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[SenjutsuSage]

I can't wait to play 30fps CoDs on Nintendo. Or even better, maybe now I can experience the game through cloud and its glorious 200MS latency! What a deal!

There are really people thinking the Nintendo Switch is somehow the very last piece of Nintendo hardware ever.

 

[CatLady]

Pretty hilarious to finally see someone of stature explicitly state that no one does these extended deals like Sony is demanding, and MS was offering contracts well above what is normal.

Gaben and Steam are competitors of Windows Store, but his attitude is the antithesis of Ryan and Sony.

 

[gothmog]

Seems that Gabe belives MS always comes through and Phil is a man of his word. GAF should mail him and cause it knows better

Gabe's in the best position ever. He has control of one of the best gaming ecosystems on earth and has a popular Steam Deck that proves that a linux based gaming handheld that would work if things did get sour with Microsoft. Of course he doesn't need assurances because everyone kisses the Steam ring eventually.

 

[DarkMage619]

Worth saying again - as this isn't Xbox vs Nintendo/PlayStation, but MSFT - but it isn't making "money" for Xbox as they aren't funding a $70b acquisition from their profits.

If anything this argreement was always a win - win for Nintendo whether the deal passes or not, because it now places a verbal commitment on Activision to release CoD on Nintendo whether they wanted to or not, and as Nintendo don't have any leverage to have made that happen in recent years the outcome can only be potentially a game for Ninty IMO.

You cannot separate Xbox from MS. Unlike PlayStation, Xbox is not a separate company from MS. Also Activision is under no obligation to do anything that MS promised if the deal is blocked. The union stuff, the promises to Nintendo and Steam, none of those things would necessarily happen if MS is not in control just like Xbox can not do anything without MS's consent. Like it or not MS is getting Activision to do things they would not do independently.

 

[gothmog]

Nintendo is notorious for delays on their big releases, that was my point. History may repeat itself.

Fair enough. I just thought it was funny that he was speaking like he was in the know when everyone has been guessing that new Switch hardware was coming for the past 3 or so years.

I do love how Nintendo becomes the blunt instrument that Microsoft and Sony use to bash each other over the head. PSWII and now Nintendo/COD.

 

[Dolomite]

At this point Sony should just take the deal. The merger has a good chance of passing and they're best argument just fell on its face.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fair enough. I just thought it was funny that he was speaking like he was in the know when everyone has been guessing that new Switch hardware was coming for the past 3 or so years.

I do love how Nintendo becomes the blunt instrument that Microsoft and Sony use to bash each other over the head. PSWII and now Nintendo/COD.

These big wigs know more than they let on as well. Maybe not the whole picture, but enough.

 

[adamsapple]

These big wigs know more than they let on as well. Maybe not the whole picture, but enough.

Major publishers/developers probably already have access to devkits, and they've been rumoring about devkits for well over a year now.

Where there's smoke and all...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Major publishers/developers probably already have access to devkits, and they've been rumoring about devkits for well over a year now.

Where there's smoke and all...

I was going to write devkits as well, but deleted that part. Even if they don't have physical kits at the moment, they'll be given specs to target for development, and the kits will arrive much later.

 

[feynoob]

Sony might also just be battling for enough concessions, what started as a three year deal is now a 10 year deal after all, and then go out there and buy the likes of Capcom, SE and Kudokawa. If regulators allow AB to go through then it will be basically impossible for them to stop those kind of acquisitions.

It would be 1 purchase at a time. Plus Sony can't buy them all.

Sony isn't dealing with MS here. They will also deal with Nintendo in Japan. Doubt japanese government will allow Sony to have that power.

It's why they can't go purchase spree. Not to mention other big dogs are watching them too.

 

[gothmog]

Major publishers/developers probably already have access to devkits, and they've been rumoring about devkits for well over a year now.

Where there's smoke and all...

I thought those rumors have been widely debunked. I have no doubt that Nintendo is trying out new silicon, but given the struggles Sony and Microsoft had with supply they probably never went beyond internal testing. I have no doubt something is coming at some point but people keep putting it out there like it's some kind of insider info.

 

[Lex Tenebris]

Let's be clear. That gives access to xCloud over the Edge browser just like on iPhone

Sure, without the needs to install windows and done in a collaboration between Ms and Valve. If Valve had something against gamepass, I doubt they would give help for that.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

At this point Sony should just take the deal. The merger has a good chance of passing and they're best argument just fell on its face.

They have zero reason to take the deal regardless of how likely it is to pass

 

[xHunter]

At this point Sony should just take the deal. The merger has a good chance of passing and they're best argument just fell on its face.

