Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Banjo64
cumsessed
In the UK, Xbox's second biggest market, there's 6 games between them. One is a paid release and the other is free to play. They are both behind Skyrim, Farming Simulator etc so I doubt we're talking big numbers here.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
In the US store Halo is at #3 and Sea of Thieves is at like 18 or something.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah but US is poo poo compared to UK.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I used Steam and both Xbox, but yeah, ignore the part that doesn't fit your narrative.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes I saw it, you also mentioned how Halo is much higher on the xbox most played count versus Sea of Thieves.
But then you still used the Steam count to pass judgment that somehow Sea of Thieves was a bigger success and Halo was not being played by anyone.
I saw it and it was just as baffling as the post I quoted.
This opinion deserves to be thrown in the boston harbor along with your tea !
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Halo picked up a bit since the Forge update.
Battlefield also increased after the Season 3 update. The game is now in the top 50 of most Xbox games played list.
feynoob
Banned
US has bigger audience on xbox, unlike UK.
I dont know the list on UK, but if halo is higher on US, then it has healthy userbase.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I used to check most Xbox games played list weekly and Sea of Thieves has been in the middle of the pack of most Xbox games played list. I also mentioned that Halo received a small boost in players due to a recent update.
Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I never said Halo was not being played anymore. I clearly said that there are signs that Halo failed to meet expectations. I quoted an Xbox insider and the player charts on both Xbox and Steam.
Here is how I judged Sea of Thieves versus Halo because you obviously ignored half of what I said.
Sales
Halo's multiplayer is free-to-play. People who played the campaign played it through Game Pass. The retail sales/digital sales were very low based on the sales charts that tracked both physical AND digital sales.
And don't give me the "It's on Game Pass" because we know Game Pass hurts retail sales and so did the free-to-play release. The fact still remains that Sea of Thieves saw success in other areas compared to Halo.
Steam
Sea of Thieves has sold well ever since it was released on Steam. It also has a much healthier player base on steam compared to Halo. There's no disputing this.
Xbox
Sea of Thieves sold about 300k in its first month during its Xbox release, likely more than Halo sold in retail all year. Sea of Thieves did drop out of the charts fast after the first month, but still something to take into account. It all go towards the success of Sea of Thieves. Sea of Thieves has been around 20-30 range on most played Xbox games for years/months. Halo has been around 20/30 within the first year. There are higher expectations for Halo Infinite, so Halo being in the same range as Sea of Thieves was not expected before the game was released.
343
You weren't paying attention to this part. Bonnie Ross leaving 343, which appears to be a total overhaul of the Halo team shows clear signs that it likely didn't meet their expectations.
You made the false assumption that I judged the game's success on the steam charts alone when I looked at many of these factors above.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
feynoob
Banned
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Bro are you from Denmark?
That's from a danish TV show.
bxrz
Member
"Not every game's design can support the level of visual detail they produce"
You know internet search engines exists, right?
You know they're talking about graphics right? Like I originally said. You didn't read what you posted…
1. You made an excuse for why Sony abandoned the FPS genre. Point is, they still didn't replace their first party FPS IPs. Stop making excuses for why they didn't replace them. Nobody cares about why.
2. Selling the IP is even worse than axing. Those games help built up the PS1, Sony's entry to console gaming". Crash was Playstation's mascot. Instead of keeping them and building upon them as gaming revolutionized, they sold them for… a quick buck?
3. Destruction Allstars hasnt come close to replacing Twisted Metal. Destruction Allstars died weeks after launch. To compare it to something like Twisted Metal Black/TW2 is pure comedy. Sony never confirmed a new Twisted Metal game. You're referring to "leakers", who have been notoriously wrong regarding Sony this gen
4. No, they are stating their case. Talking to the media is a part of the process. Nobody is crying.
Dick Jones
Banned
I reposted it since basic research appears tough for you. You can ask someone to read it to you if that helps.
You incorrectly claimed they only spoke about graphics. which is not true based on the above. You are either illiterate or a troll.
bxrz
Member
Halo is not CoD. Thinking they are was idiotic to begin with
bxrz
Member
WrongI reposted it since basic research appears tough for you. You can ask someone to read it to you if that helps.
You incorrectly claimed they only spoke about graphics. which is not true based on the above. You are either illiterate or a troll.
