Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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I don't even think he leaves if the deal closes! If you look at the recent FOX Business article, it states that "he's staying EVEN if the deal falls through", which implicitly tells you that he expects to stay on if the deal closes.

Fuck, if the deal actually closes, I can even see him beheading Spencer and taking his spot! That man is one of the biggest people in the gaming industry for a reason, and it ain't because he's a nice guy.

This talk of Kotick leaving is just MS propaganda imo. There's zero chance they let him leave when he's brought more gaming revenue than anyone there!

Yeah agree. The mood music seemed to be changing as the deal closure approached and Kotick seemed pretty settled.

In a sense this deal was enough of a distraction for people to forget about Kotick and the reported misdeeds. Convenient… for him…. And MS got to him at a time when he needed a distraction so they were witting (or worse unwitting) accomplices in Kotick's whitewashing.

I don't think individuals and their improprieties should be used as an enabler for business deals that affect millions though.

Get justice and Kotick out through established means - court cases against him and/or shareholder activism, not relying on business to "do the right moral thing".

Actually this falling through is probably the end of him and Phil Spencer if only for appearances so both sides can move on - whether that is a satisfactory outcome for the people who felt victimised is a question. I'd assume they'd prefer their day in court with him rather than a wave off with a handshake full of gold.
 
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haha alright moving on.
 
For the CMA their decision is not directly contestable in court. Best MS could do is try to appeal on grounds of procedural irregularities - but that doesn't overturn the decision.

Here we go - from a legal website thing

"…meaning the applicant must show that the CMA acted irrationally, illegally or with procedural impropriety. The CAT will not engage with the merits of the CMA's decision or conduct a wholesale review of the parties' evidence. In practice this means that applicants face a high threshold when seeking to overturn a merger decision, which is reflected in the statistics: the CMA has won 67% of all merger appeals since 2010.

Even if an applicant successfully appeals the CMA's substantive assessment in a merger, the CAT will not make a fresh decision, but will instead remit the case back to the CMA for further review –typically by the same decision makers and case team as previously. This may not be an attractive prospect, particularly if the deal economics or environment have changed since the transaction was first signed (months or years previously).
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I don't think an outright block, or requiring divestment and not leaving the door open for behavioral remedies would qualify as irrational, illegal or the other one.

If I'm wrong, and not giving Microsoft the opportunity to suggest behavioral remedies would be seen as irrational or illegal, then okay. But if the CMA didn't have to leave the door open and they did, it means there is a non-zero chance that they'll accept behavioral remedies.
 
Watching people contort, backflip, cry with their lips pressed together while fantasizing that the deal isn't dead, is incredible.

Like it's literally in black and white, printed, documented, and sent to all relevant parties. But the fan theories about how Microsoft can still get COD is worth its weight in gold. I've never laughed this much on a gaming forum since Craig.
 
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Some people continue to ignore the fact that Microsoft considered leaving the market already. It was only the promise of GamePass revenue that stayed the hammer.

And it is clear that hasn't been a success yet, hence the nuclear option of buying ABK.

Short of this ABK deal not going through, Microsoft probably doesn't have any big established system seller type games for the next 2 years if not more. 2023 is going to be a bad year for Xbox sales and depending on how Starfield does, 2024 could be a barren year. The more xbox sales dry up and let's not pretend that they can't as it is happened in the past, the less likely Microsoft is to stay the course.

I'm not saying they're definitely going to leave the market, but this idea that they definitely won't is the actual fantasy.

Sell it to valve.

Everybody wins.
 
Some people continue to ignore the fact that Microsoft considered leaving the market already. It was only the promise of GamePass revenue that stayed the hammer.

And it is clear that hasn't been a success yet, hence the nuclear option of buying ABK.

Short of this ABK deal not going through, Microsoft probably doesn't have any big established system seller type games for the next 2 years if not more. 2023 is going to be a bad year for Xbox sales and depending on how Starfield does, 2024 could be a barren year. The more xbox sales dry up and let's not pretend that they can't as it is happened in the past, the less likely Microsoft is to stay the course.

I'm not saying they're definitely going to leave the market, but this idea that they definitely won't is the actual fantasy.

Is this fan fiction......

.....No games for 2023, no system sellers?

...No games for 2024....where are you pulling this from?
 
Watching people contort, backflip, cry with their lips pressed together while fantasizing that the deal isn't dead, is incredible.

Like it's literally in black and white, printed, documented, and sent to all relevant parties. But the fan theories about how Microsoft can still get COD is worth its weight in gold. I've never laughed this much on a gaming forum since Craig.
I miss Craig, they should've put him on the box
 
Is this the current state of gaming journalism?

