roosnam1980
Member
a couple of ports are rushed , the rest are fine
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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GHG
Member
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
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Mr Moose
Member
CMA flip-flopped harder than Crap Gamer when MS said PC will get day one Xbox games.
roosnam1980
Member
jimbo doing the right thing and KEEPING IT REAL , uncle phil will get nightmares for the rest of his career
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony is just repeating what the ex CMA layer and other leading antitrust lawyer said right after the flippy floppies.
UK regulator U-turns on Microsoft’s $75bn Activision deal
Surprise move clears big roadblock to global approval of acquisition of ‘Call of Duty’ maker
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The problem is that the U-turn makes their case look weak and marred by procedural mistakes (by their own admission) that cannot be realistically fixed in a single month. They need to re-examine things properly.
This will be used by both parts if the verdict is not what they want.
It also turns out that even Sony can complain to CAT.
And the language used in their response suggests they're already preparing the ground for such action.
They basically told them their U-turn is irrational, affected by mistakes and requires a full re-examination.
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jm89
Member
I'll be surprised if we don't see an extension to the decision date. Heck i was expecting if they did accept behavioural remedies for the cloud SLC it still gets delayed, i mean the EU even delayed it for that twice.
Unless they say fuck it where blocking it just for the cloud SLC on the 26th.
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CMA has lost credibility in any case.
If they block Microsoft will go to CAT claiming their analysis is bullshit affected by mistakes.
If they approve Sony will use the U-turn to do the same and tell CAT that the whole procedure was compromised by mistakes and there was no time to re-examine the evidence.
And they'd be both right. The u-turn was just eggs on their faces by the cma.
jm89
Member
Mistakes for what though? The console market foreclosure calculations? At the moment they don't have that as a concern and that is where the mistake where found.
But for the cloud market that isn't the case is it? Unless I missed something.
Just want phase one of this saga to be done, not long left.
Microsoft will probably still argue it's not a distinct market, or the remedies would be enough.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
from reading the report on cloud gamine they say anybody who tried to set up cloud as a service has failed like google with its game only service and there are many different versions of cloud gaming. I can't see them having a problem with it
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It seems that according to Sony, COD lobby is the gentlemans club 
They will use evidence that there were mistakes in the case to suggest the whole thing is flawed.
Microsoft is already stating that if the conclusions about the console market are right there is no reason they shouldn't extend to cloud for example.
Both can use the u-turn as a weapon to ask CAT to force a full re-examination of the case if the final judgement doesn't please them. That's because CMA has hurted the validity of their case with the 180.
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jm89
Member
So nothings changed there then.
The case would still go back to CMA.
CAT can only confirm that the procedure was compromised by mistakes and requires a full re-examination that must be conducted by the same CMA. That's how the UK legal system seems to work about antitrust.
Jimmyisback
Banned
"Such a strategy would be in direct contrast to the interests of gamers in the UK and around the world. Rather than limit choice or access, Microsoft intends to use the merger to bring more games to more people on more platforms and devices."
Sony has some nerve to say this bullcrap.
Sony has some nerve to say this bullcrap.
Honestly I feel the CMA consulted with Sony on the initial calculations and provisional findings. When MS pointed out how they were factually wrong it made them lose trust in Sony's arguments. So they axed the Console SLC as a consequence.
fred420170
Member
I thought that the EU was your golden ticket to a block, they sided with MS and suddenly became corrupt and didn't matter. THEN the CMA was the knight in shining armor and now they are corrupt and don't know what they are doing because they side with MS and then all the other bodies are bought off by MS. Don't you get tired of constantly moving goal posts to suite your narratives?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They were corrupt prior tho when one of the EU guys tweeted he liked his PS.
Which corruption to believe.
Lol where did you read any claim about corruption my dear member with 83 posts all focused on defending Microsoft?
Or there has been issues in the past and Sony didn't go out of business like they are crying. So if .05 loss on digital foundry would end playstation are sony paying to have the performance lead andhandicapping xbox versions?
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DryvBy
Member
It's not that bad anymore and hasn't been for a while. It's rare I hear racism or threats. Most of the time it's the people blasting music that annoy the lobby.It seems that according to Sony, COD lobby is the gentlemans club
tpieman2029
Member
The U turn is in fact based on the CMA's own acknowledgment of errors in the process and on the data evaluation of the effects on the console market...
That is, the CMA detected and found those own errors and corrected them. Surely knowing that those were very likely to be taken to the CAT by MS and it was something CMA wanted to avoid to avoid an image of incompetence.
If Sony asks the CAT it will be very difficult to argue about something already fixed and adjusted. Sony would have to claim against the entire evaluation process and I think that it has very, very little chance.
Having said that, my impression is that the CMA has left the impression of haste, ignorance of the market and lack of basis for the correct evaluation of the matter and that does not help its image as a responsible and serious regulator.
In this case, the EU, being more discreet, has achieved that image of greater seriousness even though (according to the information and leaks) right now it is concluding in the same way as the CMA by eliminating the console market as a primary concern, focusing only on the cloud market.
This thread never fails to deliver
Spending the money to acquire an asset means you're left with an asset worth that amount.
In this scenario, they'll own ABK which brings in annual revenues north of $7bn and growing.
In your scenario, they'd be out $7 - 14 bn and be left with much lower annual revenues.
They'd build console hardware for cloud gaming, then ditch the lucrative console market for a product that could easily be disrupted by strong competition?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They're saying this after putting out TLoU on PC in the state that it did.
Never forget how brave Brazil's CADE was for raising concerns and asking input from publishers, and how they completely got forgotten the moment they announced their approval of the acquisition.
round and round and round
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Sony's point based on the new document is that the mistakes were NOT fixed but other mistakes were made and that one month can't be considered realistically enough time to discard your whole case built in the previous nine months to reach an opposite conclusion. They're right?
Microsoft would also have realistic ground to appeal if CMA tries to block or ask for crazy remedies due the cloud market alone.
The problem is that CMA has compromised the credibility of their judgement with the sudden u-turn leaving them open for an appeal to CAT from both sides depending on their final judgement.
MS better not dare do the exact thing we've been doing to them over the past 10 years! That's how we know it works!
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
You forgot /s
abacab driver
Banned
Sell it Jim!
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I need a quote on that.
Theres no way Sony can sound this stupid, this is your wording.
Jimmyisback
Banned
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The CMA, when they realize they may have made calculation mistakes once again and might have to redo the Addendum again:
feynoob
Banned
They already lost too much face from doing u turn. Doing that again would undermine their organization.
feynoob
Banned
So another bullshit data from Sony.
The CMA, when they realize they may have made calculation mistakes once again and might have to redo the Addendum again:
At least this show is getting more crazy as time goes on.
How sony is screaming to the rooftops anything less than the superior version of COD ends them. Sony has made this black and white. I do hope a regulator catches sony in the digital foundry crying and investigates sony paying off publishers to handicap xbox versions to win digital foundry. Since .005% COD win by the series x ends playstation now according to Sony's crying.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Why are you spreading misinformation so blatantly?
This is a quote submitted by Microsoft, not Sony.
P.S.
The_Mike
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