Not taking the deal wont lead to no CoD on PS. Microsoft doesnt need a written contract like that to publish ABK games on Playstation.

 

[feynoob]

I thought those rumors have been widely debunked. I have no doubt that Nintendo is trying out new silicon, but given the struggles Sony and Microsoft had with supply they probably never went beyond internal testing. I have no doubt something is coming at some point but people keep putting it out there like it's some kind of insider info.

Don't believe what people are spreading.
I remember switch 2 release debacle.

No one has any info from Nintendo, since their ninja are dangerous.

 

[ManaByte]

They have zero reason to take the deal regardless of how likely it is to pass

It'll be pretty hilarious if Sony doesn't take a 10 year deal, the purchase closes, and then MS pulls COD from the PlayStation but keeps it on Nintendo and Steam all because Sony didn't want the 10 year deal. Something like that would probably cost Jim his job.

 

[feynoob]

Not taking the deal wont lead to no CoD on PS. Microsoft doesnt need a written contract like that to publish ABK games on Playstation.

They need to. MS would own the IP, after the deal is approved.
There needs to be a contract.

 

[feynoob]

They have zero reason to take the deal regardless of how likely it is to pass

They need to.
There is a limit to how much Sony can hold on.

This is dangerous game to play at this point. Especially after this news.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

It'll be pretty hilarious if Sony doesn't take a 10 year deal, the purchase closes, and then MS pulls COD from the PlayStation but keeps it on Nintendo and Steam all because Sony didn't want the 10 year deal. Something like that would probably cost Jim his job.

MS would be giving up a lot of money by doing that but I guarantee you they've run the numbers on what that would mean to their bottom line if they pulled CoD for PlayStation and to be fair, I don't think that would be shocking. If Sony doesn't want to sign any deals and MS isn't forced by regulators to keep CoD multiplat, then MS could easily pull CoD from PS while making Sony look like the bad guys to their fans and investors, while taking some of their customers over to Xbox.

 

[Nautilus]

I don't think they are doing out of the goodness of their heart, but I also doubt they will take it off Nintendo unless it just doesn't sell, because Nintendo has a giant user base, and they buy a hell of a lot of software. CoD on Nintendo could make a shit ton of money for Xbox.

It would, but Sony, MS and Nintendo don't port over their games is for one reason: Control over the ecosystem. Money is the end goal, but having more places to sell isn't the only way to achieve that.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Seems that Gabe belives MS always comes through and Phil is a man of his word. GAF should mail him and cause it knows better

Well on otherEra Gabe was called a loyal gardener so

Switch 2 will probably be around PS4 Pro or Xbox One X at best lol. That is if they want to keep these prices and doing a hybrid console again.

I highly doubt it is gonna be stronger than Steam Deck. And Steam Deck is sold at loss. It might have some DLSS neat features from Nvidia though.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

They have zero reason to take the deal regardless of how likely it is to pass

I don't know the particulars of these types of deals, but if I were MS I'd definitely be incentivising Sony to sign pre deal with favourable conditions that won't be offered if they hold out.

So it won't mean no COD on PS if they don't sign now, but it might mean a worse deal for them if they hold out to try and block the acquisition from happening.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

I don't know the particulars of these types of deals, but if I were MS I'd definitely be incentivising Sony to sign pre deal with favourable conditions that won't be offered if they hold out.

So it won't mean no COD on PS if they don't sign now, but it might mean a worse deal for them if they hold out to try and block the acquisition from happening.

That would be worst case for Sony. If MS owns CoD and is free to do with it as they please, that's a lot of leverage.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So it won't mean no COD on PS if they don't sign now, but it might mean a worse deal for them if they hold out to try and block the acquisition from happening.

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

They need to.
There is a limit to how much Sony can hold on.

This is dangerous game to play at this point. Especially after this news.

Lol, no they don't. Come June and the deal goes through, and Sony still hasn't agreed to a deal, COD is still releasing on PS just as it's releasing on Steam, or the Switch (however that looks)

 

[feynoob]

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

"Contract"
MS can't put their games on PS without a contract

 

[feynoob]

Lol, no they don't. Come June and the deal goes through, and Sony still hasn't agreed to a deal, COD is still releasing on PS just as it's releasing on Steam, or the Switch (however that looks)

Sony has like 2 years left. They need to sign a new one. Or else, they won't get COD

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

"Contract"
MS can't put their games on PS without a contract

Lmao what? No.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

How do you figure? If Sony doesn't sign the deal now, and the regulators don't make MS include language in the deal that would include keeping CoD multiplat, what is to stop MS from brokering a better deal for themselves with Sony, or no deal at all and just pull the game?
I'm not saying any of this is going to happen but its kind of wild to me how so many people here speak so matter of factly on something like this.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

As I said, I don't know all the details of these deals but I imagine there's more to it than COD on PS or No COD on PS.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

As I said, I don't know all the details of these deals but I imagine there's more to it than COD on PS or No COD on PS.

