phil_t98
#SonyToo
It could be argued that Sony practices in Japan have kept Xbox market share low by paying to keep third party games off Xbox and making it less attractive in Japan.
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It could be argued that Sony practices in Japan have kept Xbox market share low by paying to keep third party games off Xbox and making it less attractive in Japan.
https://www.vg247.com/how-monster-hunter-world-became-a-success-in-the-west
Also ask why MGS published Dead Rising 4 instead of Capcom. Same thing.
feynoob
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If MS want to attract customer to Xbox, that is the least thing they can do. Or pay more for timed exclusive.
Between that and gamepass, MS will prefer the later as it's cheap and it increases the value of gamepass.
feynoob
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MS isn't bothering with localization of their games.
They have to be aggressive with their approached not point fingers at Sony.
They have the resources to be aggressive, considering they spent $76b on Zenimax and Activision.
ChorizoPicozo
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they cant.
feynoob
Banned
That is on them.
They put more effort on Xbox 360 compared to their other consoles.
If they can do that during x360, why can't they do it for xbseries consoles?
Roxkis_ii
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Right, it's Sony's fault Xbox hasn't even been a blip in Japan for 20 years......, because of exclusive deals... I guess it's too much to ask for Xbox to just make games that would be appealing. It all Sony's fault for making a deal to block any game that would be of worth in Japan. (Crazy how they couldn't effect Nintendo at all though.)
Damn you Sony and somehow Jim Ryan!!
Damn you to hell!
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ChorizoPicozo
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and they are paying the price..quite literally.
Malak
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I don't think this has anything to do with Dead Rising, I've read somewhere that Ms once owned part of Ip, and then sold her share to Capcom. This has nothing to do with what sony does with cross-platform games.
Wrong,
Your arguement was that $100 million is not a lot in gaming, and in reality its a crap ton of money even in today's expense for one game. That is ALOT.
Also, you can not honestly say Sony's approach to "timed" exclusivity is better when those games never make it on Xbox.
Its all smoke and mirrors. IDC all exclusivity is either good or bad, you can't change the rule to benefit your preference for one brand versus another.
Roxkis_ii
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Oh snap, I didn't even know this was a rerun episode
roosnam1980
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sony has ties to yakuza
ulantan
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Something Something sony canceled scalebound, control 99% of the market, will not let Microsoft advertise in japan.Oh snap, I didn't even know this was a rerun episode
Ar¢tos
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As if MS ever did any REAL effort to enter the Japanese market. Burger adverts and parading Phil Spencer through the country aren't going to cut it. They did the minimum possible and now they are crying that Sony stopped them from having any success there.
ChorizoPicozo
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IFireflyl
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You need to understand what "context" means. $100 million dollars is not a lot in gaming when we're talking about moving the needle for players to convert from one console to another, which was the context of what we were talking about. We weren't talking about $100 million in a bubble. We were talking about Microsoft not engaging in exclusivity deals themselves in order to convince players to move to Xbox, and your rebuttal to that was that Microsoft spent $100 million to do this. That's nothing. They might as well have spent $0 and just offered to circle-jerk a group of nerds. $100 million in exclusivity deals is chump change when that amount of money buys a single AAA game.
Timed exclusivity doesn't prevent studios/publishers from ever bringing their game to Xbox. Maybe Microsoft needs to reach out to those studios/publishers and figure out why they don't want to bring games to Xbox even when their exclusivity clause is up.
I already said it's all bad. But two things being bad doesn't mean that they are equally bad. It is far worse to have permanent exclusivity than to have timed exclusivity. I made this very clear.
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feynoob
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Xbox users have to understand this before blaming anyone.
The success of Xbox depends on how MS invests on Xbox. If they want to get all kind of games, MS needs to talk to publishers and developers in order to put their games on Xbox. Use whatever means necessary to get those games on your platform.
You can't grow your system, if you don't aggressively invest on it. Especially in key areas such localization in regions where people don't generally speak English.
