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[feynoob]

Follow up to #4,843

 

[Three]

yeah and an article I shared earlier said the player base was bigger on PC

That article was incorrect though. It used a higher growth to suggest most is on PC I don't think that was said in the earnings call. I can still imagine it especially with Warzone and China but I don't think that data is given anywhere. The article mentions nothing.

 

[feynoob]

Should CMA look at this?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8908....it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tweaktown

Back in February 2022, Valve's head honcho Gabe Newell said he'd like to work with Microsoft to get Xbox Game Pass on Steam. "We'd be more than happy to work with them to get that on Steam," Newell had told PC Gamer at the time.
Interestingly enough, Newell said this a month after Microsoft publicly announced that it wanted to purchase Activision-Blizzard for $70 billion. On the surface, it looks like Newell and Valve as a whole would be okay with integrating Xbox Game Pass onto Steam on a post-merger level, which could include multiple access points to big PC games like Call of Duty, Diablo, and possibly even World of Warcraft.

That being said, Valve wouldn't do something that doesn't benefit its business. Valve would likely create contractual clauses, upfront costs, and royalty payment systems to offset any potential impact that Game Pass access could have on sales.

We also have to remember that Call of Duty only just returned to Steam. And what a triumphant return it has been: Modern Warfare II is currently the best-selling game on Steam right now. Would that be the case if it were offered on Game Pass as a day one game?

Then there is the windows problem, which might be an issue

On the flip side, though, integrating Xbox Game Pass on Steam could take away userbase from Microsoft's own PC storefront and platform. Microsoft has been trying to build up its PC gaming presence in the form of the Xbox app and Windows Store games presence for many years. So far, Xbox Game Pass has done wonders for this effort by becoming the market leader in PC gaming subscriptions.

How would Game Pass' integration on Steam affect this push? Would anyone use the Xbox app or buy games through the Windows Store if Game Pass was available on Steam? It's hard to say. What's even harder to say is if Microsoft would be okay with their own PC gaming efforts being potentially overshadowed by a competing storefront that they don't retain full 100% revenues from first-party games sold from (and full revenue share for in-game purchases).

Can MS and Steam come in to agreement? Esepcially with the price cost?

As we can see, there are reasons for and against bringing Game Pass to a platform like Steam on both Valve's and Microsoft's sides. We have to wonder, though, if the incredible value proposition offered by Game Pass would significantly affect the conditions in which Valve would allow such a service onto its platform, e.g. a high-cost premium to potential offset any impact on full game sales.

It is possible that both platform can reach in to agreement, which means, there is a possiblity that MS can actually remove COD from PS, should Steam allow gamepass in to their store.

What do you guys think about this news?

 

[PaintTinJr]

Should CMA look at this?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8908....it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tweaktown


Then there is the windows problem, which might be an issue

Can MS and Steam come in to agreement? Esepcially with the price cost?



It is possible that both platform can reach in to agreement, which means, there is a possiblity that MS can actually remove COD from PS, should Steam allow gamepass in to their store.

What do you guys think about this news?

IMO it looks like more than nothing. Probably worth you sticking it in an email with that link - but using them through archive.org - just so they can consider it.

 

[ReBurn]

https://itif.org/publications/2022/...blizzard-does-not-raise-foreclosure-concerns/

If the ITIF would have read this thread they would never have published this because someone in this very thread already said that comparing this to Minecraft was a bad example and all of the Minecraft updates and spin-offs that went to other systems don't count.

 

[Topher]

Should CMA look at this?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8908....it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tweaktown


Then there is the windows problem, which might be an issue

Can MS and Steam come in to agreement? Esepcially with the price cost?



It is possible that both platform can reach in to agreement, which means, there is a possiblity that MS can actually remove COD from PS, should Steam allow gamepass in to their store.

What do you guys think about this news?

I think it will be tough to pull off real revenue sharing between multiple platforms. I don't see it happening, frankly. Not really a concern for CMA, is it?

 

[Malak]

The independent non-profit, non-partisan, research and education institution ITIF The Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (shared an analysis of Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard and came to the conclusion that the Redmond company will not make Call of Duty exclusive to Xbox, exactly as done with Minecraft, contrary to the analysis of the CMA.

