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[feynoob]

CMA be like,

They are about to see what is it like to be on twitter.
My first 2 month on twitter was brutal. Constant screaming on both sides, that I had to mute everyone on both side nonstop.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[feynoob]

I don't disagree in a business sense, to an extent.

On a side note, how much is paid every time "moneyhats" is mentioned. Is this like a Chinese bot situation, or?

Dont know why people would complain about this.
Business is business. Sony has every right to do money hat or whatever it is called.

Timed exclusives is how you make your console attractive.

If MS doesnt like these stuff, then they need to partner with 3rd party devs to make console exclusive games like nintendo does with monster hunter world.

Money rules.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dont know why people would complain about this.
Business is business. Sony has every right to do money hat or whatever it is called.

Timed exclusives is how you make your console attractive.

If MS doesnt like these stuff, then they need to partner with 3rd party devs to make console exclusive games like nintendo does with monster hunter world.

Money rules.

Exactly. Instead, they want to buy the largest and longest 3rd party publishers and play takeaway forever cornering the market.

 

[CatLady]

The only way it would not have is if someone paid for perpetual exclusivity. But there is no proof anyone would pay a sufficient amount for that, so you asking us to prove a negative.

I will concede that just like we don't know for sure that the sun will come up tomorrow, we technically cannot say there is zero chance Starfield would have skipped PS5. But you, me, and everyone else knows, in mind and heart, that it would have eventually launched on it short of a permanent exclusive deal. Unless we are to believe it would make sound financial sense for Ford to stop selling cars to the 48 contiguous States and move all operations to Hawaii.

No matter how hard you and DeepEnigma try to bend reality you can't make a case for them ever being on, available and for sale on the PS platform. I would say Xbox owning those IPs gives them the right to make them permanent exclusives. Since they never came to PlayStation therefore, they have never been removed from PlayStation.

 

[feynoob]

Exactly. Instead, they want to buy the largest and longest 3rd party publishers and play takeaway forever cornering the market.

That party was going to be bought by someone else. If not MS, it would have been amazon or tencent.

It was either them or MS.

But what I would blame MS is their inability to invest during x360.
Sega wanted them to be part of Xbox.
Tons of devs wanted to be bought by Xbox.
Bethesda were available, considering they made their 1st game on xbox.

Instead, they invested on 3rd party deals like Sony, and ignored their 1st party.

Say what you want about Ps3 cell shade, but it was pure stroke luck for Sony. It managed to produce uncharted, which then produced last of us. From that moment, Sony started to put focus on 1st party investment. Something MS should have done during that time.

I gotta give credit to Sony. They know how to do business, unlike MS.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No matter how hard you and DeepEnigma try to bend reality you can't make a case for them ever being on, available and for sale on the PS platform. I would say Xbox owning those IPs gives them the right to make them permanent exclusives. Since they never came to PlayStation therefore, they have never been removed from PlayStation.

I never said it didn't give them the right. Of course it does.

I said it was disingenuous to say that 25+ years of traditional third party IPs, all of a sudden wouldn't be if left as is.

 

[IFireflyl]

That party was going to be bought by someone else. If not MS, it would have been amazon or tencent.

It was either them or MS.

I wouldn't have a problem with someone other than Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Epic Games, Tencent, or Steam buying Activision Blizzard.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I wouldn't have a problem with someone other than Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Epic Games, Tencent, or Steam buying Activision Blizzard.

Who's left? Amazon, Apple and Google. No thank you.

 

[feynoob]

I wouldn't have a problem with someone other than Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Epic Games, Tencent, or Steam buying Activision Blizzard.

Amazon is shit, and doesnt know how to manage their gaming division.
Tencent. It could make activision good, or bad. But they would make movies, which would be great honestly on COD universe.

The rest, dont have that money. Sony only option would be a merger. But the board wanted the bailout money.

So you are left with those people.

 

[IFireflyl]

Who's left? Amazon, Apple and Google. No thank you.

Amazon is shit, and doesnt know how to manage their gaming division.
Tencent. It could make activision good, or bad. But they would make movies, which would be great honestly on COD universe.

The rest, dont have that money. Sony only option would be a merger. But the board wanted the bailout money.

So you are left with those people.

I'm not saying that any of the other options would have been "good" options. I'm saying that at least it wouldn't be the corporations with the most power consolidating even more power. That's the issue I have with this acquisition regardless of whether it were Sony or Microsoft engaged in the acquisition.