Pelta said "Where MS' released their internal review of TLOU2 where they stated internally, that they don't have the talent to create something remotely close to TLOU."
I replied and said that when MS stated that (and they didn't even state that implicitly, Pelta was wrong about that too but thats another conversation), they were talking about graphics only. "Visual detail" was the exact words they used and its in the 2nd to last paragraph of the report.
You jumped in the conversation just to show everyone that you have the reading comprehension of a toddler?
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Pelta88
Member
You seem flustered...
Nobody said Halo is COD. Just that Microsoft has a history of extremely poor studio management. I also stated that Microsoft's internal review of TLOU stated the game was beyond capabilities and you response was that that was untrue.
Dick Jones
posted the internal document... From Microsoft's legal submission to the courts and still you're here like
So Imma let you dive deeper into your own realm where Microsoft's statements to regulators about Sony having better games is not documented. A world where and Microsoft's internal TLOU review, which was not intended to be public, doesn't hold that IP as being beyond what they believe is capable on console and PC. And a world where Microsoft doesn't have a 20+ year history of abysmal studio management.
And let you continue your immature response of name calling because the documented facts... Don't fit the narrative you prefer to tell yourself.
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bxrz
Member
Nobody is flustered. Just letting you know that Halo and COD aren't comparable and its stupid to compare them or look at them in the same light.You seem flustered...
Nobody said Halo is COD. Just that Microsoft has a history of extremely poor studio management. I also stated that Microsoft's internal review of TLOU stated the game was beyond capabilities and you response was that that was untrue.
And let you continue your immature response of name calling because the documented facts... Don't fit the narrative you prefer to tell yourself.
What you originally said was wrong, just like how you saying "Thats what I thought about Halo" is idiotic. But it doesn't look like you do much thinking to begin with so here we are
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Pelta88
Member
You're still trying to shift the argument to give the your soapbox some relevancy. My post was and still is about "studio management." But in a gaming forum, full of hardcore gamers the argument is sticking with is that
Pelta88
doesn't know the difference between Halo and COD... It's immature.Equally as immature with your reluctance to accept Microsoft's internal review about TLOU2. But at least in that instance, the receipts speak to your reasoning.
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bxrz
Member
I don't need to shift anything. You were wrong, multiple times.You're still trying to shift the argument to give the your soapbox some relevancy. My post was and still is about "studio management." But in a gaming forum, full of hardcore gamers the argument is sticking with is that
Equally as immature with your reluctance to accept Microsoft's internal review about TLOU2. But at least in that instance, the receipts speak to your reasoning.
Halo and COD are nothing alike. FACT
When Xbox said those things, they were talking about visuals only. FACT
Your reading comprehension skills clearly need work because this is now the 3rd time I'm telling you this and you're still failing to understand this
And then you went all the way back to posts from over 2 YEARS ago that are completely irrelevant to this current conversation and you think you did something? You're clearly flustered to do something like that because you refuse to admit you were wrong in this instance. But it's true, you were wrong and it's time to move on now
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akimbo009
Member
As an aside, it would be funny if Xbox turned spryo or crash into their mascots...
akimbo009
Member
Greenberg is that you?
Ya found me.
Pelta88
Member
Microsoft back to claiming they're the underdog in gaming, again. While they wait to buy another publisher for 68 Billion. 28 Billion over asking...
www.wsj.com
Microsoft Prepares to Go to Battle With FTC Over Activision Deal
The software company says the deal “is fundamentally good for gamers” and wouldn’t threaten competition in the industry.
www.wsj.com
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Money doesn't guarantee success in any industry. MS was an underdog as soon as they got into video games with other older entrenched competitors. It also reinforces the point that MS will still be smaller than Sony even after they purchase Activision.Microsoft back to claiming they're the underdog in gaming, again. While they wait to buy another publisher for 68 Billion. 28 Billion over asking...
Microsoft Prepares to Go to Battle With FTC Over Activision Deal
The software company says the deal “is fundamentally good for gamers” and wouldn’t threaten competition in the industry.
pasterpl
Member
What's so strange about it? Isn't even this forum a place where we are reminded daily that Xbox has no games, that they will never outsell Playstation? That all games by MS a trash compared to likes of Sony? That MS is destroying the games industry? That their market share is small etc. - blue team on this forum daily hits MS with some crazy threads how they are bad/horrible company that will kill the whole industry for various reasons.