They also need to set up marketing department in regions where Xbox is weak, in order to promote their system.
If you can't get any timed exclusive, do gamepass day1 games. Or even make 3rd party partnership in order to make AAA exclusive games like Rise of Ronin from Ninja devs.
The market isn't fair. It won't wait for you in order to get those content on your platform. Consumers won't invest on your system, if you aren't not trying to make the system interesting.
You have to put the effort and put something in the table.
Look at what Sony did with PS3 vs what MS is doing now with XBS. I don't that see PS3 aggressiveness from XBS.
The only one that can save Xbox is MS putting those efforts on Xbox, and not blaming Sony for these tactics.
MS did shitty stuff with other companies in 1990s. They shouldn't go around and blame other companies for the same stuff they used to in the past.
The success of Xbox depends on how MS invests on Xbox. If they want to get all kind of games, MS needs to talk to publishers and developers in order to put their games on Xbox. Use whatever means necessary to get those games on your platform.
You can't grow your system, if you don't aggressively invest on it. Especially in key areas such localization in regions where people don't generally speak English.
They also need to set up marketing department in regions where Xbox is weak, in order to promote their system.
If you can't get any timed exclusive, do gamepass day1 games. Or even make 3rd party partnership in order to make AAA exclusive games like Rise of Ronin from Ninja devs.
The market isn't fair. It won't wait for you in order to get those content on your platform. Consumers won't invest on your system, if you aren't not trying to make the system interesting.
You have to put the effort and put something in the table.
Look at what Sony did with PS3 vs what MS is doing now with XBS. I don't that see PS3 aggressiveness from XBS.
The only one that can save Xbox is MS putting those efforts on Xbox, and not blaming Sony for these tactics.
MS did shitty stuff with other companies in 1990s. They shouldn't go around and blame other companies for the same stuff they used to in the past.
DeepEnigma
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LQX
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MS invested a ton into trying to get Japanese gamers and those who prefer those games but it hardly made a difference and I honestly think much of it has to do xenophobia. To this day I think some still do not think MS has a place in console gaming because it is Western company. Most blamed it on the size of the original XBox but I don't think that is valid enough reason to miss out on games like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, etc.
Moreover, the XBox 360 was a much smaller and still it hardly made a blip though MS continued to push for Japanese games like Blue Dragon and ton of XBLA exclusives. I would even argue XBox 360 XBLA has some of the best arcade Japanese games ever made, especially if you loved the Dreamcast.
Moreover, the XBox 360 was a much smaller and still it hardly made a blip though MS continued to push for Japanese games like Blue Dragon and ton of XBLA exclusives. I would even argue XBox 360 XBLA has some of the best arcade Japanese games ever made, especially if you loved the Dreamcast.
GHG
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Lmao here we go again.
I guess we can also attribute their failings in the Middle East, Europe and most other non-anglo countries/regions to "xenophobia" as well right? You think a handful of games is enough to outdo shit marketing and products that haven't been localised appropriately?
Look at all the other major American/Western companies that have released products that have managed to have global appeal including in Japan (and products have even dominated in some instances) before you talk out of your nether-regions.
The ignorance and arrogance is palpable.
DeepEnigma
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GHG
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In the mobile phone market there it's total domination from american companies. All of the top 5 selling phones as of October last year are american:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/755692/japan-smartphone-market-share-by-model/
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/top-5-smartphone-model-share-8-countries/
Not a Sony phone in sight, I wonder why? Oh that's right, it's because their mobile phones simply aren't good enough and lag the competition in several areas that are seen as key by consumers. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
LQX
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I think an argument could be made that the the Japanese unwilling to give XBox a chance had a cascading effect on it not being as embraced in the places you mentioned as many Japanese publishers and devs also spurned XBox so many Japanese games were never released on XBox and the few great exclusives it got could not make up for that lack of support from Japanese publishers and devs that Sony overwhelmingly received.