 

[DForce]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

 

[Three]

Why does it need to be bought at all? Why can't it just be independent?

By that logic does this mean EA and Take 2 are just sitting ducks that will be gobbled up too?

 

[adamsapple]

1. There several key points I want to highlight about this deal.
   1. Activision put themselves for sale. MS approached, but were rejected. They went to facebook, instead. Facebook rejected Activision deal. Activision went back to MS, and the sale happened.
   2. This wasnt a hostile takeover. This was a business that was up for sale, and anyone could have made the sale.
   3. Same thing happened to Bethesda. Bethesda were up for sale. MS bought them. There was no hostile take over.
   4. As such, both deals werent done by MS big money, in order to hurt the competition. They were companies who were on the market, and MS had the means to buy them.
2. B:
   1. Activision deal isnt just about COD, like people here make it out to be. Its about 3 division of activision.
   2. 1A: Activison with COD, and other IPs
   3. 1B: Blizzard, which opens the windows store for PC player through WOW, and battlenet integregation with windows store.
   4. 1C: King with candy crush, and COD mobile. This opens the door for MS to open Mobile store, by utilizing King, and in hopes of porting their games to mobile through King.
3. This deal wont hurt Sony, as COD needs playerbase. By excluding PS users, MS is essentially undercutting COD growth. There is also the fact, that MS has tons of FPS shooters, which would also hurt COD revenue on Xbox. Hence, why MS wont remove the game from PS.
4. This deal wont give MS leverage through cloud gaming. Cloud gaming is early experiment. It needs time, and tools to replace the traditional consoles. There are major players in cloud gaming. Players such as,
   1. 4A: Amazon with luna.
   2. 4B: Sony with PS Now, or as we call it now PS+ premium. Which includes a high catelog of library, which are much bigger than MS own cloud gaming library.
   3. 4C: Geforce, which offers the ability to play owned games on their service.
   4. As such, Activision purchase wont hurt the competition in this avenue.

Would this deal pass?
Yes, it would, since there are no major problems with this acquision.
MS/Xbox is last in console race in term of userbase, sold hardware, and 2nd in term of revenue. While MS has enermous amount of money under their belt, this acquision wont put them in advantage mode, due to userbase not being enough. Currently, Xbox has half of PS userbase, and 75% of nintendo userbase.

While this deal wont be a problem, there are future problems if this deal is passed, which would put MS in anti competitive range, should they acquire publishers like EA and take 2. If this happens, MS should face the scrunity for monopolistic tactic, as those publishers would give them alot of advantages.

Probably the best most well rounded post in this thread in a loooooong while.

Why does it need to be bought at all? Why can't it just be independent?

By that logic does this mean EA and Take 2 are just sitting ducks that will be gobbled up too?

If EA, Take 2 want to be sold there is nothing stopping them from putting themselves up. Activision is not being taken over by force, it is not a hostile takeover. Like Zenimax, they are actively looking to be acquired.

 

[feynoob]

I'm not saying that any of the other options would have been "good" options. I'm saying that at least it wouldn't be the corporations with the most power consolidating even more power. That's the issue I have with this acquisition regardless of whether it were Sony or Microsoft engaged in the acquisition.

Corporate is bad, which is why I hate google and MS.
Google with their google browser is essential for most businesses, and MS windows and office is being part of our economy.

We have to deal with their crap nonstop. Look at how google is destorying youtube slowly. While MS is making my windows experience shit from time to time.

These guys are abusing their position, and regulators are blindly allowing them to do whatever they want.

People with tons of money would always try to gain as much as power. They have elite lawyers, who make their problems go away. While us plebs suffer under them.

I am pro gamepass. But I fear that one day, MS would turn their true face like they did with xbox one. Great money savings, but future consquences is big, with the way current big boys are doing their stuff (Netflix, disney, hulu, hbo).

 

[Three]

If EA, Take 2 want to be sold there is nothing stopping them from putting themselves up. Activision is not being taken over by force, it is not a hostile takeover. Like Zenimax, they are actively looking to be acquired.

Because MS, Tencent and co are paying big money. It's not because Activision was having financial trouble though. So if nobody buys ABK, EA and Take 2 I don't see how being independent isn't better.

 

[CatLady]

I never said it didn't give them the right. Of course it does.

I said it was disingenuous to say that 25+ years of traditional third party IPs, all of a sudden wouldn't be if left as is.