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The best bit about this is that he doesn't understand the meaning of precedent. He literally thinks that Microsoft can just go down the list of publishers if they don't get Acti. He's totally unaware that this ruling effectively ends Microsoft's pursuit of purchasing publishers if a relevant party has a genuine objection to such a deal.

Forget COD. The CMA just told Microsoft to go build and manage talent. Something XBOX has been failing at for 26 years.
 
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I don't think an outright block, or requiring divestment and not leaving the door open for behavioral remedies would qualify as irrational, illegal or the other one.

If I'm wrong, and not giving Microsoft the opportunity to suggest behavioral remedies would be seen as irrational or illegal, then okay. But if the CMA didn't have to leave the door open and they did, it means there is a non-zero chance that they'll accept behavioral remedies.
Yes, true. 2.38% to be precise, as I mentioned in a couple of my previous comments.
 
Is this the current state of gaming journalism?

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Microsoft could buy Atlus without buying Sega? Is Sega selling? Also if the deal does or does not go through wouldn't Microsoft have to cool their jets on Acquistions either way? If they get the deal, they are really going to be seen as greedy and monopolistic if they go for more right away. If they don't get Activision, all the precedents for them not getting that deal can be used against them time and time again for whatever they pursue in the future. If they win, at least they have Activision for the time being, but if they lose, I would think that would hurt them more in the future, to the extent that trying to get Activision will be an albatross for them that they should have never attempted.
 
The silence from Microsoft/Xbox has been deafening. This is so unlike them as an organisation.

Why so shy all of a sudden?

Come Austin Powers GIF
Spencer has been locked by Nadella in a basement awaiting for his punishment :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Seriously yes, it's the typical silence that speaks volumes...it's clear that internally they need to understand if it's worth to go on with the deal and are discussing about it.
Activision fears that MS might decide to jump out and has been way more aggressive to send a signal to not give up otherwise they won't get the money they wanted.
 
I don't think an outright block, or requiring divestment and not leaving the door open for behavioral remedies would qualify as irrational, illegal or the other one.

If I'm wrong, and not giving Microsoft the opportunity to suggest behavioral remedies would be seen as irrational or illegal, then okay. But if the CMA didn't have to leave the door open and they did, it means there is a non-zero chance that they'll accept behavioral remedies.
This is not the point in which the CMA would close the door on behavioral remedies. In fact, them doing so now could be seen as impropriety. They 100% need to leave the door open to behavioral remedies. However, as Heisenberg007 Heisenberg007 points out in his review of the preliminary findings, the CMA are essentially saying that the current CoD deal PS has, which MS originally stated they intended to honor should this deal go through (and rumors swirled that MS was leaving the door open to go full exclusive after the current marketing deal expired, at least initially in this whole saga), would not be enough for them, because they feel once the window is up, MS will almost undoubtedly remove CoD from PS.

For the CMA, its not about a length of time; CoD has to remain on PS and all other platforms as far as they are concerned, seemingly. The way they see that happening is divestment. MS needs to provide a solution that gives them that assurance, and the only person who is really gonna say whether or not the remedies do will have to be both the CMA and Sony.

So yeah, its definitely a non-zero chance, but i'm not sure how MS will go forward while also clearing the standard the CMA indicated they want in their structural remedies.

Spencer has been locked by Nadella in a basement awaiting for his punishment :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Seriously yes, it's the typical silence that speaks volumes...it's clear that internally they need to understand if it's worth to go on with the deal and are discussing about it.
Activision fears that MS might decide to jump out and has been way more aggressive to send a signal to not give up otherwise they won't get the money they wanted.
I've stated this a few times now, but both MS and ATVI must adhere to the good faith clause of the purchasing agreement they both signed - neither party can be seen as not fully supporting the deal go through, otherwise they'd be in breach of the agreement and could be sued by the other party.

MS' silence is probably one born from them having to basically fight this battle on 3 fronts. They are currently fighting with loads of folks for docs in the FTC case, Sony being only one of the subpoena'd parties. They also now have to design and come up with behavioral remedies that the CMA will find adequate. And the EC for EU likely has some objections but no one really knows whats going on there. So lots on their plate. And since they are the main driver of the acquisition as the buying party, it leaves ATVI to just basically cheerlead for it from the sidelines.
 
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Watching people contort, backflip, cry with their lips pressed together while fantasizing that the deal isn't dead, is incredible.

Like it's literally in black and white, printed, documented, and sent to all relevant parties. But the fan theories about how Microsoft can still get COD is worth its weight in gold. I've never laughed this much on a gaming forum since Craig.
Even more so because it's not even about COD for Microsoft, but King
 
Even more so because it's not even about COD for Microsoft, but King
If MS truly only wanted King, they simply would've asked ATVI to purchase King. Heck, they would've presented the divestment option themselves.