ITIF writes: "In announcing the acquisition of Mojang, Microsoft committed to continue to make Minecraft available on all competing devices, including Sony's PlayStation. To date, Microsoft has respected that commitment. The fact that Microsoft has not stopped Sony is not surprising given Minecraft's popularity and Sony's large share of console sales. Microsoft correctly determined that the cost of exclusion would outweigh the benefits. We shouldn't expect the calculation to be any different for Call of Duty, for which Microsoft has committed to continue to make Call of Duty available to Sony."

"Rather than focusing on Microsoft's conduct with regard to Minecraft, the CMA looks at Microsoft's conduct with regard to the acquisition of lower value game titles. The CMA concludes that: 'Microsoft followed this strategy [of making the content acquired Xbox exclusive] when it acquired content of much less value than ABK games [ Activision ], and therefore much less likely to divert customers to the console. Therefore, the CMA believes Microsoft may have an even greater incentive strong to make ABK content exclusive to Xbox after the merger".

"This is the exact opposite conclusion that we should draw from Microsoft's conduct. When a game isn't high in value, the cost of creating this Xbox-exclusive title is relatively low. In other words, Microsoft doesn't lose many customers that it might otherwise have. accessed this title on Sony's console because there aren't many customers. For a popular game franchise like Call of Duty, the cost of making these titles exclusive is much higher, which suggests a weaker incentive to make content exclusive after the merger Not only should we not expect Microsoft to deny Sony access to Call of Duty after the merger, but the acquisition will likely expand access to Call of Duty."

Source: https://itif.org/publications/2022/...blizzard-does-not-raise-foreclosure-concerns/

 

[feynoob]

I think it will be tough to pull off real revenue sharing between multiple platforms. I don't see it happening, frankly. Not really a concern for CMA, is it?

It should be. There is a possibility that both companies can agree to this.

If this happens, it could strengthen MS position.

 

[reksveks]

What do you guys think about this news?

Valve and MS' position and policies will not change irrespective of the ABK deal imo.

 

[PaintTinJr]

The independent non-profit, non-partisan, research and education institution ITIF The Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (shared an analysis of Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard and came to the conclusion that the Redmond company will not make Call of Duty exclusive to Xbox, exactly as done with Minecraft, contrary to the analysis of the CMA.









Source: https://itif.org/publications/2022/...blizzard-does-not-raise-foreclosure-concerns/

Let's see if they draw that same conclusion further on down the line. I've already discussed - at length in this thread - the techniques being deployed on the Minecraft player base to lead them all back to Windows/DirectX/Subscription server versions of the game - instead of the Opengl/Java/free community java self-serving origins of the game pre-acquisition, and with Minecraft they've already withheld a PS5 native version AFAIK, and despite the PS5 being more than a measley RTX 2060, ray tracing certainly won't be getting offered on PS5.

Microsoft take their time with disruption. In fact, I was looking back to the origins of DirectDraw/Direct3D in Windows 95 it turns out DirectX was originally designed to disrupt Japanese companies Nintendo(SNES) and SEGA(MegaDrive) and was originally - distastefully codenamed - The Manhattan Project, before later becoming a focus of yet another Japanese company Sony(PlayStation 2) by Bill Gates to wrestle control of all gaming with his DirectX toolchain- as shown in the venture beat article I cited in response to gaffer: Onevenus many pages back.

Even the problems the CMA highlighted with Microsoft's cloud position and network effects in their TOH (Theory of Harm) from buying ABK and theories of foreclosure strategies all share the DirectX API - closed source, proprietary standard and Microsoft only OSes - as their common thread, as a problem to competition. DirectX is even their weapon of choice of forcing people to upgrade to newer versions of WIndows. Funny how old linux systems could all be patched to use the latest versions of Opengl/Vulkan in their opensource X11 based GUIs, even if the OS was 20years old.

They are just playing the long game with Minecraft - in all likelihood -let's just see how it pans out if this deal gets approved.

 

[Topher]

It should be. There is a possibility that both companies can agree to this.

If this happens, it could strengthen MS position.

It is a big "if".

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

What do you guys think about this news?

Nothing, because I don't think that Microsoft benefits much from Game Pass on Steam. Direct sales there are much more lucrative.

contrary to the analysis of the CMA.

CMA analysis was fed by Sony. I mean Sony was able to portray itself as some weak platform that would die without COD despite having 45% worldwide market share and more than 60-70% in a lot of european markets.

