feynoob
Banned
https://www.target.com/p/microsoft-...b19c81250437cd47a2f30330f0ed03551c4efdaf3409e
there is a lot of places that sell office.
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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there is a lot of places that sell office.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I think this is what blind hate looks like. It doesn't even matter what the truth is MS is bad regardless. Quite a pity but it's good to see further evidence that MS will continue to offer both subscription and retail options for their customers. That is a good thing.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This reads like the 2023 version of "Square Enix shot themselves in the foot".
feynoob
Banned
Something tells me, that he spends that much money on office. Or his company does.This reads like the 2023 version of "Square Enix shot themselves in the foot".
ChorizoPicozo
Member
some videos about Lina Khan...please
POKEYCLYDE
Member
April 18th is the date where Microsoft's fee for backing out or not getting the acquisition done goes from $2.5B to $3B right? Seems like they're confident.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Not sure if posted but some questions asked to Lina Khan in congress. Hopefully the FTC drops their ridiculous case soon.
feynoob
Banned
You have be to careful. Genghis Khan won't tolerate your requests for his wife's videos.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
she destroyed them.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Khan's responses to congress are like when you ring a call centre and get the go to script response from outsourced staff when you raise valid questions. It's about what I expect from her TBH. The FTC is about to be shaken up, there are too many indicators in recent times. Big tech needs some reigning in alright, not just the US either, but MS/ABK ain't the right direction to point your FTC sword.
tpieman2029
Member
I wish khan would go after internet service providers and Kroger as hard she went on Microsoft
Nothing1234
Banned
The thing is it's very hard to break up companies years after the merger. Look at Meta/Whatsapp/Instagram too.
This misconception that you cant buy Office with a lifetime license seems to be one doesn't/can't die.
Not sure I want to watch those videos, the House R aren't going to be friendly to any of the DOJ, FTC, FCC. I don't think the FTC proposed budget is going anywhere though.
In case anyone wants the whole 3hr session: https://www.youtube.com/live/1OQ5T9D9jbE?feature=share
Not sure I want to watch those videos, the House R aren't going to be friendly to any of the DOJ, FTC, FCC. I don't think the FTC proposed budget is going anywhere though.
In case anyone wants the whole 3hr session: https://www.youtube.com/live/1OQ5T9D9jbE?feature=share
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Those videos were rough. Basically a bunch of man babies trying to paint Lina Khan as the sole reason that US Companies can't do whatever the fuck they want.
Iced Arcade
Member
We are arguing over MS Office now lol 
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Based on the yearly earnings of games like GTA / EA Sport FC - assuming it was able to be exclusive by giving UEFA more money - to their respective publishers, and based on what Xbox already had to pay for their Tomb Raider deal to take it away from PlayStation, and the cost of the residual damage the action could have on a franchise if the foreclosure strategy some how didn't work and they then had to return to PlayStation consumers 1-5years later cap-in-hand.
It's a form of Protectionism imo and not surprising. I am a bit surprised that I haven't seen more public comments against the EC's DMA and DSA but I might have just missed them.
The videos were rather painful, people just repeating their q's.
geary
Member
These Congres type of videos are cringe as fuck, full of people which have no knowledge on the subject, trying to get a "gotcha" moment.
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Varteras
Member
Funny enough, Duncan complains about the European DMA and how it hurts American companies. More specifically, Google and Apple. Yet, without the DMA, Microsoft has virtually no shot at being able to compete with them in the mobile space. So, he's actually in support of an American global duopoly that even other powerful American companies can't crack. I'm not a fan of Khan, she's trying to make a name for herself more than make honest calls, but she was being cut off before explaining her point and then being baited into answering questions in a way that lacked context or nuance. Duncan and Bilirakis are Republicans looking to politically assassinate someone Biden put in place. Right off the bat, they complained about lacking Republicans within the FTC. It's all a political game. This has nothing to do with "what's right and proper".
Goalus
Member
Looks like she's going to jail.Lina Khan is a Queen who will dismantle Microsoft
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Someone starting their sermon with "I'm proud..." is an instant red flag. I demand that she publicly states her pronouns before this goes any further.
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Nothing1234
Banned
What kind of maths is this?
Varteras
Member
nikolino840
Member
Varteras
Member
"Why are you worrying about what's going on in European markets"?
And then...
"Why aren't you concerned about the global market share"?
Goalus
Member
mrmustard
Banned
Some people are so good at it. You can ask them what is 5+5 and they can talk for 5 minutes without saying 10.
Varteras
Member
No. It's political posturing. Republicans are trying to discredit an FTC that is pretty much all Democrat.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Because you need a real legal case to break up the companies. You cannot break them up due to "they are too much" reasoning.
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Varteras
Member
She's being very careful about how she answers because these have all been trap questions. The Republicans are playing The Patriot Game. Basically, they're trying to paint her as "Un-American" while they make themselves look like they're protecting America. Their questions reek of American Protectionism. She's doing exactly what you should expect from a law student. She is pointing out that everything she has done has a precedent before her in the American system and that she has followed the laws and procedures. She is leaving out anything they might try to seize on as a "GOTCHA" moment. Because that is exactly what those questions are designed for.