From what I can tell the 1st Elder Scroll on PlayStation wasn't until Dec. 2007 with Oblivion. Elder Scrolls III Morrowind on Xbox and Windows in 2002 and never released on PS so it's certainly not unheard of.

That still doesn't change the fact that the games in question also never released on PS so they can't be removed if they were never there. They just aren't coming to PS Just like SFV wasn't removed from Xbox, it just never came to Xbox in the first place.

 

[feynoob]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

This is shit take.

There is no highlight argument, which talks about the possitive and negative of the deal.

Plus Sony 1st party games on Day1 service makes no sense, with the way people are paying for them. You cant force Sony to do that, if userbase doesnt want it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

Like I said. A script, lol.

 

[C2brixx]

Exactly. Instead, they want to buy the largest and longest 3rd party publishers and play takeaway forever cornering the market.

I'm confused. Is Activision allowed to sell their company or not? Folks acting like this was a hostile take over. Activision got several bids and chose to go with Microsoft. That's just business.

 

[DeepEnigma]

From what I can tell the 1st Elder Scroll on PlayStation wasn't until Dec. 2007 with Oblivion. Elder Scrolls III Morrowind on Xbox and Windows in 2002 and never released on PS so it's certainly not unheard of.

That still doesn't change the fact that the games in question also never released on PS so they can't be removed if they were never there. They just aren't coming to PS Just like SFV wasn't removed from Xbox, it just never came to Xbox in the first place.

If you think the GTAV of WRPGs (Skyrim) which was porting on anything and everything for 3 gens in a row, wasn't going to have that revenue and profit maximizing angle going forward if left independent. IDK what to tell you.

Zenimax also includes id Software, and many more developers besides Bethesda. Which they put Doom on freaking Xerox machines and wordpad.exe now... WORD PAD!

 

[IFireflyl]

I'm confused. Is Activision allowed to sell their company or not? Folks acting like this was a hostile take over. Activision got several bids and chose to go with Microsoft. That's just business.

Activision Blizzard is allowed to sell their company. Regulatory bodies could potentially block the sale (although it's unlikely that will occur).

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm confused. Is Activision allowed to sell their company or not? Folks acting like this was a hostile take over. Activision got several bids and chose to go with Microsoft. That's just business.

Of course they're allowed to. Even at obscene amounts of overvalue compared to their stock. But that doesn't mean they will face regulatory bodies and scrutiny. Especially after MS just buying one of the largest publishers with a wealth of 3rd party IPs, then moving onto the largest publisher in the game (while gloating they won't stop).

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

This.....can't be serious...but at the same times....we live in dark times, in chaos... someone could say....we live in a society.

 

[CatLady]

If you think the GTAV of WRPGs (Skyrim) which was porting on anything and everything for 3 gens in a row, wasn't going to have that revenue and profit maximizing angle going forward if left independent. IDK what to tell you.

Zenimax also includes id Software, and many more developers besides Bethesda. Which they put Doom on freaking Xerox machines and wordpad.exe now... WORD PAD!

What id games have been removed?

 

[adamsapple]

Because MS, Tencent and co are paying big money. It's not because Activision was having financial trouble though. So if nobody buys ABK, EA and Take 2 I don't see how being independent isn't better.

I don't think MS will be in the run to make another high billions acquisition for any forseeable number of years if/when this deal closes.

But, again, if a company wants to sell, nothing will stop them from putting themselves out. Like this Activision deal where MS wasn't even their first choice, it was Facebook/Meta.

I'm confused. Is Activision allowed to sell their company or not? Folks acting like this was a hostile take over. Activision got several bids and chose to go with Microsoft. That's just business.

They are perfectly allowed to do that.

Like I said. A script, lol.

Shit I'd better let my pals at the secret xbox discord server know that deepenigma is on to them

 

[DeepEnigma]

What id games have been removed?

We are going in circles with semantics. Look, I get what you are saying, and I agree, their future projects (let's say another DOOM, or Wolfenstein, or even a new Quake) get's announced, they are first party now, they have all the right to be.

If they were left as is, they would be on every machine they can squeeze them on. That has been their thing for 2-3 gens now.

I did not even mind MS buying Zeni, it made sense, but then Activision, and them making comments they won't stop at Activision. That is why there are regulatory boards and criticisms in that arena.

Shit I'd better let my pals at the secret xbox discord server know that deepenigma is on to them

Cringe harder.