Their(MS) market share compared to other platform holders is smaller, it is a fact = they are underdog.
How much money they have or how much they are willing to spend has nothing to do with that. I understand that you are Sony fan and have some underlying hate for MS, but it is just another of your shitposts bringing nothing to the conversation trying to make fun of MS. I sort of understand you, seen lots of Xbox fun's making jokes when Jim Ryan was throwing tantrums like a child because of this deal, embarrassing himself and Sony.
Does it really hurt you so much that MS basically can buy any other company on the planet that are willing to sell(if regulators don't see anything wrong with it?)? It is not MS fault that Sony cannot outbid them when it comes to big leagues, they are different level.
Btw. did you even bother to read the whole article you have linked to?
Pelta88
Member
Your AVI? Everything!
I still have trouble reading your posts and responding properly because of it. Did you lose an avi bet?It was more in jest.
Obviously, money doesn't guarantee success in any industry. But the market sentiment does find comedic value whenever XBOX, a division in the worlds most successful company, claims it's at a disadvantage while simultaneously trying to slide 68 Billion into ATVI. Especially when they're overpaying by $25 per share which is unheard of.
Note I said market. I'm not talking about what's said here or era
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Are you going to ignore all the doom-and-gloom posts from Xbox Fans after the Zenimax acquisition from Xbox fans? Or what about after it was announced that MS was going to be acquiring ABK?
The truth is, Xbox has been struggling to release first-party games on Xbox for years now and it's very apparent that's a major problem with Xbox. So the "Xbox has no games" is how they currently stand now and people know they'll be more productive in the future.
But Xbox can't play this "we're underdogs" narrative after telling people Sony is going to be in trouble for more than a year now. Don't forget that Xbox fans were saying who is going to stop Microsoft from buying more publishers and saying Sony can't afford to do the same.
pasterpl
Member
Yes. I have lost avatar bet and as a man of my word I wear bunny sexy Aaron everyday proudly.Your AVI? Everything!
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Did a triple post in another thread, consolidated down here for this thread, where it is more relevant. I just don't see how the FTC even gets to their own assertions about console competition or if they are correct about MS lying regarding exclusive or changing tact in the future. The net result is still -
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Buy a pro strap knock-off for that stat. The default strap is horrible.It's nice to have a console debate.
Meanwhile I tricked my little in to buying this toy
SportsFan581
Member
Very true. Plus, the hard numbers heavily favor this position anyway.
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feynoob
Banned
I would have to. She is been busy playing it nonstop.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's nice to have a console debate.
Meanwhile I tricked my little in to buying this toy
your little in ?
wat ?
feynoob
Banned
It was my sister.
Keyboard is failing me hard.
bender
What time is it?
Ezekiel_
Banned
Is that platform (TGP) available in the US?
Is that platform (TGP) available in the UK?
Is that platform (TGP) available in Europe?
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feynoob
Banned
She trash talking Infront of me with here quest 2.
I regret my decision alot now.
bender
What time is it?
feynoob
Banned
I know. I am cringing hard here.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
That's what gets me about so many replies and yours specifically. The FTC and regulation is not about "if" it's there nor the economies of scale/sales performance specifically. The FTC is about "could" competition be there and compete fairly. The competitive opportunity is there to do so and will be for decades to come, in any region Tencent or Nintendo choose.
Are you and the FTC actually trying to say MS and ActiBliz is solely responsible for blocking the US/UK/Euro markets for Tencent or Nintendo (if you accept Switch or no Nintendo traditional console box) to enter those regional console markets? GoodLuck.gif.
Look at Stadia or Luna or GeForce Now, they've launched in lots of regions too. Reasonable to assume direct competition and overlap from a streaming device to the living/bedroom TV, just like a console does?
Deduct 3 points from Ezekiel.
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Ezekiel_
Banned
For any hypothetical new entrant in the high performance console market, I think it's reasonable to assume that not having ABK content on it would lessen it's competitive impact.
It's one of the FTC's arguments :
Now, would it be impossible to compete, maybe not. It's not required to foresee the future, they only need a reasonable assumption.