Yoboman
Member
Bro thinks this is a criminal trial
mrmustard
Banned
Yeah i know how the dirty game works. Those people are all slippery as eels.
"We can all agree that competition law isn't supposed to protect an industry's dominant player?"
Khan "yes."
Pretty open and shut.
Varteras
Member
I've been betting we'd hear from them this week. You think they're going to drag this all the way out?
Alex Scott
Member
I think if they changed their mind about console SLC then we would find out this week. If they didn't change their mind, then they won't response. And we will know the results next week.
Not sure, think hope not (will likely be in the office that day) but think it may be Monday or Tuesday.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
I don't follow. Are you saying it wouldn't cost that much - say to keep a launch GTA6 timed exclusive for five years on Xbox? Or are you saying it would cost far more?
I personally think going by the way the timed exclusive on xbox for tomb raider cost the development/marketing costs according to info hundreds of pages back in this thread, and it effectively killed the IP going by what square sold it for in a bundle, I suspect $10b to damage GTA6 for 5years wouldn't be enough.
EA Sports FC probably would be okay at throwing $1b per year extra at UEFA as compensation for withholding from PlayStation, and keeping a billion for themselves, given that they refused to give Fifa the $2b per year for use of the name recently, and walked away, that type of money would be appropriate IMO if they thought a Mcirosoft foreclosure would work and they'd still get 90% of their usual (PS and Xbox) money from Xbox too.
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mrmustard
Banned
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Why would they give Microsoft more time to argue against a new console SLC argument and put more things on record they could argue at the CAT - if the CMA can now see one again in the figures?
Microsoft and Sony have both had their chance to provide figures in good faith to make that case, and the CMA have provisionally used both, all they would be doing by provisionally publishing again is increasing the risk of making it easier - and lowering the bar for Microsoft to appeal to the CAT - for their decision to be overturned.
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
When you cut out all the bullshit it becomes a pretty simple equation really.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
What if they had asked: "Is competition law supposed to result in such poor wealth distribution so that $2T companies can be a threat to normal competition in all markets they exist?"
Nothing1234
Banned
Microsoft are not spending $10B+ to own nothing though.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
With a CoD, Minecraft and TES foreclosure strategy on-top they would own the whole market after those 5years, wouldn't they?
feynoob
Banned
Let me ask you this question?
Without MS, do you think has any chance to compete with PS?
This isn't Sony VS MS. I just want to hear your honest opinion.
Nothing1234
Banned
You said a $10B marketing campaign with EA and Take 2. Thats never happening.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Nintendo would get a bigger piece of the pie - like they would have with the Gamecube absent Xbox - as a natural order of things in negotiations is to use another as a stalking horse, and either Nintendo or another - superior competitor than Microsoft, probably Valve - would enter the market in the high-end console space with appropriate hardware to run third party games and to provide encouragement for first party development.
If all the current players' brands were gone, the games industry - and the very talented people that want to make games - would still exist plying their trade - even if Microsoft and Windows, and Office
was gone too.The person from Tennessee also said right at the beginning "please look into vertical integration" then went on to question why they're looking at the ABK deal.
Zathalus
Member
Nintendo has exactly zero incentive to move from the handheld domination they have now. It's been over two decades since they competed in the high end space. The failures of the GameCube had very little to do with Xbox and everything to do with Sony domination that gen. The focus overlap between Xbox and GameCube was insignificant next to the PS2 and GameCube overlap. The lack of DVD playback was also a contributing factor.Nintendo would get a bigger piece of the pie - like they would have with the Gamecube absent Xbox - as a natural order of things in negotiations is to use another as a stalking horse, and either Nintendo or another - superior competitor than Microsoft, probably Valve - would enter the market in the high-end console space with appropriate hardware to run third party games and to provide encouragement for first party development.
If all the current players' brands were gone, the games industry - and the very talented people that want to make games - would still exist plying their trade - even if Microsoft and Windows, and Office
Valve is also not going to make a major impact on the console space, they know what their audience likes and a closed console like environment is not that. They may offer something like a Steambox for a console price point, but as with the Steamdeck it's going to be fully open and targeted at power users, not the console crowd. Sales would be insignificant compared to the current consoles and regular PCs.
Realistically, considering the barrier to entry, the home console market is not going to get a third player anytime soon. The sheer cost and investment to compete with the current players is immense. You would need to target dozens of countries, establish a massive marketing presence, start the entire process of API and console design at a attractive price point, develop a entire software development framework, create dozens of custom APIs, work with publishers, get IP, start exclusives, etc, etc, etc.
Something like that would take years and tens of billions of dollars to enter a industry that is established and difficult to penetrate.
Face it, Microsoft is the only competition that Sony has for the home console space.
Jimmyisback
Banned
She's screwed either way.
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