This deal was never just about King. If MS was truly interested, there are loads of mobile outfits they could be purchasing. This deal is about CoD and Battle.net. It always has been.
 
Nor does he understand Japanese laws on foreign takeovers. He's just a sad little shill at times (most times).
Even Sony would encounter some difficulties in attempting to buy them (if they had the money + interest), an American company trying to takeover Japanese studios won't happen like that.
Unless MS somehow buys them indirectly through Zenimax, through a merger with Tango.
 
Watching people contort, backflip, cry with their lips pressed together while fantasizing that the deal isn't dead, is incredible.

Like it's literally in black and white, printed, documented, and sent to all relevant parties. But the fan theories about how Microsoft can still get COD is worth its weight in gold. I've never laughed this much on a gaming forum since Craig.
Well but it is not dead? They can get COD in whole world besides UK. FTC and EU can allow the deal.
 
Even Sony would encounter some difficulties in attempting to buy them (if they had the money + interest), an American company trying to takeover Japanese studios won't happen like that.
Unless MS somehow buys them indirectly through Zenimax, through a merger with Tango.
They won't even allow a merger. They're not ignorant.
 
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Microsoft could buy Atlus without buying Sega? Is Sega selling? Also if the deal does or does not go through wouldn't Microsoft have to cool their jets on Acquistions either way? If they get the deal, they are really going to be seen as greedy and monopolistic if they go for more right away. If they don't get Activision, all the precedents for them not getting that deal can be used against them time and time again for whatever they pursue in the future. If they win, at least they have Activision for the time being, but if they lose, I would think that would hurt them more in the future, to the extent that trying to get Activision will be an albatross for them that they should have never attempted.
Good luck for Microsoft trying to buy any publisher in Japan, It will be fun :D
 
Well but it is not dead? They can get COD in whole world besides UK. FTC and EU can allow the deal.
nope - the purchasing agreement stated that there are 4 regulators specifically that must all accept the deal or it cannot go through. The deal must pass the FTC/EC/CMA/ and one of the Asian regulators, but I specifically forget which one. If any of those 4 regulators block it or don't approve, the deal is dead.

That being said, the deal cannot be considered dead because there is a few routes MS could go with the CMA at this point.

1) MS could create a set of behavioral remedies that the CMA feels is adequate and approves it with them signed as concessions. This is a very unlikely thing to happen, but it still can.
2) MS could simply accept one of the structural remedies that the CMA presented (either CoD and its associated studios get divested from ABK and MS can purchase whats left of ABK, or all of Activision gets divested and MS can keep Blizzard/King - I forget the exact specifics on this though right now but i'm sure someone can clarify what the divestment options are).

Now say the purchase agreement was such that MS could get a workaround for the UK - that is a fuck ton of effort they'd have to go through in perpetuity, not to mention its an ongoing cost, just to maintain the rest of the deal, and what is their 2nd strongest market for Xbox. They'd be fools for doing this, but its not even an option made available to them.
 
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The true power move would be for Jim to call up Bobby on Sunday and inquire about purchasing just Call of Duty and all of the support studios off them.
 
Is this the current state of gaming journalism?

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I dont really understand why this guy continues to shill aggressively for Microsoft.

He has repeatedly expressed his disdain for Microsoft's lack of first party efforts recently and continually praised Sony for PSVR2 and all the amazing exclusives Sony develops on PS5.

Like, what's the point in being such a shill? I guess that's how his bread is buttered by being the IGN Xbox guy?
 
Sell it to valve.

Everybody wins.
Valve likely couldn't afford to buy it. CoD would have to be worth at least half of the investment into ABK, which would be 35 billion. I'm not sure Valve is even worth 35 billion at this point.

Is this fan fiction......

.....No games for 2023, no system sellers?

...No games for 2024....where are you pulling this from?

I'm talking about more than what they've done in the last 10 years.

How is the XSX/S going to outsell the XOne with less or the same rather than more.

From a software end, they've already been significantly worse out of the gate, now throw GamePass PC and PC day 1 on top of that... they've reduced the demand for Xbox considerably.

Can you tell me one exclusive aspect of the XSX that would make it top of someone's list to buy?

PS5 has Sony exclusives and console exclusives
PC has the best performance, Xbox games, and some sony games

What does the XSX/S have that the PS5 and PC do not? That's a real problem for Microsoft. Even their best games can be basically rented for little cost on PC. Want Starfield, join Gamepass for a month and play it for 10 dollars instead of 70. Don't even have to buy the console...
 
Brad Smith VC of MS was going around calling Sony the next Blockbusters. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Did Brad Smith really call Sony the next Blockbuster?