Tencent can try launching a high performance console in the west without support from the major western third party publishers. See how it goes.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
From what I can tell whenever you purchase a publicly traded company you usually overpay. There was not really a situation where MS would have been able to purchase Activision for the share price because you'd have to convince all the shareholders that it is worth it to sell. You aren't going to get it by trying to undercut the price. Still has nothing to do with MS being an underdog in gaming it's a completely different concept.
feynoob
Banned
Topher
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
But you're conflating your point with non-existent realities e.g. Tencent already have major third-party publishers as partners or part owned etc. Missing COD ain't the be all and end all. Especially when you add up all the other third party FPS campaign and multiplayer games out there. The sum of the parts exceeds the major player, COD in revenue. COD isn't a must have how it is being portrayed. Just like in your reply.
Also, sure Jan, similar to how Tencent/TGP made PUBG exclusive in China? Right? /S
Also, sure Jan, simiar to how Tencent already own chunks of third party devs? Like the below -
TENCENT OWNERSHIP
| Studio | Location | Percentage owned |
|---|---|---|
| Funcom | Norway | 100% |
| Leyou | Hong Kong | 100% |
| Riot Games | U.S. | 100% |
| Sharkmob | Sweden | 100% |
| Turtle Rock | U.S. | 100% |
| Wake Up Interactive | Hong Kong | 100% |
| Supercell | Finland | 84% |
| Grinding Gear Games | New Zealand | 80% |
| Epic Games | U.S. | 40% |
| Pocket Gems | Japan | 38% |
| Sea Limited (Garena) | Singapore | 25.60% |
| Dontnod Entertainment | France | 22.63% |
| Bloober Team | Poland | 22% |
| Marvelous | Japan | 20% |
| Netmarble | South Korea | 17.66% |
| Kakao | South Korea | 13.50% |
| Bluehold Studio | South Korea | 11.50% |
| Frontier Developments | U.K. | 9% |
| Sumo Group | U.K. | 8.75% |
| Kadokawa Corporation (FromSoftware, Spike Chunsoft) | Japan | 6.86% |
| Activision Blizzard | U.S. | 5% |
| Paradox Interactive | Sweden | 5% |
| Ubisoft | France | 5% |
| Remedy Entertainment | Finland | 3.80% |
| 1C Entertainment | Poland | Majority |
| 10 Chambers Collective | Sweden | Majority |
| Fatshark | Sweden | Majority |
| Klei Entertainment | Canada | Majority |
| Miniclip | Switzerland | Majority |
| Yager Development | Germany | Majority |
| Bohemia Interactive | Czech Republic | Minority |
| Offworld Industries | Canada | Minority |
| Payload Studios | U.K. | Minority |
| Playtonic Games | U.K. | Minority |
| Voodoo | France | Minority |
| Aiming | Japan | Undisclosed |
| Discord | U.S. | Undisclosed |
| Inflexion Games | Canada | Undisclosed |
| Lockwood Publishing | U.K. | Undisclosed |
| PlatinumGames | Japan | Undisclosed |
| Roblox | U.S. | Undisclosed |
Looks like a lot of regional markets and holdings to me. But MS/ActiBliz is the monopoly bad guy right?
The funniest part of this case is if you actually want a western console competitor sustainable in the marketplace the MS/ActiBliz deal is likely a major cornerstone of West vs East being competitive long term.
Cheezewizz
Banned
It's sad seeing so many people jump onto a bandwagon like this. Just because some regulator like the FTC had to create a specific term in order to make their (Sony's) case (Which still fails on several other fronts), doesn't mean that it's based on logic.
You know your argument is lacking when you have to state things such as "For any hypothetical new entrant in the high performance console market". That term literally did not exist a few months ago. Consoles were just consoles, and they all competed with each other for consumers time and money.
It's just frustrating that we have to wait for this argument to be dismantled in court, and deemed completely illogical. While in the meantime, we have to listen to every PS fanboy use it in bad faith arguments, while pretending it's actually applicable.
I mean, certainly you realize that once this narrative is officially destroyed, how silly your argument will look no? Likewise, just because governments work slow and can take months to go to court doesn't mean that we have to wait that long to conclude what the courts eventually will do we?
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