Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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akimbo009
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That's not the basis or branding of Azure. It's mostly deprecated but still used for Office365 etc. If the point is they acquire companies that they integrate into their ecosystem - then yes, that's true. But that's not entirely novel - and even if true only supports their ability to not be incompetent and be successful in acquisitions.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Groove Networks is Azure, only the branding changed.
Kagey K
Banned
If the FTC keeps going and suing cases they can't win based on feelings, they are going to end up even more toothless and neutered than they already are.
feynoob
Banned
The problem is lina khan has no experience in court system, its why ftc keep losing.
They need to get some one with experience on that field.
OsirisBlack
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Office isn't a failure at all but is definitely an example of their extreme greed and anti consumer business practices. You do know there was a time when you bought windows you got everything in that one package. Once Microsoft realized they were the only game in town they sold it to you piece by piece. They love us consumers.
feynoob
Banned
Office is part of a new trend, which is licensing your product.
It makes sense that way, as you are guanrenteed more customers.
Every program and software has a 1-3 year license, and would be useless after the license expires. This is to stop theft, and pirating, as online products can be pirated easily.
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OsirisBlack
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I get it, it's still anti consumer as shit.
feynoob
Banned
Not really. Its the nature of business. Nothing anti consumer about it.
You have to renew subscribtion services every year, so licenses.
Goalus
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"If you look at the global market, Sony has 70% of that market, and we have 30%. So the first thing a judge is going to have to decide is whether the FTC lawsuit is a case that will promote competition or is it really instead of case that will protect the largest competitor from competition."
Nothing to add here.
Nothing to add here.
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12Dannu123
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Interesting that the FTC and CMA imply that Nintendo is not a competitor. So does that Nintendo is a monopoly in the low performance market and should be broken up? Does this also mean that Microsoft in theory can acquire Nintendo because they aren't competitors?
akimbo009
Member
Nope.
akimbo009
Member
Where's this quote from?
HoofHearted
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Assuming you're referring to Office being packaged with Windows - Since when?
IIRC - Word and Excel were always sold separately (and extremely expensive - i.e. $300-$500 range) until they finally packaged them together with PowerPoint, etc., as Microsoft Office. Word was MS's answer to WordPerfect and WordStar in the early days.
There was a very basic word editor included with Windows - but it was extremely limited compared to what you could accomplish with Word.
DeepEnigma
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Oh the horror. Not wanting anyone to buy up all the third party publishers. What a horrible "script."
Ya goofy ass clowns.
DeepEnigma
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"Worship the gobbling of the industry cause it's much team doing it." - this you
Edit: laugh all you want buttercup. Your reasons are painfully transparent. "Go team go rah rah rah! Teehees!"
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
From this article. You have to be careful about how you carve up a market. No matter how how you slice it MS is not in a market dominating position in gaming. 60%+ is considered a monopoly. MS does not have anywhere near that marketshare.
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Topher
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Sorry guys. I've been busy as hell lately. I'm going to shotgun reply...
-Thats fucking stupid. Only idiots think that.
-False equivalence. Try harder
-Dafuq does that have to do with anything?
-Good point. And yeah, you were right in your PMs to me when you talked about what a dumbass that guy is
-lol
-No....not me. Well.....maybe on Saturday nights
-While your head is up in there, say hi to your pancreas for me
No time to quote directly so ya'll figure it out who those are to.
Ok....back to work
-Thats fucking stupid. Only idiots think that.
-False equivalence. Try harder
-Dafuq does that have to do with anything?
-Good point. And yeah, you were right in your PMs to me when you talked about what a dumbass that guy is
-lol
-No....not me. Well.....maybe on Saturday nights
-While your head is up in there, say hi to your pancreas for me
No time to quote directly so ya'll figure it out who those are to.
Ok....back to work
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Unlike you I don't suffer from self-delusion, I'm fully aware of my extreme preference for Xbox and have never denied it. Sony is so smug, entitled and arrogant mainly due to people like yourself that will defend and justify any and everything Sony does. I'd love to see Sony get knocked down a peg or ten. I'd love to see all those games go to Game Pass although I will admit ABK would not have been my first choice as an acquisition.
I do also enjoy Jimbo's ridiculous demands, arrogant entitlement and whining and crying. Would love to see more,it's super entertaining.
Do you seriously think your reasons aren't painfully transparent to everyone except yourself?
DeepEnigma
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Sorry, I don't participate in .gif discussions.
DeepEnigma
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You only participate to war.
R3claimer117
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This is the stupidity in their arguments and why they'll get laughed out of court narrowing the market down to Sony and Microsoft is so dumb cause they'll win on these merits easily.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
You weirdo, WTF is this?
akimbo009
Member
Roll tide, I guess?