 

[CatLady]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

Well, that's a boring start. No list warz, no Xbox is best and talking about Game Pass without even 1 'best deal in gaming'. I hope both sides are going to have better warriors than this.

 

[feynoob]

I don't think MS will be in the run to make another high billions acquisition for any forseeable number of years if/when this deal closes.

That is the positive thing about this deal.
Hope this puts stop to MS insane pursuit of publishers.

We dont want Disney in gaming. That is bad future for gaming. Nobody wants to see 3 big publishers under 1 company. That is not normal, and shouldnt happen at all.

 

[adamsapple]

Well, that's a boring start. No list warz, no Xbox is best and talking about Game Pass without even 1 'best deal in gaming'. I hope both sides are going to have better warriors than this.

Things like that don't "randomly" show up in peoples feeds, the feeds are catered with keywords that you've been searching/browsing.

Folks are seeking this out on twitter, encouraging sign that there is discourse.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Well, that's a boring start. No list warz, no Xbox is best and talking about Game Pass without even 1 'best deal in gaming'. I hope both sides are going to have better warriors than this.

Did you miss Jezzz 'expert analyst' Corden?

 

[Banjo64]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

This poor fuckers face 10 years down the line when it's £30 a month for Game Pass and MS have increased the price of CoD and TES to £120 to make Game Pass look like a bargain.

The shortsightedness of some of the takes is pretty amazing.

 

[CatLady]

We are going in circles with semantics. Look, I get what you are saying, and I agree, their future projects (let's say another DOOM, or Wolfenstein, or even a new Quake) get's announced, they are first party now, they have all the right to be.

If they were left as is, they would be on every machine they can squeeze them on. That has been their thing for 2-3 gens now.

I concur, plus it's time to move on to something else, people are probably sick of both of us going back and forth.

 

[feynoob]

Zenimax also includes id Software, and many more developers besides Bethesda. Which they put Doom on freaking Xerox machines and wordpad.exe now... WORD PAD!

wasnt zenimax having financial trouble? their games werent selling like they used to. And bethesda alone cant put out amazing games nonstop.

Sony should have snatched it, while they were in the market.

Zenimax is the 1 studio, which Sony would have benifited massively from. Bethesda with open world, Id with shooter, Arkane with crazy unique games. Still suprised Sony let MS buy them.

 

[CatLady]

Things like that don't "randomly" show up in peoples feeds, the feeds are catered with keywords that you've been searching/browsing.

Folks are seeking this out on twitter, encouraging sign that there is discourse.

That wasn't in my feed, hopefully mine will have some of the world's greatest fanboy warriors battling it out.

 

[Topher]

Well, that's a boring start. No list warz, no Xbox is best and talking about Game Pass without even 1 'best deal in gaming'. I hope both sides are going to have better warriors than this.

I'll have a go:

"Dear CMA,

What the fuck is wrong with you? I gotta pay $70 for Call of Duty because your sorry ass is pimping for PlayStation? I'd like to shove my foot up your ass, but it sounds like that hole is in your face.

And are you seriously going to fuck over an entire corporation and leave the employees with that dipshit, dumbass, women-hating fucktard Kotick? How pathetic are you? Did Kotick promise you access to his private peep-hole to the women's bathroom?

Sony games suck ass. Fucking boring ass Krytos, dickless Peter Parker, and some rat with a goddamn toaster on his back. If you like that shit then you can go fuck off.

If you've gotten this far...

Yours truly,
Topher "

 

[DeepEnigma]

We dont want Disney in gaming. That is bad future for gaming. Nobody wants to see 3 big publishers under 1 company. That is not normal, and shouldnt happen at all.

 

[adamsapple]

That wasn't in my feed, hopefully mine will have some of the world's greatest fanboy warriors battling it out.

Dear CMA

Hire Liz Truss

kthxbieeeeeeeee

 

[CatLady]

I'll have a go:

"Dear CMA,

What the fuck is wrong with you? I gotta pay $70 for Call of Duty because your sorry ass is pimping for PlayStation? I'd like to shove my foot up your ass, but it sounds like that hole is in your face.

And are you seriously going to fuck over an entire corporation and leave the employees with that dipshit, dumbass, women-hating fucktard Kotick? How pathetic are you? Did Kotick promise you access to his private peep-hole to the women's bathroom?

