James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Then we are back to Microsoft not caring about profits if this is more about increasing GP subs
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Then we are back to Microsoft not caring about profits if this is more about increasing GP subs
feynoob
Banned
Zuckerberg doesnt have the content to push metaverse. It needs video game industry to push that industry higher. Because they have the capabilities to do that.
These are list of companies who are on the metaverse. There others who are exploring it, but havent taken action yet.
https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/blog/2022/06/23/
https://mobile-magazine.com/articles/top-10-companies-investing-in-the-metaverse-in-2023
The precedent has been set. Sony can't deny cross play at this point. The backlash would be enormous.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I just don't see Microsoft chasing metaverse at all, nor do I see how Activision helps while being fully used for CoD
feynoob
Banned
I gave you an article of MS ceo about metaverse.
Activision has the content, which are suitable for metaverse. Especially from gaming prespective.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
CEOs say a lot of things, doesn't mean anything more than a marketing pitch for why they'd want to buy Activision above and beyond the hat they're known for
feynoob
Banned
But that doesnt mean they wont invest on this market.
PaintTinJr
Gold Member
Not really. They only provided the ability for CoD because ATVI wanted it to make more money from the entire userbase across all platforms.
If ATVI becomes Microsoft owned - working against PlayStation's interests by trying to migrate users, they have every right to withdraw the feature.
The irony would be that CoD would likely grow and generate more money on PlayStation in Microsoft ownership than it could have in ATVI ownership, and kill CoD on xbox, so it is very much a strategy I expect them to enact if the CMA fail to block the deal.
Why do you think there would be a backlash and from who? This is exactly the type of reason why this deal should be blocked IMO, because it is bad enough that an essential input could go first party, but to then foist self-harm constraints on PlayStation like having to keep cross-play - hampering their ability to compete/survive such a big move by a $2T company - would be even worse for competition IMO.
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Killing cross play would also mitigate any damage from gamepass to PlayStation B2P CoD revenues , because despite the cheaper entry price to play, the main userbase would be locked off on another platform.
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Stardust_Dragon
Banned
Not just for COD, but couldn't Sony also just end crossplay with other consoles for all other games too that currently have crossplay enabled on Playstation right now? If they do it with COD, then they might as well go the full distance and pull the plug on crossplay with Xbox consoles for all other games as well.
It is my understanding that SIE is requiring royalties payment by 3rd party publishers for enabling crossplay (at least under certain conditions), so they are getting some monetary benefits by keeping crossplay enabled with Xbox consoles, but maybe SIE will decide a pivot will be necessary here and do away with console crossplay if the Microsoft-Activision merger goes through, and only allow crossplay with PC users (and perhaps Nintendo Switch too).
People may say that's a dumb idea for SIE to do, but if they're ever going to do such a bold move, now would definitely be the best time while their console ecosystem has a lot more momentum and marketshare than Microsoft's console has as of present.
If they try that with Fortnite it'll kill the PlayStation.
sainraja
Member
He was speaking to one aspect of MS's strategy to expand on mobile (which has a bigger marketshare compared with the other devices you mention). MS has an interest there, as evidenced in the Apple vs. Epic lawsuit.
You countered what he was saying by listing out devices the cloud option can be used on, devices whose marketshare isn't as big as mobile (we're talking about low-end devices here given the need to use a cloud-based service). I mean, okay? great? You know, he specifically expanded on that one area to say that using the cloud to grow into the mobile space is a fantasy or something along those lines.
Umm... don't think I was saying that either. Focusing on making mobile content natively is certainly one of the ways they can expand their presence there.
Yeah, and I am not sure you actually did, not in relation to what he was saying about mobile anyway. I read his post in full now instead of simply going by what you quoted; he seems to believe that MS will eventually need to pivot completely to mobile—not necessarily because that is what they want to do—but because, as he believes, they will need to work on mobile content in order to support their service based platform (which I believe is Game Pass Cloud?). I don't see that happening, not necessarily the way he put it, but I don't think you've actually countered what he was saying lol.
My opinion: I think cloud should be an option that people have along with native gaming no matter the device (I understand doing that with some devices is simply impossible). The real question is, and he does touch on this, are there people using mobile phones for gaming, interested in games that are better suited to be played on a TV screen anyway? To expand on this a little, are there even non-gamers out there with phones interested in playing console-like games that require a huge time investment on mobile?