Minecraft they've already withheld a PS5 native version AFAIK

ray tracing certainly won't be getting offered on PS5.

Minecraft does not have a native version for Xbox either and no RT support too. (no idea what Mojang is doing).

The story with PS4 edition is an interesting one though, but mainly Sony to blame.

 

[reksveks]

Minecraft does not have a native version for Xbox either, does it?

Nope, afaik it doesn't but don't think painttinjr cares about that.

Randomly Minecraft got a psvr mode, quest requires a workaround

 

[Ozriel]

Let's see if they draw that same conclusion further on down the line. I've already discussed - at length in this thread - the techniques being deployed on the Minecraft player base to lead them all back to Windows/DirectX/Subscription server versions of the game - instead of the Opengl/Java/free community java self-serving origins of the game pre-acquisition, and with Minecraft they've already withheld a PS5 native version AFAIK, and despite the PS5 being more than a measley RTX 2060, ray tracing certainly won't be getting offered on PS5.

Microsoft take their time with disruption. In fact, I was looking back to the origins of DirectDraw/Direct3D in Windows 95 it turns out DirectX was originally designed to disrupt Japanese companies Nintendo(SNES) and SEGA(MegaDrive) and was originally - distastefully codenamed - The Manhattan Project, before later becoming a focus of yet another Japanese company Sony(PlayStation 2) by Bill Gates to wrestle control of all gaming with his DirectX toolchain- as shown in the venture beat article I cited in response to gaffer: Onevenus many pages back.

Even the problems the CMA highlighted with Microsoft's cloud position and network effects in their TOH (Theory of Harm) from buying ABK and theories of foreclosure strategies all share the DirectX API - closed source, proprietary standard and Microsoft only OSes - as their common thread, as a problem to competition. DirectX is even their weapon of choice of forcing people to upgrade to newer versions of WIndows. Funny how old linux systems could all be patched to use the latest versions of Opengl/Vulkan in their opensource X11 based GUIs, even if the OS was 20years old.

They are just playing the long game with Minecraft - in all likelihood -let's just see how it pans out if this deal gets approved.

When you have to support your arguments with stuff that happened nearly 30 years ago, you know you're on the wrong path.

'Playing the long game' yet Minecraft PS5 matches all the features of the Series X version and all new Minecraft spin-offs or games in the Minecraft universe come to other platforms day and date with xbox, with the same features.

It is possible that both platform can reach in to agreement, which means, there is a possiblity that MS can actually remove COD from PS, should Steam allow gamepass in to their store.

What do you guys think about this news?

Where's the connection between GP on Steam and MS removing COD from PlayStation?

 

[PaintTinJr]

....

CMA analysis was fed by Sony. I mean Sony was able to portray itself as some weak platform that would die without COD despite having 45% worldwide market share and more than 60-70% in a lot of european markets.

It is only about how it impacts competition in the UK - for the CMA - and the info was supplied by the entire industry, not just Sony.

Minecraft does not have a native version for Xbox either and no RT support too. (no idea what Mojang is doing).

The story with PS4 edition is an interesting one though, but mainly Sony to blame.

If Mojang were still an independent game publisher, would those "blames" disappear I wonder? If so, then that is acquisition harm to competition FYI in the eyes of the CMA.

 

[PaintTinJr]

When you have to support your arguments with stuff that happened nearly 30 years ago, you know you're on the wrong path.

Is Bill, that was toting the shotgun in ads - AFAIK from the article I read - for the Doom 95 port for DirectX in Windows 95 no longer alive, and or the largest shareholder - that by his own Netflix 3 part interview has daily contact with top management on Microsoft business decisions?

'Playing the long game' yet Minecraft PS5 matches all the features of the Series X version and all new Minecraft spin-offs or games in the Minecraft universe come to other platforms day and date with xbox, with the same features.

But in a Mojang as a separate company world, PlayStation sales would probably result in both a native version, and RT being added - which would have benefited XsX also getting an RT version released...although there is already a working RT beta for XsX, that was withdrawn, just not one for PS5, so that argument doesn't stack up IMO.

 

[Ozriel]

If Mojang were still an independent game publisher, would those "blames" disappear I wonder? If so, then that is acquisition harm to competition FYI in the eyes of the CMA.