Topher
Identifies as young
//DEVIL//
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aside from the weird keyboard warrior fights you having with Enigma, I do agree with what you said about sony. they are smug and they do need to get knocked down or get slapped hard. and I hate this shrimp Jimbo. like I really hate him as CEO. I do not care if people love him because he is making a short-term profit. The only reason I want this deal to go through just so I see this bitch cry or fired for failing to protect the sony investment.
I grew up on the PlayStation brand. and I loved them for their awesome Japanese games. when they took chances with awesome great IPs.
like.. fuck Horizon Zero banana and the last of the retards. they were awesome at first but fuck move on. I tried to play Horizon the other day, I swear I almost fell asleep just listening to her talking to a random NPC about a village getting attacked and I need to go save them. like, fuck why?
Even the new God of war is former of what it was during 1 - 3. they have the talent. they have the best-talented studios in the world. whatever they make is gold. let them make something new !! . but no Jimbo shrimp wants quick profit now before he retires.
BiohazardX95
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I loved horizon and I want Sony studios to keep doing those games, So that part is very subjective, I would like them to make different games too.
HoofHearted
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A mind dump of epic proportions…You weirdo, WTF is this?
akimbo009
Member
What's this mean... They have a diverse set of games.. you mean less 3rd person POV? I think they over play a vibe but Sony games are - or traditionally - have been diverse.
ReBurn
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If the Supreme Court rules next summer that companies the FTC sues can bypass their administrative court and go straight to district court it's going to get a lot tougher for them. Given the make up of the court they probably will. Their main tactic right now is to use it to delay so they can try to force settlements or just get companies to give up.
akimbo009
Member
Do you mean Sony? Cause bypassing and going to the court should be in MS favor...
bitbydeath
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Yes.
https://news.microsoft.com/2005/03/...anywhere-collaboration-products-and-services/
Sound familiar?
https://news.microsoft.com/2005/03/...anywhere-collaboration-products-and-services/
Oh look, Ray has a new product that has the same features of his old product!
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ray-ozzie-announces-windows-azure/
ReBurn
Gold Member
It would definitely be in Microsoft's favor to go straight to district court. The FTC has to prove that the merged entity of Microsoft and Activision will be illegal, not that it could be illegal, and it will be tougher to do that outside of their administrative court. Ultimately it gets to district court anyway if Microsoft has the patience to keep appealing, it could just get there faster if the Supreme Court extends due process protection to companies tangled in FTC red tape.
I'm not a fan of corporations being extended the same constitutional rights as citizens, but if it happens the FTC's internal process may not be able to stonewall companies as easily as they can now.
akimbo009
Member
Are you using a citation from 17 years ago in this industry?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Yes, I'm citing official news from Microsoft.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FTC is operating on the litigation, not investigation strategy. And Biding time.
How likely are they to succeed in the court ?
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MasterCornholio
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Guys relax
akimbo009
Member
Stop being stupid. Office365 has nothing to do with cloud computing and Azure isn't really cited to start 5-6 years later. You aren't even close. This is a huge derail so happy to have it elsewhere but this ain't it.
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No and yes are great explanations. People leaving and forming their own studios has nothing to do with acquisitions. If anything it contradicts your other point about "improved working conditions".Yes
Yes
Yes
Reality. There are plenty of examples:
No.
Your are only focused in Acti-Blizz.
This deal goes beyond them, outside Xbox.
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DenchDeckard
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Looks like some more scotch bonnet peppers are being added to the stew!
GHG
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Someone didn't read the CMA documents.
You've got at least another year of this and you think other people are fearful and crying? That's an interesting one.
It's from Brad Smith, vice chairman of MS. It's not from an article
ChiefDada
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Umm I'm not sure why you're bringing up this case as comparison. I feel like sometimes (not always) you post tangential information without the crucial context that is needed to understand. VR is a relatively nascent market, console industry is not. We can easily define markets and submarkets for appropriate antitrust inquiries surrounding Activision/CoD. FTC will have a much more difficult time with such identification for Meta case, although I understand what they are trying to avoid. Furthermore, we have hard data in the form of years worth of financial information from all three current console manufacturers that support the supposition that, AS IT RELATES TO THE CoD IP AND DEAL UNDER REVIEW, MICROSOFT AND SONY ARE THE KEY PLAYERS AND SONY IS THE KEY COMPETITOR THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE HARMED, THUS INDIRECTLY HARMING CONSUMERS BY WAY OF REDUCED COMPETITION.
For those who are pro Microsoft, please read the bolded at least 5x and really understand antitrust fundamentals before responding with the tired rebuttal of what is and isn't the FTC/regulators' job.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
The article quotes Brad Smith. Who cares? It doesn't change the reality that MS is not leading the gaming market and is not a monopoly. If Sony has 70% of the market they certainly don't need protection. No competitor should unless laws are being broken.It's from Brad Smith, vice chairman of MS. It's not from an article
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