as currently, this isn't happening with the current storage API's programming model.
-from the DS dev blog
Md Ray
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Yeah, no... Bandwidth from a 780 Ti's 336 GB/s isn't exactly comparable to Series X's 336 GB/s BW because of things like DCC (Delta Color Compression).
SantaC
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Your XSX/PS5 are made of PC parts. Theyre a PC in a box.
Snake29
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I play on both console and pc, but pc gamers really struggle when something is better than on pc at the moment. Just because you guys think spending a lot of money on hardware is immediately better?
I have yet to see pc games, loading that fast and streaming assets immediately. Even Star Citizen is not fast enough with SSD since it's has a lot of driver overhead atm (same as other pc games). Even with RTI/O, not every pc gamer will benefit from it in the future since not everyone has the same hardware.
I have yet to see pc games, loading that fast and streaming assets immediately. Even Star Citizen is not fast enough with SSD since it's has a lot of driver overhead atm (same as other pc games). Even with RTI/O, not every pc gamer will benefit from it in the future since not everyone has the same hardware.
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teezzy
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Many players build nice rigs just to future proof and spend most of their time playing indies and older titles
There's a reason the most popular GPUs are usually outdated ones
Julius Ibidus
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really? i have a 2070 and can run games going back 20 years, maybe some tweaking but not much and they run fine. do they run better because they are closer to target hardware present at the time the game came out?
teezzy
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I have a 2070 too
I think the most popular card is a 1070 or some shit still, per Steam statistics
My point was that people have this weird idea of PC players being snobs, but in actuality most are chill just playing what they can with modest hardware. Heck, my most played game is Tekken 7... shit is old
It's why all this console warring is so strange to me, as funny as it can be. I hear Nintendo and Xbox fans sharing the same frustrations. Seems like Playstation fans are just very aggressive/annoying about it
Nerds gonna nerd, I guess
Dust-by-Monday
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Yes in regards to I/O tech, yes. I have yet to see anything on PC in the real world that works the way PS5's SSD works. Show me and I'll shut up.
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assurdum
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Do MS and Nvidia cooperate or not to develop something similar to the ps5 I/O solution or I'm wrong? From this point of view yeah pc need to catching up ps5.
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MikeM
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Sure. But heavily customized to the point that we can't actually find an exact duplicate in the PC world.
DonJuanSchlong
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I wonder what the next striking point will be amongst this crowd after direct storage releases?
Here's the current roadmap, I left out a bunch of fallacies, so feel free to add them in.
RDNA 3
SSD raises ps5 10TF
SSD is the new GPU
Unreal Engine 5 demo can't run on PC
Equivalent to a 3700x CPU
Primitive Shaders >>≥ Mesh Shaders
Direct Storage isn't out yet, ps5 >>>> PC.
Laughs in braille
Here's the current roadmap, I left out a bunch of fallacies, so feel free to add them in.
SSD raises ps5 10TF
SSD is the new GPU
Unreal Engine 5 demo can't run on PC
Equivalent to a 3700x CPU
Primitive Shaders >>≥ Mesh Shaders
Direct Storage isn't out yet, ps5 >>>> PC.
Laughs in braille
Md Ray
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Not how it works. As per MS, the storage to system memory transfer is slow and has a number of bottlenecks like checks/operations. Slow as in, it doesn't matter if it's a 500 MB/s drive or a 5 GB/s drive... You aren't taking full advantage of that 5 GB/s drive, in games. Very little, if that.
Here's a synthetic benchmark to show which ones are NVMe drives and which ones are SATA-based SSDs. After looking at this, you can look at game load time benchmarks and see for yourself how there's very little to no difference between the fastest NVMe and the fastest SATA SSD.
Here's Microsoft's reasoning behind this:
-from DirectStorage dev blog
Here's the kind of improvement you can expect when DirectStorage becomes commonplace in the PC space:
-97% reduction in the case of Final Fantasy 7
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