The PS4 has a fully up to date version of Minecraft, built on Bedrock as a free update for all legacy Edition owners. Consumers on PlayStation 4 have a version of the game that's completely at par with minecraft on other platforms at the moment. Good luck spinning that as 'harm'.

 

[ReBurn]

'Playing the long game' yet Minecraft PS5 matches all the features of the Series X version and all new Minecraft spin-offs or games in the

I didn't think Minecraft had native Series or PS5 versions yet. I don't really keep up with it, though.

 

[Ozriel]

Is Bill, that was toting the shotgun in ads - AFAIK from the article I read - for the Doom 95 port for DirectX in Windows 95 no longer alive, and or the largest shareholder - that by his own Netflix 3 part interview has daily contact with top management on Microsoft business decisions?

Bill Gates is not the largest shareholder in Microsoft. Not even close.

Not the first time you've spread misinformation here.
Won't even go into how dramatically different Nadella's vision for MS is compared to the days of Bill Gates.

But in a Mojang as a separate company world, PlayStation sales would probably result in both a native version, and RT being added - which would have benefited XsX also getting an RT version released...although there is already a working RT beta for XsX, that was withdrawn, just not one for PS5, so that argument doesn't stack up IMO.

The irony of you posting this and telling me my argument doesn't stack up

mojang hasn't made an RT version of Minecraft for consoles. All consoles. End of story.

 

[Ozriel]

I didn't think Minecraft had native Series or PS5 versions yet. I don't really keep up with it, though.

It doesn't. It's the same Bedrock version that's running on last gen.
My point to him was that there's no advantage Mojang's reserved for minecraft on Xbox platforms.

 

[DForce]

Nothing, because I don't think that Microsoft benefits much from Game Pass on Steam. Direct sales there are much more lucrative.


CMA analysis was fed by Sony. I mean Sony was able to portray itself as some weak platform that would die without COD despite having 45% worldwide market share and more than 60-70% in a lot of european markets.




Minecraft does not have a native version for Xbox either and no RT support too. (no idea what Mojang is doing).

The story with PS4 edition is an interesting one though, but mainly Sony to blame.

Microsoft is trying to downplay the impact of the acquisitions, and so are many Xbox fans who were on record saying this would be damaging to the PlayStation brand.

"Sony can't compete with Microsoft Cloud"
"Sony can't compete with Game Pass"
"They don't have money to make a Bethesda level acquisition"
"What's stopping Microsoft from acquiring more publishers."

But now it's "they're in last place and Sony is the market leader."

 

[Bartski]

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[DeepEnigma]

I'm seeing a common theme with all these Xbox ambassadors.

A pasta theme.

 

[ReBurn]

It doesn't. It's the same Bedrock version that's running on last gen.
My point to him was that there's no advantage Mojang's reserved for minecraft on Xbox platforms.

It's hard to make points with him because he's still stuck on IE vs. Netscape.

 

[feynoob]

Microsoft is trying to downplay the impact of the acquisitions, and so are many Xbox fans who were on record saying this would be damaging to the PlayStation brand.

"Sony can't compete with Microsoft Cloud"
"Sony can't compete with Game Pass"
"They don't have money to make a Bethesda level acquisition"
"What's stopping Microsoft from acquiring more publishers."

But now it's "they're in last place and Sony is the market leader."

Both are equally true.

MS is dead 3 on all console related, aside of being 2nd in revenue.

While Sony can't compete with MS on cloud and gamespass area, due to them unwilling to invest in those area.

For cloud gaming, they were the first. Instead of investing it, they let it rot.

Something with gamepass. They had psnow, but ignored it.

They are to blame for not making their service lucrative. Same as how MS destroyed itself during xbox one.

 

[feynoob]

I'm seeing a common theme with all these Xbox ambassadors.

A pasta theme.

You are trying to ask fanboys to be original.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Bill Gates is not the largest shareholder in Microsoft. Not even close.

Not the first time you've spread misinformation here.
Won't even go into how dramatically different Nadella's vision for MS is compared to the days of Bill Gates.

Technically Steve Ballmer is the largest individual shareholder with 4.46%, and Bill has 4.3% according to Bing.

The irony of you posting this and telling me my argument doesn't stack up

mojang hasn't made an RT version of Minecraft for consoles. All consoles. End of story.

They withdrew the XsX RT beta version and it did reach the hands of users AFAIK. But even if that weren't the case, that just throws up even more questions. Why not native versions for current consoles- when apparently it is Sony's failure to kiss the Game Pass ring to make it happen on PS5- right?