Sony games suck ass. Fucking boring ass Krytos, dickless Peter Parker, and some rat with a goddamn toaster on his back. If you like that shit then you can go fuck off.

If you've gotten this far...

Yours truly,
Topher "

OMG,OMG,OMG!!! Now we're talking, that's magnificent. My stomach hurts from laughing.

 

[GHG]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

 

[PhaseJump]

I hope Xbox closes this deal soon.

I want them to move on to acquiring publishers and studios in Japan, triggering all the pure fucking retarded concern trolls in this thread.

 

[GHG]

I hope Xbox closes this deal soon.

I want them to move on to acquiring publishers and studios in Japan, triggering all the pure fucking retarded concern trolls in this thread.

Oh so it's not even about games/gamepass/"Kotick is a demon"?

I admire your honesty, at least then we don't need to suffer through pages of bullshit and disingenuous takes.

 

[CatLady]

OMG,OMG,OMG!!! Now we're talking, that's magnificent. My stomach hurts from laughing.

Okay now make one from Sony fanboys point of view or better yet Jim Ryan. In fact you should write the whole script for The CMA Fight to the Death in the Battle of the Fanboy Warriors. Get Ass of Can Whooping to help if necessary.

 

[Topher]

Okay now make one from Sony fanboys point of view or better yet Jim Ryan. In fact you should write the whole script for The CMA Fight to the Death in the Battle of the Fanboy Warriors. Get Ass of Can Whooping to help if necessary.

An Xbox guy has to write the Sony fanboy version. Somebody step up.

 

[feynoob]

Dear CMA

Hire Liz Truss

kthxbieeeeeeeee

Nah, capage is better, since he can last longer in his position.
capage for president.

 

[Balducci30]

This randomly showed up on my twitter feed. LOL.

I just don't understand why people are invested like this

 

[GHG]

I just don't understand why people are invested like this

We ought to akqnowledge and admire his dedication to this akqusition.

 

[IFireflyl]

Okay now make one from Sony fanboys point of view or better yet Jim Ryan. In fact you should write the whole script for The CMA Fight to the Death in the Battle of the Fanboy Warriors. Get Ass of Can Whooping to help if necessary.

To whichever limp-dicked CMA crack-addict is reading this,

What the fuck is wrong with you? You think I'm going to pay $15 a month for unlimited access to all of Xbox's content when I can pay $70+ per game on PlayStation? Piss all the way off right now you weird-toothed European bastards!

Maybe you've been living under a rock, but the patriarchy is doing just fine. Microsoft can crawl all the way inside my asshole, because we're keeping Kotick. Women love frat culture, and you uneducated ball-gazers need to quit being pussies and give them what they need.

Xbox doesn't even have games. There's Forza Horizon Five Fingers in the Asshole, and Halo: Infinite Anal. Master Queef can lick my blue-haired taint. Jim Ryan could kick Phil Spencer's ass twice with one hand, and with the other hand he'd just be jerking it the entire time. That's a real man.

Lick every testicle,

IFireflyl

 

[PhaseJump]

Oh so it's not even about games/gamepass/"Kotick is a demon"?

I admire your honesty, at least then we don't need to suffer through pages of bullshit and disingenuous takes.

Fanboys and console warriors are all retarded. Xbox is nowhere near being or becoming a monopoly in regards to acquisitions, and to challenge their moves so far is more disingenuous than anything else being whined about here.

Microsoft acquisitions are great as far as I'm concerned. I anxiously await the foretold weeaboo meltdown apocalypse. The doomsday where more Japanese games start to show up on Xbox to round out their lacking 1st party library. The day when all the disheveled, biased platform warrior haters begin to lose their collective shit and cry about betrayal and other such nonsense.

All the meltdown drama would be more entertaining than any lineup of games from any of the platform holders over the last few years.

 

[GHG]

Fanboys and console warriors are all retarded. Xbox is nowhere near being or becoming a monopoly in regards to acquisitions, and to challenge their moves so far is more disingenuous than anything else being whined about here.

Microsoft acquisitions are great as far as I'm concerned. I anxiously await the foretold weeaboo meltdown apocalypse. The doomsday where more Japanese games start to show up on Xbox to round out their lacking 1st party library. The day when all the disheveled, biased platform warrior haters begin to lose their collective shit and cry about betrayal and other such nonsense.

All the meltdown drama would be more entertaining than any lineup of games from any of the platform holders over the last few years.