thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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The Microsoft Year of 2023, partially built off the success of killing off Netscape in 1995
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The Microsoft Year of 2023, partially built off the success of killing off Netscape in 1995
DarkMage619
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I want to read Netscape's submission to the CMA. It might be just what Sony needs to stop this deal cold.The Microsoft Year of 2023, partially built off the success of killing off Netscape in 1995
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Forget that, apparently Ubisoft gave Assasins Creed Unity? to Sony for certification and then deliberately went in and mucked with the code to make it run like shit before final release - all at MS's behest.
It does seem odd, but it's probably a response to feedback from regulators. I doubt Microsoft is making these agreements with no insight into what they want to see.
I think EE saw an opportunity to increase data usage and the value of their products by bundling in a cloud service to their own broadband and mobile plans so they probably asked MS. Also MS and EE do already work together on deals including Gamepass.
Again this would be a case where the investigators would want to extend the deadline which is quite different to the merging parties wanting to extend the deadline.
This may make sense if the CMA argue that the merging parties has deliberately slow rolled the CMA
And no, it's not MS and ABK issue if the CMA takes too long, it's the CMA as they know the statuory limitations of their process. The CMA's job includes ensuring that they stay within their statuory limits.
I think we are getting stuck in a loop here so going to bounce from this sub thread.
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Well. Microsoft is surely twisting a knife to end this whole process. I expect several more announcements with 10-year contract with everybody...
...except Sony.
Bernardougf
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Couldn't care less for COD .. but
Man this more games for more gamers whetever they want narrative bullshit that this phil "lies" spencer is selling ... is going to be fun watching the mental gymnastics people will do to justify when MS removes Cod from playstation ... and people are really really naive or dumb (or complacent) if they think otherwise.. and no amount of "it dosent make financial sense" is going to change that this is what they will EVENTUALLY do ... people think MS is in this for short term cod sales gains.... a multi trillion dollar company ...who for years is burning money in this pseudo-failed division...Bethesda set the stage and ABK is the grand opening of MS new direction with xbox. The rest is theatrics.
Man this more games for more gamers whetever they want narrative bullshit that this phil "lies" spencer is selling ... is going to be fun watching the mental gymnastics people will do to justify when MS removes Cod from playstation ... and people are really really naive or dumb (or complacent) if they think otherwise.. and no amount of "it dosent make financial sense" is going to change that this is what they will EVENTUALLY do ... people think MS is in this for short term cod sales gains.... a multi trillion dollar company ...who for years is burning money in this pseudo-failed division...Bethesda set the stage and ABK is the grand opening of MS new direction with xbox. The rest is theatrics.
Duchess
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Grow up. It's very well known that Microsoft deliberately killed Netscape by tying Internet Explorer into Windows. The kinds of anti-trust laws and investigation didn't exist back then, and were actually put in place because of it.
United States v. Microsoft Corp. - Wikipedia
mrmustard
Banned
No, he is entertaining.
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I doubt regulators had any concern about EE or that EE complained about anything. EE don't have their own cloud gaming platform. It's just a partner that provides xbox bundles with subscription plans for internet. It says PC and Xbox so it's just likely to be continued xCloud in those plans. A bit like their announced Steam 10 year deal it is the status quo in a PR blurb.
Xcloud doesn't yet support pc games being streamed (they did plan to work on that) so that's why imo it's going to be interesting to see what the practical implementation is going to be.
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SublimeAnarky
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Say what you want about MS and their history - the narrative around more games for gamers only gets stronger the more of these deals they strike with 'new' people/vendors/services who have never had gaming associated with them.
Whether these 'new players' with gaming access have their user base get down to accessing/using the CoD and the Acti/Blizz catalogue is a different story, but MS is pushing around making things available, with parity - as opposed to Sony's requirements of the 'best CoD experience only on PlayStation'.
Sony is painting themselves into a corner here expecting/demanding(?) status quo - they too can have CoD for their audience (minus the exclusivity perks) if they sign whatever deal MS has been offering to every one and their uncle as part of their ongoing narrative.
I do wonder if the longer they take joining up means that the deal they get becomes more expensive.
Absolutely no doubt in my mind that tens years from now, MS might walk away from every deal made so far because they only released two titles in that cycle - that did not perform 'well enough' in their view - but that is not what regulators can/will speculate on today.
feynoob
Banned
Sony is helping MS dream by making them sign all these deals.
If this deal passes, MS will find themselves in a bigger position because of these deals.
He keeps asking for "historical evidence of MS degrading software" . You give him some then he makes an excuse why those don't actually count. Netscape was just one of many, intentionally breaking Novell's NDS for NT was another. Our very own Brad Smith there to offer cash settlements and fight in court for them all.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Sony don't care anymore at this point - they are trying everything but nothing works. FTC is probably their last hope there.
Well, these deals allow Microsoft to expand cloud gaming more and more. The difference is that for Microsoft, Xbox is not a lifeline while for Sony SIE and console sales are much more important. I think these companies that signed deals with Microsoft will become supporters of Microsoft future acquisition. Also I presume telecom lobby is quite strong in UK and Microsoft has been working with EE for some time. I think there is more to that deal, but still.