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Stardust_Dragon
Banned
Sony could just offer to keep Fortnite crossplay enabled with PC and Nintendo Switch, but just no Xbox crossplay, so in that case it would be an open question as to if Epic wants to stand their ground against Sony and Playstation or cave to them instead? I don't honestly know for sure who would have the leverage in that situation, but surely it cannot hurt Sony in that Xbox is continuing to bleed console marketshare in the most recent months if the leaks + official NPD (Circana) data is accurate.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yesterday someone was talking about Sony buying Epic and locking the Unreal Engine from all other platforms except Playstation. Today we're talking about Sony forcing cross-play off for games which are widely popular for their cross-play.
Chill, guys. Sometimes y'all pivot it to the extreme. No one's locking anything away from the others.
Chill, guys. Sometimes y'all pivot it to the extreme. No one's locking anything away from the others.
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fred420170
Member
Warzone is a separate download from MW2, you can choose what you want to install from "my games and apps"
I think we've moved from denial to the anger stage.
Goalus
Member
MS should force a Microsoft account on PS for Call of Duty then. That will likely increase the users on their platform. Or migrate all existing Activision accounts to Microsoft accounts.
Stardust_Dragon
Banned
I am quite calm, I am just trying to think of just what are SIE's options in dealing with the Activision-Microsoft merger, and I actually do believe that killing off crossplay with Xbox consoles is not some far out there strategy.
As of now, if they have 10 years before the COD behavior remedy agreement expires, trying to make Xbox as unappealing of a platform to choose for playing online console games in the meantime by only allowing other developers and publishers to limit crossplay with Playstation to PC and Nintendo, but no Xbox could help 'isolate' Xbox online communities with lower population counts for 3rd party online games. Of course, that's only if other publishers agree to cave to SIE's demands, which I'll admit isn't 100% given.
Also, as for the 'No one's locking anything away from the others' statement, like isn't a huge complaint from the Xbox community is that SIE has a lengthy history of locking away content and games with 3rd party games such as Destiny 1, Hogwarts Legacy, Final Fantasy 16, etc? So I don't think it's such an implausible idea that Jim Ryan would attempt such a brutal strategy in regards to limiting crossplay, I don't see him as this nice type of guy that's there to make gaming fun and happy for everyone like Phil Spencer does (or at least Phil's public persona comes off across as anyways), I see Jim as a cold calculating businessman who is out to preside over protecting his business over everything else, damn the fallout and reactions from the wider gaming community.
Topher
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Generalizing arguments is also a form of "pivoting to the extreme". If "someone" says something it doesn't automatically mean everyone else agrees. There is no "we".
You M ManaByte were in denial and moved to anger in accusing ulterior motives because someone dared seek help with their issues in Xbox content sharing. You can't have it both ways.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It serves no purpose other than being petty, though.
Topher
Identifies as young
Generalizing groups of people to an individual's argument is also petty, don't you agree?
Stardust_Dragon
Banned
I think Jim Ryan is very much a petty businessman, who doesn't give a hoot about what a lot of other people think of him, and that he would indeed attempt such a strategy if he thinks it will help undermine the Xbox division.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I sense a little bit of tension in the air...
Varteras
Member
mansoor1980
Member
jim ryan is a champ in my book
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think forum-banter pettiness and billion-dollar business deals pettiness are quite the same thing.
Also, it was definitely more than one user(s) floating the idea of Sony going after Epic in retaliation.
jim ryan is a champ in my book
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demigod
Member
The Peoples Champion!!!jim ryan is a champ in my book
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Microsoft likely to get the OK for $69B takeover of Activision Blizzard from UK regulators: Wedbush
The UK is expected to approve a watershed deal between Microsoft and Activision Blizzard this week—at least, that is the prevailing analyst view. The final...
www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk
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demigod
Member
Please be Michael Pachter.
I play pretty much all COD. Me and my brother love the old MW maps compared to the newer ones so we mostly play MW Remastered.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If it's Pachter and he turns out right, the internet needs to buy him a giant cup of coffee.
gothmog
Gold Member
Sony should go after Epic. Obviously it's going to be an arms race. Who needs 10 year deals when you have mutually assured destruction pulling the biggest GaaSes off each other's platforms. Epic losing to Apple probably changes a lot of the economics as well.I don't think forum-banter pettiness and billion-dollar business deals pettiness are quite the same thing.
Also, it was definitely more than one user(s) floating the idea of Sony going after Epic in retaliation.
mansoor1980
Member
its a screwjob people , the FTC/CMA/MS are all working together to screw sony (with political backing), but they under estimate the power of the playstation , just you wait.