/edit
https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/how-get-minecraft-ray-tracing-xbox-series-xs/

Is There Minecraft Ray-Tracing on Xbox?

Technically, yes, there is, but you need to do a bit of playing around, noted below. Ray-tracing is available on the Minecraft Preview build of the game on Xbox Series X|S.

In the standard, retail version of the game, ray-tracing is still not available.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

 

[DForce]

Both are equally true.

MS is dead 3 on all console related, aside of being 2nd in revenue.

While Sony can't compete with MS on cloud and gamespass area, due to them unwilling to invest in those area.

For cloud gaming, they were the first. Instead of investing it, they let it rot.

Something with gamepass. They had psnow, but ignored it.

They are to blame for not making their service lucrative. Same as how MS destroyed itself during xbox one.

You missed the point.

Xbox fans were the ones saying they couldn't compete and NOW they're acting like they need this deal to through TO compete.
You also have Microsoft downplaying the impact and popularity of the titles they're trying to acquire.

The fact that Xbox Fans are bringing up install base etc. totally contradicts the things they were saying within the past several years.

 

[feynoob]

You missed the point.

Xbox fans were the ones saying they couldn't compete and NOW they're acting like they need this deal to through TO compete.
You also have Microsoft downplaying the impact and popularity of the titles they're trying to acquire.

The fact that Xbox Fans are bringing up install base etc. totally contradicts the things they were saying within the past several years.

First of all, never try to reason with fanboys logic, no matter what plastic they support. They would go to depth of hell, to defend their corporate overlord.

2nd, MS would use whatever necessary to make sure nothing can block this deal. They are pro at this.

 

[ReBurn]

edit
https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/how-get-minecraft-ray-tracing-xbox-series-xs/

The Minecraft Preview Loses Xbox Ray Tracing Support After It Was Added By Mistake

Microsoft has stated that the feature "doesn't signal near future plans to bring raytracing support to consoles."

www.gamespot.com

It wasn't officially released and was quickly removed but if you go back in time you might be able to give it a shot.

 

[Menzies]

Microsoft is trying to downplay the impact of the acquisitions, and so are many Xbox fans who were on record saying this would be damaging to the PlayStation brand.

"Sony can't compete with Microsoft Cloud"
"Sony can't compete with Game Pass"
"They don't have money to make a Bethesda level acquisition"
"What's stopping Microsoft from acquiring more publishers."

But now it's "they're in last place and Sony is the market leader."

"Xbox fans said this, Xbox fans said that".

Bless you. Where would we all be without you spending your days and nights correcting every single Xbox fan on the Internet. And your ability to call out hypocrisy with the self awareness to do it ironically from one side only.

I think you'll find a decent sprinkling of (shock horror) PS fans have uttered a few of your choice quotes above.

 

[freefornow]

https://itif.org/publications/2022/...blizzard-does-not-raise-foreclosure-concerns/

Is this their public submission to the CMA?

 

[Hendrick's]

100 emails sent and still not one response back from the CMA. Calling the CMA directly to voice my concerns.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Avid Gamer has got to be the latest meme...this shit is incredible.

 

[DForce]

"Xbox fans said this, Xbox fans said that".

Bless you. Where would we all be without you spending your days and nights correcting every single Xbox fan on the Internet. And your ability to call out hypocrisy with the self awareness to do it ironically from one side only.

I think you'll find a decent sprinkling of (shock horror) PS fans have uttered a few of your choice quotes above.

I'm calling how the hypocrisy on this forum. You don't like people getting called out? Then tell the people to stop changing the narrative. You reap what you sow

 

[DForce]

First of all, never try to reason with fanboys logic, no matter what plastic they support. They would go to depth of hell, to defend their corporate overlord.

2nd, MS would use whatever necessary to make sure nothing can block this deal. They are pro at this.

You have people saying Sony is the market leader and then there's nothing to worry about.

But months ago you had people saying Sony was in trouble.

The point: Don't change the narrative.

 

[adamsapple]

"Xbox fans said this, Xbox fans said that".

Bless you. Where would we all be without you spending your days and nights correcting every single Xbox fan on the Internet. And your ability to call out hypocrisy with the self awareness to do it ironically from one side only.