I do wonder though how Microsoft were preparing for these deals - they are obviously did not happen within a week and has been planned since the long time ago.
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Updated "gamers lawsuit" filing
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23772601-23-04-10-amended-complaint-so-called-gamers-lawsuit
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23772601-23-04-10-amended-complaint-so-called-gamers-lawsuit
feynoob
Banned
These guys are lunatic.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Did you actually read that article I linked - in full?
I find it impossible to believe you read the whole thing and didn't come away with the view that the CMA enjoys a "wide margin of confidence", as was the CAT's repeated point in all the cases - meaning they have lots of latitude, and the limits to their investigative powers are pretty much open ended. There was even a similar case of the CMA insisting on divestment for an SLC, where even when the merging parties won a point with the appealed CAT case, the overriding decision didn't change, and the divestment effectively blocked the merger - with faint echoes of the Cloud SLC in this case.
They also listed the minimal options in which the complaining parties can take a case to the CAT, showing the system is stacked in favour of the CMA, and further compliments the language used by Sony in their response to the CMA over the console SLC being removed - probably showing they will appeal on the grounds of "irrationality" - and also shows exactly why the CMA were quick to remove any dubious errors of the process - even if it favoured their general view and would have most likely been useable via their probabilistic reasoning with more accurate numbers with more analysis time - because process errors or errors in law were areas in which the CAT typically ruled against the CMA. But even then, the damage to the CMA was more of embarrassment - which they want to avoid as an authority "with a wide margin of confidence" - than any undermining of their power IMO.
You are right though, if you are taking something different from that full article - other than the CMA has virtually unlimited authority and no financial penalty for its investigation via interaction with the CAT - then we will be going in circles.
They still have legal limitations that aka the time they can take but let's just leave it.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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You have to laugh at excluding Epic/Fortnite from AAA charts because it is free to play. Get serious, this should be called the "Sony Gamers Lawsuit".
Another hearty laugh at the "Gamers Lawsuit" trying to give a full bodied industry handbook with bias.
I'm sure more nuggets are there, I just cannot read anymore through the tears in this gamer's eyes from hysterics.
Another hearty laugh at the "Gamers Lawsuit" trying to give a full bodied industry handbook with bias.
I'm sure more nuggets are there, I just cannot read anymore through the tears in this gamer's eyes from hysterics.
freefornow
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They're just a group of young lawyers (who also game) trying to make a name for themselves.
Malak
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just desperation, shame on you sony
DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
Shame on you for sharing news and putting blame on Sony without really reading into the topic.
If you had also read the follow-up tweet from the same account, you would have found out that Sony didn't just deliver the documents.
Sony is producing documents in response to being subpoenaed to do so.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
What does this have to do with video games again? Xbox is in third place and it's competition in this space is nothing like early 2000s web browsers. You'll be happy to know MS doesn't lead in web browsers today either.Grow up. It's very well known that Microsoft deliberately killed Netscape by tying Internet Explorer into Windows. The kinds of anti-trust laws and investigation didn't exist back then, and were actually put in place because of it.
United States v. Microsoft Corp. - Wikipedia
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https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/browser-market-share
Keep up with the times.
Ass of Can Whooping
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DarkMage619
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MS was accused of degrading games on other platforms for personal gain. I asked for such examples since it is not like we can't look at other games MS has released on other consoles. I get old court cases about web browsers. Clowns indeed.You asked for historical evidence you clown
JFC, they only got subpoenaed and shared the relevant docs the case requested. How is that shameful?
Meanwhile when they got subpoenaed in another case and asked for a time extension to provide similar docs earlier in the year, "epic backfire, what are you hiding Sony".
Ass of Can Whooping
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You asked for historical of Microsoft degrading platforms, not Xbox. You got your answer. Take it on the chin
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We can but what's the point when you'll create an excuse for every single one?
You're using a single Sony PC port to say there is some nefarious stuff going on when in reality they probably released that port for the HBO show in a bit of a hurry. I mention poor PC ports of MCC, Gears Ultimate edition, and Quantum break when they did their PC push and you deflect with nonsense about what MS have said to Sony.
If I mention that their acquisitions had resulted in PS5 getting inferior games in comparison to xbox too (nefarious or not), like Doom Eternal running better, Minecraft not getting performance and gameplay updates till year(s) later, psychonauts 2 not getting features like HD and 120fps, 4K on PS5, Hellblade not getting a next gen raytracing, 120fps, 4k update on PS5.
You will just say they have no obligation to. Then if COD becames inferior on PS after the acquisition gets the OK you would do the same, how there is no obligation for them to support playstation as well as xbox.
Come the next acquisition you would once again argue that there is no historical evidence of degraded software on other platforms after an acquisition and make new excuses how what is happening isn't reality, only sony does that nefarious shit because replays rarely dipped 7fps in some new port they did.
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Ehh. If Series X has objectively better overall performance, it should ran better then PS5 version. There is nothing wrong with it. Or you want forced parity?
