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CD Project Red = "premier PC developer"?
They might be premier story tellers, but they utterly suck at development. Always did. From piss poor ports like Saints Row 2 to Witcher and ending with Cyberpunk.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a complete long term disaster, knocks down value of CD Projekt RED by a whopping 75%. No longer Poland's biggest game studio
CD Project Red = "premier PC developer"?
They might be premier story tellers, but they utterly suck at development. Always did. From piss poor ports like Saints Row 2 to Witcher and ending with Cyberpunk.
The Eradicator
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Lots of people who played the game think it's bad because it wasn't a very good experience, aside from performance issues. It was a open world checklist game, with extremely weak RPG elements, a silly main story, and poorly implemented systems. I don't care how it runs now, I'll still never think it's a great game.
Denton
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I hope you realize you are a dumb ass clown and everyone can see that
I hope Derrick Chase isn't your real name
CD Project Red = "premier PC developer"?
They might be premier story tellers, but they utterly suck at development. Always did. From piss poor ports like Saints Row 2 to Witcher and ending with Cyberpunk.
Yes, PC is the lead platform of CDP and always has been. And their PC versions have actually been outstanding, Cyberpunk included. Of course, that also led to lastgen console versions being as bad as they were. Should have canceled them.
Saints Row 2 was afaik made by some subsidiary unrelated to CDPR, not to mention it is ancient history.
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derrickchase
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It is my real name, and my opinion is apparently better than yours. Imagine actually liking the Horizon games...
anothertech
Member
They moved to U5. They gon be alright.
Cherrypepsi
Member
Lots of mistakes have been made with this game but to me it's a great game and it was very deep and immersive experience.
I hope cdpr have learned from this. Right now, there are clear signs that they have. We will probably not see another Cyberpunk though, which is a shame because this setting had so much potential. Hopefully if the next Witcher in Unreal Engine 5 is successful they will reconsider going back to 2077 once more
I hope cdpr have learned from this. Right now, there are clear signs that they have. We will probably not see another Cyberpunk though, which is a shame because this setting had so much potential. Hopefully if the next Witcher in Unreal Engine 5 is successful they will reconsider going back to 2077 once more
What a BS thread XD
They went through a PR crisis, yes. But EVEN THOUGH the game sold over 18 million copies already. I will repeat, OVER 18 MILLION COPIES.
And they are still at the beginning of the milking process of this cow. Ports are coming, DLCs are coming, then the TV show etc. This is the business model today - you have to make the whole franchise ecosystem, in order to have continuous revenue and to grow brand's prestige.
Their stock price was waaay overvalued and every sane person with basic knowledge of economics knew this - but AGAIN that's the business.
They went through a PR crisis, yes. But EVEN THOUGH the game sold over 18 million copies already. I will repeat, OVER 18 MILLION COPIES.
And they are still at the beginning of the milking process of this cow. Ports are coming, DLCs are coming, then the TV show etc. This is the business model today - you have to make the whole franchise ecosystem, in order to have continuous revenue and to grow brand's prestige.
Their stock price was waaay overvalued and every sane person with basic knowledge of economics knew this - but AGAIN that's the business.
kuncol02
Banned
That wasn't made by CD Project Red.
balls of snow
Member
Witcher 3 on pc is a gen ahead than what is on ps4 basic. Hence, premiere pc dev.CD Project Red = "premier PC developer"?
They might be premier story tellers, but they utterly suck at development. Always did. From piss poor ports like Saints Row 2 to Witcher and ending with Cyberpunk.
And CP77 on PC is a gen ahead of the PS5 version as well (although PS5 version still looks very good and is a next gen visual showcase in its best moments imho).
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Ah sorry, I thought that by premier you mean "best". In that case, yes they obviously target PC first and then have to scale down to fit their game to consoles (and PC version is cut in the process as well).
Gankthenew
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how about Lacuna?
Guilty_AI
Member
I was thinking more on the line of daggerfall, new vegas and morrowind.
And skyrim does have fairly deep mechanics and branching plots, they're just not very good.
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lostinblue
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I actually think Cyberpunk 2077 on PC will be fixed by the community if needed and years from now looked more fondly.
ProjektRED dropped the ball here, they really had a chance of fixing it in the first few months, adding more and more content and fixing some stuff along the way. But they were focusing on the last gen console versions whose main issue (against the other versions) was actually mechanical HDD's. Cyberpunk 2077 actually runs mostly fine (for what it is) since the first patches on both PS4 and Xbox One if there is a SSD installed.
Slowdown not withstanding, but it basically behaves like GTA5 did on Xbox 360/PS3. Instead of going that way, they proceeded to cut more and more stuff on last gen consoles, so the HDD can keep up, which actually made the newer patches worse for people with SSD's (less npc's and the like).
ProjektRED dropped the ball here, they really had a chance of fixing it in the first few months, adding more and more content and fixing some stuff along the way. But they were focusing on the last gen console versions whose main issue (against the other versions) was actually mechanical HDD's. Cyberpunk 2077 actually runs mostly fine (for what it is) since the first patches on both PS4 and Xbox One if there is a SSD installed.
