phil_t98
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nobody is rewriting anything both have had bad years in terms of output. just different years
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nobody is rewriting anything both have had bad years in terms of output. just different years
ChorizoPicozo
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this is not how it works
phil_t98
#SonyToo
and tell me how does it work
ChorizoPicozo
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are you counting the calendar year or the time between releases?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
you tell me as your the one telling me that's not how it works
Topher
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Sony's 2021 was not a bad year. They had two highly rated AAA games in 2021. Whether or not you were personally disappointed in those games doesn't change that fact.
Handel
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ChorizoPicozo
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well, I am telling you is the second way.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
but I can be disappointed as God of War ragnarok , GT7 and horizon forbidden west didn't release and were delayed. equals a bad year. Rachel and blank while a decent game is not in the same league as any of them and Returnal isn't either. so while not bad games they aint even in the same league as what was supposed to come out in 2021
ChorizoPicozo
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ChorizoPicozo
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are you talking about the quality, release schedule or your personal opinion?
Topher
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What's this nonsense? Are we really are going to pretend smaller games are the equivalent to AAA games when judging first party output?
So is Pentiment the equivalent of Starfield?
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Handel
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For what, metacritic publisher rankings? Technically yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with what my post was about.
If you mean count in terms of it not being MS first party, then that is wrong as even if it's published by Bethesda technically, MS owns Bethesda. Bethesda games are first party MS games.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
all. the quality of Retinal in nowhere near God of war or GT& or Horizon, surely you can even say that. as for Rachel yes its a good game and not in the same league as the other games that were meant to release that year.
that was three massive games delayed, so you can't say its good year when those games all delayed
Handel
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All a person should care about is whether a game is good or not, not how much money was used in its development. A good chunk of the best games of all time are indie/AA games.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Most of my favourite games are the ones with the largest amount of money used in its developerment, so yeah, I care
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Topher
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And yet gamers are going to buy Starfield by the millions because it is a high budget, production value game. Nothing wrong if you personally favor the smaller indie/AA games, but if we are going to judge first party output then we cannot just ignore AAA and pretend a couple of smaller games fill that space. They simply do not.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
That's not what he said, he said we shouldn't ignore games because of the budget. Some small budgeted games are amazing, some mega budget games are awful.
ChorizoPicozo
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again. Listen.
calendar release is not fair and is misleading; you should look at the time between releases.
if you want to talk about quality use Metacrirc score. (not user)
i am not talking about MS/Sony/Nintendo or OUYA. I am addressing that thinking about the calendar year releses is a dumb/wrong way to think about it.
Topher
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Sure he did. He said budget was irrelevant. It just isn't. A healthy AAA output is important to have a healthy first party output. If Starfield were an indie game then it wouldn't be the same game at all.
For a console's first part output, AAA games matter. That's basic shit.
ChorizoPicozo
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oh. i think only counts if it had a physical release.
Hi fi Rush doesn't count.
o...sowrry. i think only counts if it was shadow dropped....that counts
Handel
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There are many preferences out there, and AA/indie games can sell in the tens of millions as well. Some titles are more niche, but it's such titles that attract platform loyalty as they are a unique addition to the brand. Did having their two big AAAs delayed out of 2022 hurt MS's output that year? Undoubtedly so, it's a weak year overall. Did only having two semi-AAA games and no good AA games to fill in gaps hurt Sony's 2021 line-up? I would say yes. Right now there's a first party PS drought, as currently they don't have a first party game lined up between Ragnarok's release and that of Spider-Man 2's rumored September release date, a nine month gap. A less expensive to make AA game would have been nice to fill that gap.
Having a mix of AA and AAA in a first party lineup is what I consider ideal.
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Topher
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Don't necessarily disagree with any of that.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
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As I said befor budget doelwe not always mean quality. How many mega flops have we had versus great games in recent years.
Topher
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Did Pentiment make Microsoft's 2022 a good year then?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So time between release because it suits you?
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Step into a living illustrated world inspired by illuminated manuscripts and printed woodcuts in a time when Europe is at a crossroads of great religious and political change. Walk in the footsteps of Andreas Maler, a master artist who finds himself in the middle of murders, scandals, and...
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there's the metacrici scores not far off each other
phil_t98
#SonyToo
it scored as high as Returnal on meteoritic so it must of been liked
Topher
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You didn't answer the question.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
like I said before not a good year for Microsoft , just some on here can't seem to grasp the year before wasn't great for Sony either
ChorizoPicozo
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no me. IS the way this conversation SHOULD be talked about.
And I already did the math.
see.? much better.
8/10 = Great Games.
PaintTinJr
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But that isn't really a question of the whole market, but just of platform holders IMO - that to have a platform must be good at hardware and game development for their cut.
PlayStation has had very few -recent - mega flops as they evolved over their 30years and focus heavily on AAA, Nintendo too, but are really AA. Xbox? Well they did focus on AAA in the 360 era and lots of IPs did ok, and since then they have struggled outside of tentpole IPs like gears and halo which they bought, and have even struggled in the AA space - beyond the likes of Sea of thieves. For their cut are they doing enough? And without Microsoft's financial backing would publishers/developers treat them the same as they do today, or more like a Sega at the end?
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PropellerEar
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Topher
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Not agreeing with your opinion doesn't mean I do not grasp your opinion, dude.
Just stop. Ratchet and Clank was highly marketed and was considered by DF to be the most technically advanced game of the year.
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Pelta88
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When someone uses "Pentiment" to bolster and damage control XBOX's abysmal output in 2022. This has to be the exact expression they have while composing the post and hitting reply.
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Bernardougf
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Yeah I know what you mean ... I feel the same about the series X and the Sega Saturn
Warablo
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I mean okay, maybe its a showcase, but its just a platformer? I don't know, maybe my problem is the thoughts on genre's and AAA.
EDIT: What other platformers would be considered AAA? Is Knack AAA?
I think Nintendo probably only has that power, but that is mostly IP brand.
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Topher
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AAA is referencing the game's budget. Genre has nothing to do with it.
Any platformer with a AAA budget.
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GHG
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Sales of the Xbox console.
But it's fine, as long as the baghdad bobs in this thread are happy that's all that matters, afterall we only want to hear from people who own Xbox console hardware. All those other people's opinions, all those other potential customers who are calling out the situation as not being good enough and are thus not handing over their money? Nah, let's not listen to them, they're just haters.
Warablo
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I think the scope of the game has some effect on it. No matter how much money you pour into Pentiment, it wouldn't be considered AAA to the masses. Even if factually it would be AAA.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
When someone uses "Pentiment" to bolster and damage control XBOX's abysmal output in 2022. This has to be the exact expression they have while composing the post and hitting reply.
has the same review scores as Returnal so what's your point?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So people shouldn't use a legitimately good, award winning, game as a positive nod towards bolstering games' lineup because you don't like its art style ?
the fuck lol
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GHG
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If you want them to stay competitive then you do care about console sales. You have no choice but to.
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