Psychonauts 2 does not have PS5 version of a game, so all that talk about missing features are pointless. And since Double Fine did not planned any "next-gen native" version Psychonauts 2 and only released XS native versions thanks to buyout, you can't even blame Microsoft that they funded development of XS version of that game. It's additive to original promise through Fig.
But if your life hinges on not having PS5 port of Hellblade, then okay. You can complain.
For all I know we will find soon the state of Minecraft Legends. Actually new game developed for PS5. Can't wait how Microsoft will "gimp up" PS5 version to force players to buy Xbox consoles.
But it's hilarious. Minecraft even got PSVR version, Minecraft Dungeons is running fine, TESO got PS5 update, Doom Eternal got PS5 update, Skyrim got Anniversary update, Fallout 4 is getting next-gen update and somehow some people around here are still convinced about some hidden agenda despite overwhelming amount of proofs pointing to other direction.
Would future COD games run better on Series X than PS5? That's possibility. Being closer to console manufacturer have some benefits that can lead to better utilisation of hardware. But that does not mean gimping PS5 version. Because....you know...Series X has higher CPU clocks, faster GDDR6 memories and higher performance of GPU. So it's not like Series X leading in performance slightly would even be some kind of proof that Microsoft is gimping competition.
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Take a breath. Relax.
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Yeah how do they plan on making their hardware run PC games. Wouldn't that mean data centers full of gaming pcs? They don't exist for MS as of now.
That's what I meant by nefarious or not. I don't want forced parity. The problem is that darkmage is equating everything to be nefarious on one side (all 2 poor examples of it) while completely ignoring bigger differences on the other.
What an absolutely weak ass argument. Yes my life hinges on a PS5 port of hellblade. /s
I'm pointing to examples of some rather massive differences in games between platforms in MS releases, after an acquisition, because he asked. MS decided to not release that update on competing platforms. People like you always mention how easy and cost free it is to do xbox ports of complete games because development is so easy nowadays but too difficult or costly for MS to push out a performance update apparently. Why do you think they did that?
And in the future people can say COD did not get the PS6 update. The "original promise" from MS was to just release COD on PS, MS is funding that NextBox enhancement. What good would that be to anyone? You're just using the "no obligation" line that I suspected darkmage would use.
They likely won't gimp it up, Especially in this climate. Doom eternal was mentioned already, Minecraft bedrock they gimped for 2yrs, showed raytracing as a xbox series x feature at launch too. The other 2 are good examples of parity though.For all I know we will find soon the state of Minecraft Legends. Actually new game developed for PS5. Can't wait how Microsoft will "gimp up" PS5 version to force players to buy Xbox consoles.
Still, this doesn't change the fact that examples exist. They have had inferior software versions on other platforms. He was asking for examples. I just gave the examples and my life doesn't hinge on any of them.
EDIT: Just saw your edit trying to already justify possible future XSX differences
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ResilientBanana
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No. They would be blade servers, just like how they stream Xbox games. You don't need max settings on a PC game for it to function. Just look at Amazon Luna. It's not difficult.
Snake29
Banned
Well, MS needs Sony so they will still get it. These give aways MS is doing feels a bit like a joke.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
You really think Sony are trying to "sabotage" PC with imperfect ports? How's that supposed to work especially when the ports aren't close to day and date?
Not to mention the fact that its not like their PC titles are outliers quality-wise, and theirs aside every console port is simply perfect!
You could actually make a (slightly) less bat-shit insane argument by saying that PC games basically run on a MS sourced OS and middleware stack, so Xbox ports should always perform better than any other provider's offerings and that they don't is due to MS gimping them in order to prop-up their console ecosystem!
I'm not suggesting this as a serious argument, but just to highlight how stupid it is to bring this sort of subjective nonsense up.
TrebleShot
Member
Didn't really know where else to ask this but do GP games usually come to Steam day one or shortly after? Just wondering if this goes through we'd see COD day 1 on Steam?
Their current servers won't run PC games tho.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I haven't been following every detail but it sure seems we're at the point where it'd be a big surprise if the deal didn't go through.
Current the servers for xcloud aren't pc hardware but adapted xbox series x running xbox os. PC games would be using Windows and either more conventional racks or an differently adapted racks.
ResilientBanana
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Why are we assuming those are the only blades that Microsoft produced? They have datacenters everywhere for many reasons. Their Azure servers are capable of cloud gaming. It's not like they wouldn't have the infrastructure in place to accomplish this goal.
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We aren't, at least I am not.
I am just said that the current version of xcloud doesn't support pc streaming in post 41463. This is an easily solved problem if you wanted to hack something up quickly, people have doing a hacky version in Google cloud before Stadia existed.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
So time limit is the 26 no? Seems one way or another we're close to have this finish or am I wrong.
ResilientBanana
Member
Amazon's Luna service isn't PC hardware either though. It's server based, like most cloud gaming. Xbox Cloud streamed games are a special case. But even then, the Xbox Blades which top out at 1080p/60, are custom for cloud streaming. Most likely server based as well, but also utilizing a beefy XSX GPU/CPU config
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I can't think of a recent game which didn't. Microsoft has been pretty good at releasing PC games on steam lately. It's usually for sale in steam and MS store/gamepass day one.
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