There's nothing more to it.

 

[feynoob]

Lmao what? No.

Yes

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

There's nothing more to it.

Well I highly doubt that, but believe what you want.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

How do you figure? If Sony doesn't sign the deal now, and the regulators don't make MS include language in the deal that would include keeping CoD multiplat, what is to stop MS from brokering a better deal for themselves with Sony, or no deal at all and just pull the game?
I'm not saying any of this is going to happen but its kind of wild to me how so many people here speak so matter of factly on something like this.

Because Microsoft is making this promise to regulators. Any deal or lackof with Sony not withstanding

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Well I highly doubt that, but believe what you want.

So, let's say COD 2026 is out. It's not both PS and Steam. Valve has a contract. Sony does not

What's the difference

 

[quest]

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

But with out parity that is why they should take the deal. Or watch Microsoft have early access to items and even get the game a week early if you get the xbox premium version.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yes

The contract in talks is about obligation. It has fuck all to do what you're thinking about

 

[feynoob]

So, let's say COD 2026 is out. It's not both PS and Steam. Valve has a contract. Sony does not

What's the difference

Difference is that Valve has contract, while Sony doesn't.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

So, let's say COD 2026 is out. It's not both PS and Steam. Valve has a contract. Sony does not

What's the difference

Maybe there's a difference in revenue share, marketing rights, timing of content. As I said, I don't know all the finer points but even the relatively tiny contract deals Ive been involved with have items for negotiation that can make deals better or worse. It's how all businesses works.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Maybe there's a difference in revenue share, marketing rights, timing of content. As I said, I don't know all the finer points but even the relatively tiny contract deals Ive been involved with have items for negotiation that can make deals better or worse. It's how all businesses works.

So fuck all difference

 

[feynoob]

The contract in talks is about obligation. It has fuck all to do what you're thinking about

Dude, Sony doesn't have any contract that is extending the game beyond the current contract.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Dude, Sony doesn't have any contract that extending the game beyond the current contract.

The fuck are you even talking about? The contract is about a legally binding obligation on Microsoft's part to release COD on PS. It's not a requirement TO release COD on PS

 

[DeepEnigma]

It'll be pretty hilarious if Sony doesn't take a 10 year deal, the purchase closes, and then MS pulls COD from the PlayStation but keeps it on Nintendo and Steam all because Sony didn't want the 10 year deal. Something like that would probably cost Jim his job.

Yep. Because smart business is to alienate the largest revenue/profit base that game produces. Especially after purchasing a publisher for $70billion.

Thankfully, most execs don't think like the goofy gaming hottakes.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Difference is that Valve has contract, while Sony doesn't.

Read the question again. Carefully this time.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

So fuck all difference

Must wonder why Sony are paying for these conditions in their current deals then.

 

[feynoob]

The fuck are you even talking about? The contract is about a legally binding obligation on Microsoft's part to release COD on PS. It's not a requirement TO release COD on PS

MS can't put cod on Sony devices without a fucking contract.
You have to sign a contract to release the fucking game on those devices.

That is what the contract is for.

Read the question again. Carefully this time.

Because your question is wrong.

MS entered a legal binding contract. Any time Xbox gets COD, Valve and switch would get them. That is what the recent news was about.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Must wonder why Sony are paying for these conditions in their current deals then.

Yes, and these are conditions that aren't going to be part of the 10 year contract.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Yes, and these are conditions that aren't going to be part of the 10 year contract.

Sounds like Sony will be getting a worse deal then.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

MS can't put cod on Sony devices without a fucking contract.
You have to sign a contract to release the fucking game on those devices.

That is what the contract is for.

Because your question is wrong.

MS entered a legal binding contract. Any time Xbox gets COD, Valve and switch would get them. That is what the recent news was about.

This 10 year contract has fuck all to do with that you muppet.

 

[CatLady]

There is no worse deal. They don't need to sign anything. COD is coming to PS regardless

I think it's probably better for MS if Sony doesn't sign now.

For one it's now obvious Sony is disingenuous and unreasonable in their arguments and demands, and two if it passes without Sony signing anything Xbox can dictate the terms of any contract after the deal passes and won't be required to deal with any of Sony's frivolous and unreasonable demands.