Slowdown not withstanding, but it basically behaves like GTA5 did on Xbox 360/PS3. Instead of going that way, they proceeded to cut more and more stuff on last gen consoles, so the HDD can keep up, which actually made the newer patches worse for people with SSD's (less npc's and the like).
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Mikey Jr.
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If you told me that in July of 2022 I still haven't played cyberpunk, I would have laughed in your face. I was so hyped. Consuming every piece of media.
Yet here I am. Day 1 copy on PS4, still sealed lol.
I keep waiting for this games "no man sky" moment, but I am unsure at this point it will ever happen.
I'm still ok with waiting though. My desire to play this game has evaporated. One day I'll probably just open the case on a whim and play it in whatever state it's in on my ps5. Not this year though.
Yet here I am. Day 1 copy on PS4, still sealed lol.
I keep waiting for this games "no man sky" moment, but I am unsure at this point it will ever happen.
I'm still ok with waiting though. My desire to play this game has evaporated. One day I'll probably just open the case on a whim and play it in whatever state it's in on my ps5. Not this year though.
derrickchase
Member
It's not fixable. The knife in the heart of that game is the fact that even the basic plot is such a fucking downer. There's no joy in it. No idea why anyone would want to play it. It blows.
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Isn't that like the entire point of Cyberpunk? Plus there are plenty of joyful and silly moments along the way, especially if you do companion missions.
derrickchase
Member
I just don't think it works, and I would even argue that Mass Effect 3 would have been FAR better received if it hadn't had a downer default ending, too. There's a reason Disney is so big.
This isn't some indie art house crap. These big AAA games are the equivalent of popcorn chewing comic book movie swill.
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If you don't have appreciation for Cyberpunk genre you will not like it. Simple as that. It was a good Cyberpunk story.
derrickchase
Member
You can do a Cyberpunk story with an ending that you could still call a victory or triumph.
TastyPastry
Member
the characters suck too honestly. i hate how everyone including V is a prick. i understand that it's cyberpunk and supposed to be edgy but if everyone is like that it just starts getting annoying. panam also sucks honestly, i think people just like her for having a thick ass but personality wise she's lame and annoying as hell, made worse by her being the only option for straight male V.
derrickchase
Member
Totally agree. I made a video about Cyberpunk a year before it was released basically saying this and talking about why I was so surprised that the game was being hyped up. Their writing really is unintentional parody.
Your game shouldn't read like something on https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/ . Asinine, ignorant, emo crapola, and honestly, it's written with such little skill you can actually tell that the people who wrote it aren't native English speakers, which is never a good sign.
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Guilty_AI
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All these posts and it really sounds you just don't like cyberpunk as a genre. I mean, you yourself is saying you were critiquing the story even before it came out, you'll never like anything when you're determined to dislike it.
I actually didn't have much hopes for it either considering i thought The Witcher 3 was just so-so in the story department, but i was very glad to be proven wrong.
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lostinblue
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I've seen other WRPG's where that rang true as well, but the quest system, sandbox and content made it so that it didn't matter as much.
At least at launch time, a few years later it becomes more evident people were actually duped. Cyberpunk had some really good ideas, most of them ultimately cut or implemented halfway, but it's still an interesting game. I really think commitment made a difference here.
I won't defend the end result, mind you. I'm thinking about it like Witcher. Witcher 1 is nothing to write home about, but it did some things right or served as a test tube enough that gave them the ground to do Witcher 2 and 3. Cyberpunk could be a stepping stone like that, but they burnt too much costumer good will launching it like they did and then not giving back.
derrickchase
Member
No, I was critiquing the writing in Witcher 3.
Guilty_AI
Member
And cyberpunk is definitely many steps up that. Its not like TW3 was horrible either so i can at least call CP2077 story good, they also did a great job with the cyberpunk themes which is the thing i initially had doubts about.
64gigabyteram
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They made one masterpiece in the past (witcher 3) and ended up soaring to the reputation of a god tier publisher when it really wasn't deserved. Just cuz you made one good game doesn't mean every one will be a hit.
That being said, one of my friends thinks CP2077 is a masterpiece so yeah and most reception ive heard about the game after the bug fix patch says that it's pretty good, so alls well that ends well i suppose. I just hope they don't shut down after this, it sucks but its not worth an entire fucking company
That being said, one of my friends thinks CP2077 is a masterpiece so yeah and most reception ive heard about the game after the bug fix patch says that it's pretty good, so alls well that ends well i suppose. I just hope they don't shut down after this, it sucks but its not worth an entire fucking company
Dream-Knife
Banned
It's still higher than it was on 2017. It just seems like that hype bubble popped.
Starbuck2907
Member
Down 75% isn't as bad as it seems in the current market.
balls of snow
Member
They will sell if things are dire. Cdpr owns the witcher game licence in perpetuity after all.
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CitizenZ
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Just to follow up, and I will let you go read their earnings(its down 7%) and yet the stock increased as i predicted after I said 240 was a steal. All a scam.
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