Support NeoGAF

[Heisenberg007]

Well Jim just got his ass handed to him. I think Sony should have provided someone else to be questioned, if that was legally possible.

Were you even listening to that call? I thought he did great.

Compare Jim's testimony and then Phil Spencer's testimony, and list how many contradictions you got from each of them. I listed 5+ contradictions from Phil Spencer when he was caught lying red handed. There are several threads on the front page about Phil lying.

Was there any such thing in Jim's testimony?

 

[jm89]

Google guy: "Stadia (cloud game) competed against consoles"

If for you there is no contradiction ....

I've mentioned this before.

2 seperate markets can compete.

Anybody entering cloud gaming will obviously entice customer from other markets like console, those customer won't come out of thin air.

 

[DrFigs]

I don't think he said anything we didn't already know.
I also don't get why it matters if Jim Ryan disagrees with the CMA over the status of cloud gaming. The CMA has their economists and they've decided that it was a separate market - not sure it matters whether playstation sees it that way.

 

[tmlDan]

notice how Benji, after crying last week, is covering it again.

 

[FUBARx89]

Have they caught this witness eating his subway sandwich? Fuck is he saying.

 

[bxrz]

Damn, I'mma have to listen to Jim's prepared keynote later today.

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

- Cloud isn't a market (yet)

Which is the opposite of the CMA's argument for why they blocked the deal. Will 100% come up in the CAT appeal

 

[DeepEnigma]

notice how Benji, after crying last week, is covering it again.

Needs that dopamine hit,

 

[Heisenberg007]

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

- Cloud isn't a market (yet)

Which is the opposite of the CMA's argument for why they blocked the deal. Will 100% come up in the CAT appeal

I don't recall him saying that Cloud is not a market yet.

Not sure if you were listening it live or not (I was), the question was: "how long do you think Cloud will become a financially important part of the SIE business?" He said there are lots of factors involved, and he can't say. But we have invested significantly anticipating that change, and it will be soon (2025-2035).

 

[graywolf323]

They don't realize that it does not change or impact the CMA decision or ECs agreement with the CMA like the think it does. The CMA knew about Jim's views on that prior to their decision since this was recorded on April 7th - 9th, I believe. But narratives gonna narrate.

you almost have to admire how nakedly obvious they are about it, like a dozen different accounts in unison started posting about "lol Jim Ryan destroyed the CMA's case and now this acquisition will definitely happen!"

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This guy with these answers

 

[jm89]

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

If the CMA and other regulators have evidence to say otherwise that's all that wil matter to the regulator. Besides wasn't the CMA saying it was them thinking of putting it on cloud? Game subscriptions service by itself wasn't even a big concerns afaik.

- Cloud isn't a market (yet)

Multiple regulalators have called it a market and called it a nascent markets aswell. CMA and FTC are not alone in this.

 

[Clear]

wut....you really need to explain rather than just say things

I'd prefer to hear a rational explanation of why anyone would stan for Microsoft Corp of all things on antitrust matters!

I mean, its mind-boggling to me that anyone who knows anything about their history would take that position!

 

[b6a6es]

Riiiiight.... so why doesn't Microsoft automatically get all of the 3rd party exclusives from all the publishers throwing their panties at their feet because they're so "powerful" due to their parent company being worth the higher market value?

Xbox 360/ARK2/Stalker2/High on life

 

[Black_Stride]

Is Jim Ryan on Microsofts side?

 

[DJ12]

Hurt PlayStation players yes but as a PC gamers not at all.

And when they aren't incentived to make a good game that sells well as its given away on some sub service and the quality dips tremendously?

 

[MisterXDTV]

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

That proves that GamePass sucks for third-party publishers

That why they told Microsoft: "You want CoD on GamePass? Fine, pay up 69 billion dollars and it's all yours"

 

[DeepEnigma]

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

- Cloud isn't a market (yet)

Which is the opposite of the CMA's argument for why they blocked the deal. Will 100% come up in the CAT appeal

CMA acknowledged themselves that cloud is small (nascent) now. They acknowledged where it would be based on all parties involved projections and scaling each year. The EC also agreed.

What is with this amnesia?

Multiple regulalators have called it a market and called it a nascent markets aswell. CMA and FTC are not alone in this.

Exactly.

 

[Gone]

Any link to listen?

 

[dem]

My head will never get past this nonsense about Nintendo not competing in the same market. It's simply absurd.
They're game consoles. You walk into Walmart.. they're in the same fucking corner. WTF does compute power have to do about it. That's just a lifecycle choice by nintendo.

So if Nintendo releases a console next year that is more powerful than Xbox and PS5... it just created a whole new market?

 

[MisterXDTV]

Any link to listen?

https://kick.com/chapotepro

 

[bxrz]

If the CMA and other regulators have evidence to say otherwise that's all that wil matter to the regulator.



Multiple regulalators have called it a markets and called it a nascent markets aswell. CMA and FTC are not alone in this.

They have no evidence. Thats the point. Activision has never said or alluded to putting their games on a subscription service and Xbox (and now also Playstation) also agree with that.

I don't recall him saying that Cloud is not a market yet.

Not sure if you were listening it live or not (I was), the question was: "how long do you think Cloud will become a financially important part of the SIE business?" He said there are lots of factors involved, and he can't say. But we have invested significantly anticipating that change, and it will be soon (2025-2035).