This shows a complete lack of understanding of the gaming industry. It's mind blowing that an executive that high up believes that nonsense, and clearly showcases to me why Microsoft continues to struggle in the gaming market.

Unlike Blockbuster, which owned no content and only the means of distribution, Sony has an enormous first party presence that pushes their platform. It's literally impossible for Sony to go the way of Blockbuster unless they completely get out of the game-making business. It seems like ALL MICROSOFT cares about is controlling the distribution (via GamePass) and has made ZERO inroads at improving their first party situation other than buying out (or trying to buy out) massive publishers. If anyone goes the way of Blockbuster in gaming, it's Microsoft.
 
You okay, my dude?

Yes, I changed my mind. I think Sony's approach is better, and to the extent Microsoft has mirrored it (albeit with the steady building of services rather than studios), I think they've done a great job. They should keep doing that rather than trying to use a big purchase as rocket fuel for a vessel that isn't even built yet.
Nothing wrong with thinking Sony's approach is better. There's several arguments that can be made to support it. That's why it was confusing to see you trot out such awful reasons for it. Saying things like they've done a great job, and should continue to do so. Only to turn around a couple sentences later talking about how they need to be humbled.
Saying you purchased a Series X specifically because you learned that they were purchasing Activision, but then saying that there's no sign that them doing that would work.

I've got problem with your opinion. Just the way you went about justifying it. It made zero sense.
 
The true power move would be for Jim to call up Bobby on Sunday and inquire about purchasing just Call of Duty and all of the support studios off them.

In M&A there is language in the contracts prohibiting new contracts or sales like this.

I can't agree you to sell you my company for X dollars, but then sell all of the assets before we close.
 
Spencer has been locked by Nadella in a basement awaiting for his punishment :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Seriously yes, it's the typical silence that speaks volumes...it's clear that internally they need to understand if it's worth to go on with the deal and are discussing about it.
Activision fears that MS might decide to jump out and has been way more aggressive to send a signal to not give up otherwise they won't get the money they wanted.

This is correct.

What people have to understand is that Microsoft has a large business. They'll go before the CMA again... Probably best to cut and run rather than antagonize them and there were probably some on the board who weren't in favor of the acquisition in the first place, and this is before the inflation crisis really took hold and the stock market was overinflated. They know they're overpaying for Activision, but it's only gotten worse. With the recent disclosures trust in xbox management has probably waned as well.

The board is probably saying end the deal now, save the 67 billion, fire spencer as soon as possible.

Bobby on the other hand is worried about the millions of dollars he is about to lose with this deal collapsing. He says he'll stay if the deal doesn't go through, but the reality is he'll probably be sacked as well. Shareholders are going to want him out as well, same with the employees. They all thought they were going to get a massive pay day.

The stock was 57 dollars a share in December before this announcement. If you had 500K dollars worth of shares this deal essentially makes you a million dollars, this could very well be the case for many of the upper management of activision.

Imagine losing half a million dollars...
 
Well but it is not dead? They can get COD in whole world besides UK. FTC and EU can allow the deal.
Not a practical option at all.

It is not Xbox buying ABK; it is Microsoft buying ABK.

They will have to say goodbye to the UK market: no more Xbox, no more COD, no more ABK games, no more Game Pass in the UK. There may even be harsher penalties that extend to Windows, Azure, and Office in the UK.

Also, Microsoft can kiss goodbye to all future acquisitions.
 
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The best bit about this is that he doesn't understand the meaning of precedent. He literally thinks that Microsoft can just go down the list of publishers if they don't get Acti. He's totally unaware that this ruling effectively ends Microsoft's pursuit of purchasing publishers if a relevant party has a genuine objection to such a deal.

Forget COD. The CMA just told Microsoft to go build and manage talent. Something XBOX has been failing at for 26 years.
Microsoft could buy Atlus without buying Sega? Is Sega selling? Also if the deal does or does not go through wouldn't Microsoft have to cool their jets on Acquistions either way? If they get the deal, they are really going to be seen as greedy and monopolistic if they go for more right away. If they don't get Activision, all the precedents for them not getting that deal can be used against them time and time again for whatever they pursue in the future. If they win, at least they have Activision for the time being, but if they lose, I would think that would hurt them more in the future, to the extent that trying to get Activision will be an albatross for them that they should have never attempted.

These are not good takes. If this acquisition falls through that doesn't set some precedent that Microsoft can't acquire studios/publishers. The issue with this specific acquisition is solely due to the size and reach of both Microsoft and Activision Blizzard King. This acquisition falling through isn't going to stop Microsoft from being able to acquire a studio or publisher that is, for example, $4 billion.
 
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