I think you'll find a decent sprinkling of (shock horror) PS fans have uttered a few of your choice quotes above.

It really is a recurring trend in DForce 's posts across this topic. I don't think there's a single post without "Xbox fans" "You people" "You fanboys" etc.

A lot of pent up hostility and anger for some reason.

edit: see lol

 

[reksveks]

You know an argument gone wrong when you go from 'actual feature disparity' to 'potential feature disparity in a theoretical world' but moving on.

 

[DForce]

It really is a recurring trend in DForce 's posts across this topic. I don't think there's a single post without "Xbox fans" "You people" "You fanboys" etc.

A lot of pent up hostility and anger for some reason.

I'm just laughing at the narrative change.

Somehow my post is "anger" but you guys call out people all the time for saying "no one wants to buy an Xbox series S." Look, don't have a problem with my post when you do exactly the same thing.

 

[feynoob]

Is this their public submission to the CMA?

That is what this itif does.

But it seems their words means nothing.

They are pro corporations. Especially the writer. Look at her topics. She is nuts.

https://itif.org/person/julie-carlson/

 

[adamsapple]

Latest from Brad Sams.

 

[feynoob]

You know an argument gone wrong when you go from 'actual feature disparity' to 'potential feature disparity in a theoretical world' but moving on.

The moment you use these kind of words, your argument falls flat.

If this reaches the court, the judge would have a field day. It would entertainment event for the judge.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Randomly Minecraft got a psvr mode,

There was an interesting rumor regarding that and why it happened.

But I cannot check the correct timelines but it is related to crossplay and Sony getting the new version of Minecraft (to replace Java version). Basically Sony did not want to do that, while Microsoft wanted to so they came to the agreement that Mojang would release exclusive PSVR version of Minecraft, and Sony would allow crossplay and new version of Minecraft on Playstation. Something like this.

It is only about how it impacts competition in the UK - for the CMA - and the info was supplied by the entire industry, not just Sony.

And the entire industry is fine with COD and every single third party said that COD has a competition. Only Sony said the opposite while having more than 50% market share in UK and while increasing console prices

Microsoft is trying to downplay the impact of the acquisitions,

There is nothing to overplay there. COD is big but not really a game changer as there are plenty titles that generate comparable revenue and available everywhere. A single big IP won't make or break for Playstation so Sony should hit the road.

For cloud gaming, they were the first. Instead of investing it, they let it rot.

They arguably even killed it as they bought both OnLive and Gaikai and killed OnLive while letting renamed Gaikai rot indeed.

 

[GHG]

Avid Gamer has got to be the latest meme...this shit is incredible.

The moment any of these open with "avid gamer", "real gamer" or containing the word "unbiased" you immediately know what time it is.

Latest from Brad Sams.

People are on their hands and knees. What happened to "nothing to worry about, it will go through without a hitch".

 

[feynoob]

You have people saying Sony is the market leader and then there's nothing to worry about.

But months ago you had people saying Sony was in trouble.

The point: Don't change the narrative.

Welcome to forums.

Most people here, aside of few critical thinkers have no idea of real world.

That is what happens, when you have people agreeing with your view point.

I am really glad for my business and critical thinking classes I took in my college.
Some of the stuff that you see in this forum, is out of the world.

 

[feynoob]

The moment any of these open with "avid gamer", "real gamer" or containing the word "unbiased" you immediately know what time it is.



People are on their hands and knees. What happened to "nothing to worry about, it will go through without a hitch".

My best is this.
" Dear CMA, I think this deal helps Microsoft compete, because Sony money hats their games of xbox. Microsoft are unable to compete with PS tactics. Which is why this deal is important for them to compete ".

 

[GHG]

Welcome to forums.

Most people here, aside of few critical thinkers have no idea of real world.

That is what happens, when you have people agreeing with your view point.

I am really glad for my business and critical thinking classes I took in my college.
Some of the stuff that you see in this forum, is out of the world.

Dude just a few hours ago you were talking about twitter polls being "scientific".

 

[adamsapple]

People are on their hands and knees. What happened to "nothing to worry about, it will go through without a hitch".

Hands and knees ? uhh .. ok

 

[feynoob]

Dude just a few hours ago you were talking about twitter polls being "scientific".

That is class room talk. Blame my professor and textbook for that.

It's not serious talk anyway. Since that poll is a biased poll.