He said Cloud gaming is a service compliment, not a different market in this testimony

 

[MisterXDTV]

My head will never get past this nonsense about Nintendo not competing in the same market.
It's simply absurd.

So if Nintendo releases a console next year that is more powerful than Xbox and PS5... it just created a whole new market?

To create a new market they would have to launch a $800 dollar console...

You know it's not going to happen

 

[DForce]

He said:

- Activision wouldn't put their games in a subscription service on their own

- Cloud isn't a market (yet)

Which is the opposite of the CMA's argument for why they blocked the deal. Will 100% come up in the CAT appeal

Sony said the acquisition would harm PlayStation.
CMA disagreed.

You're going with the belief that the CMA Is working with Sony.

Both the EU and the CMA raised concerns over the growing cloud market, but the EU is the one who accepted remedies.

 

[Bernoulli]

Who is talking now?

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yup. He dismantled the CMA's entire argument

He didn't, he supported it by mentioning their big investments in it since 2014, and it being a service component of their playstation platform, which he wasn't claiming definitively for cloud gaming, just how PlayStation were doing it, while waiting to see how the nascent market operated alongside or in place of consoles.

If anything, Jim's words will have the Judge understanding that cloud gaming is a nascent market and that even the console market leader is flying blind, and by extension the market needs protection from anti-competitive moves to protect competition opportunities.

 

[Three]

My head will never get past this nonsense about Nintendo not competing in the same market.
It's simply absurd.

So if Nintendo releases a console next year that is more powerful than Xbox and PS5... it just created a whole new market?

No, if it gets the games PS5 and xbox get why would it be a different market? It would be the high performance console.

Who is talking now?

FTC economist/professor

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

notice how Benji, after crying last week, is covering it again.

Sorry for the language, but he's a dumb mf sometimes.

 

[M16]

Sony listing Nintendo as a direct competitor in their filings to the CMA during the bungie acquisition. oh my

 

[Heisenberg007]

He said Cloud gaming is a service compliment, not a different market in this testimony

If you say so. Perhaps I missed that. But as far as I remember, that "compliment" thing was about PS+ subscription service. Not about the general cloud market.

 

[splattered]

Sorry for the language, but he's a dumb mf sometimes.

He's a nice person, you shouldn't be so harsh

 

[FritzJ92]

He didn't, he supported it by mentioning their big investments in it since 2014, and it being a service component of their playstation platform, which he wasn't claiming definitively for cloud gaming, just how PlayStation were doing it, while waiting to see how the nascent market operated alongside or in place of consoles.

If anything, Jim's words will have the Judge understanding that cloud gaming is a nascent market and that even the console market leader is flying blind, and by extension the market needs protection from anti-competitive moves to protect competition opportunities.

Jim confirmed cloud should not be something to worry about. In his words "no one can predict the cloud market"

 

[Kvally]

Were you even listening to that call?

I was listening. It was the one that had a guy with a white baseball cap on, and the CC was in spanish.

 

[dem]

No, if it gets the games PS5 and xbox get why would it be a different market? It would be the high performance console.


FTC economist/professor

Dreamcast didn't get the games PS2 got.
Was it a different market?

But whatever.. I'm not going to go into the weeds about this.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Jigsaah]

Uh oh. When they bought Bungie they clearly considered Nintendo as a competitor based on their filing with the regulators. That's not what Jimbo said....

 

[Heisenberg007]

I was listening. It was the one that had a guy with a white baseball cap on, and the CC was in spanish.

Oh that devilishly handsome fella!

 

[jm89]

He said Cloud gaming is a service compliment

For sony yes that is true.

How one participant gaming service is structured != cloud gaming is not a seperate market.

 

[splattered]

If you say so. Perhaps I missed that. But as far as I remember, that "compliment" thing was about PS+ subscription service. Not about the general cloud market.

He said it about the cloud, but this was recorded back in April and i don't think anything revealed today is going to sway the CMA appeal because they already had access to this not to mention several meetings with Sony on the subject i am sure. Then again now that Microsoft is seeing this maybe they can use it in an argument against CMA reasoning? I have no idea

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dreamcast didn't get the games PS2 got.
Was it a different market?

What year did Sega cancel the Dreamcast?

 

[Kilau]

What year did Sega cancel the Dreamcast?

In hindsight, 1998

 

[Jigsaah]

Oh man the dodging...who is this on the stand?

 

[Bernoulli]

Who is this expert analysts working for?

 

[Z O N E]

I thought Jim Ryan was getting slapped but this poor guy is going to leave the room wondering why he took up FTCs offer to be there.

 

[Nothing1234]

This back and forth is so funny.

 

[MisterXDTV]

What year did Sega cancel the Dreamcast?

It was dead in 2001, a lifetime ago

 

[Kvally]

Oh that devilishly handsome fella!

Hey now...I don't swing both ways....but if I did.....

 

[IntentionalPun]

Who is this expert analysts working for?

He's an FTC witness.

 

[Darsxx82]

Who is this expert analysts working for?

for FTC

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Who's lawyer is this?

 

[splattered]

Anyone here/twitter paraphrasing anymore? I am not listening as i'm at work

 

[Z O N E]

Oh man the dodging...who is this on the stand?

An economist Prof from Harvard retained by FTC to be a witness for them. (can't remember the name)