KingT731
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They had games coming out for the audience but there were a number of other factors that went against them. For example 1 that wasn't even "fixed" until recently was the system being completely in English....to be fair though this wasn't just a Japan problem and localization continues to be an issue. You can't treat the world outside of US/UK like dirt and wonder why you don't garner support.
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GHG
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Believe it or not but the reasons why Xbox struggles in certain regions/countries outside of Japan are the very same reason why it struggles in Japan.
I didn't realise the reality of the situation until I left the UK and started spending extended periods of time overseas but let me just say that their lack of marketing and localisation teams on the ground in the countries they wish to sell their products in is what's really hurting them and has been the case from the start.
No, MS doesnt own the IP. It published one game in the multiplatform IP globally much like Sony did other IPs in Japan only.
DarkMage619
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Let's not forget excuses like the console was too big. Those complaints have evaporated seeing the size of the PS5 is about what the original Xbox was. In the end Japanese people generally support Japanese products. Predominantly products their country is already known for. It's like selling ice to Eskimos.
Xbox never stood a chance to do well in Japan no matter what games they came out with. Still doesn't help when Sony can prevent games like Street Fighter 5 from hitting Xbox at all when that game is pretty popular outside of Japan. Really curious to see how things go worldwide at the end of this generation with MS securing more content and developers.
ChorizoPicozo
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just staph
Sleepwalker
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Let him cook.
Growing up in south america we all hated the gringos and decided not to buy their consoles and support the japanese instead, that was totally the reason the PS2 and beyond have totally obliterated the dirty american product. Probably the only time in the history of mankind where teenagers across several countries managed to coordinate, we now keep the tradition by indoctrinating the new generations.
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Warablo
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I find the phone comparison quite odd. Isn't Apple and Google the defacto smart phones? Just like Sony is the defacto console for Japanese games?
Its somewhat a lost cause, but their best case scenario is carving out a small niche over there, but I doubt they could get many developers on board locally.
Its somewhat a lost cause, but their best case scenario is carving out a small niche over there, but I doubt they could get many developers on board locally.
I know you are joking, but isn't Brazil one of the better markets for Xbox?
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ChorizoPicozo
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oh.....Nintendo isn't a thing apparently.
Warablo
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Didn't you hear, Nintendo isn't in the high performance console market.oh.....Nintendo isn't a thing apparently.
Sleepwalker
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ChorizoPicozo
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i didn't know Nintendo markets their console as a 4k machine with raytracing and high frame rates.
reinking
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.... or,In the mobile phone market there it's total domination from american companies. All of the top 5 selling phones as of October last year are american:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/755692/japan-smartphone-market-share-by-model/
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/top-5-smartphone-model-share-8-countries/
Not a Sony phone in sight, I wonder why? Oh that's right, it's because their mobile phones simply aren't good enough and lag the competition in several areas that are seen as key by consumers. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Warablo
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Simple, Xbox and Sony just need to make a hybrid console. The closer to phones, the better.
I didn't even know such market existed until this whole merger. I guess Xbox was #2 all along.
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GHG
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Apple yes, Google no. The latter not by a longshot. Just having basic knowledge of mobile phones and how the respective phone OS's operate and are licenced will tell you this.
If the "Japanese are xenophobic and only buy Japanese products" argument held any water then you would see a Sony phone in place of the Google Pixel phone on that list, they run identical OS's.
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Malak
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I don't know why you mentioned Nintendo, it barely has the capacity to receive Third P games. And sony knows this and uses it to keep advantages of several western/eastern games in only its console.
GHG
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The Google pixel does not represent every android phone. Read my edit in my previous post. This isn't complicated stuff.
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fred420170
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Well Sony said that Nintendo doesn't count. Their words, they started all this drama by separating Nintendo to suit their narrative and it backfired. So, they made their bed now they have to lie down in it.
GHG
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ChorizoPicozo
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it is called market segments.
Warablo
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Or getting a market you want to make your argument more in favorable position
Do you not consider buying Activision and Bethesda aggressive? You keep saying that Microsoft needs to spend and Microsoft is spending.
ChorizoPicozo
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