Varteras
Member
If you're referring to the conversation I was a part of, that was someone trying to claim that Sony did not have the legal nor financial means to buy someone like Epic. Which I argued they did. Which then turned into multiple people rushing in saying regulators wouldn't allow that because of UE and Fortnite. That conversation was not entertaining the idea that Sony would buy Epic and withhold UE. It was a disagreement about what Sony is capable of and allowed to do and what regulators might do against them.
HoofHearted
Member
I'm not sure what some of you are smoking in here… but you need to share…
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
TheGodfather07
Member
jim ryan is a champ in my book
Don't care for any of these corporate heads but can't deny that Jim Ryan is killing it right now with PS. They're breaking records every month and selling so much consoles right now. Jim Ryan is making PS as dominant in the US as he did in Europe.
feynoob
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feynoob
Banned
The fuck
Edit: This conversation was part of this
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/...ly-in-exchange-with-us-trade-rep-tai-00088607
Edit: This conversation was part of this
https://subscriber.politicopro.com/...ly-in-exchange-with-us-trade-rep-tai-00088607
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If you bought Microsoft for $500B in 1999 its equivalent to paying $1,000B for Microsoft in 2023 because of inflation. The emergence of trillion dollar companies is a direct result of loose monetary policy which devalued the dollar. Microsoft is worth around $2,000B which is equivalent to $1,000B in 1999 dollars meaning Microsoft effectively doubled its real value over 20+ years which is actually a fairly stable rate of growth when averaged out. You'll see the market cap of companies increase as the dollar devalues itself.
Wealth distribution is different and isn't tied to market cap. The value of a dollar decreased while wages for most people remained stagnant. Those with well paid jobs or existing wealth had the ability to snowball their net worth with minimal risks due to low interest rates. Boomers possessover half of America's wealth because they voted for de-regulation and loose monetary policy after securing their homes, pensions, and other benefits. Millenials and younger have trouble accumulating wealth because they entered a workforce where prices increased without increases in salary.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's not how I wanted to become internet famous lol
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This is from a month ago. Not sure why Post Up is just reposting it now but I suspect he's doing his usual PR thing.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Yup posting congressional hearings is PR now.
feynoob
Banned
The video shows just how absurd the situation is, compared to the article.
feynoob
Banned
Gz, your tag is now famous on the Internet
.MS would do just like they did with Minecraft. Promote the fact that all other versions have cross play and that Xbox + Switch + PC is a larger userbase than just PS by itself.
I assume you're not familiar with Post Up and what he tweets. Maybe go look. Why is he posting month old hearing videos like they're news? He's doing his usual free PR thing.
It was pretty absurd. Even more absurd that he was talking about these Japanese publisher deals as the reason why MS need to own these big western publishers for exclusives not long ago. Now that fanboy is on the side that even those are unfair once the deal is looking to go through. As the saying goes give them an inch and they will take a mile.
feynoob
Banned
Twitter fanboys wants ammo for their fights.
James Sawyer Ford
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Stardust_Dragon
Banned
Except that the strategy I mentioned wouldn't just be a simple 'disable all crossplay' functionality, what I suggested is that SIE could announce publicly (or privately to publishers) that from now on, all online games in Playstation's ecosystem can only have crossplay enabled with PC and Nintendo consoles, which would then place the onus on the 3rd party publishers to choose between having their games enable crossplay for Playstation + PC + Nintendo, or Xbox + PC + Nintendo.
Sure, Minecraft would have crossplay with Playstation disabled but that wouldn't be a surprise since Minecraft is already a 1st party Microsoft owned franchise, so the real question would be what the other publishers would decide to do for their online games that have console crossplay enabled. As of now, I'd find it very plausible that those other publishers would opt to go for the Playstation + PC + Nintendo combo for crossplay, as that would give those games a higher userbase, and then the Xbox online gaming communities would be left out in the cold, resulting in lower online population for their multiplayer games, and longer search times to find matches.
If SIE does decide to go down this route with blocking crossplay with Xbox, then I think that would help bolster the perception among the general gaming population that Playstation provides the better online experience for multiplatform online multiplayer games, and helps further drives Playstation console market share upward relative to Xbox. Again, this strategy would take an iron heart to do, but I think Jim Ryan is a ruthless business executive who feels that he is under no obligation to help assist Xbox at all.
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