mckmas8808
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But I still do like AAA gaming, that's the thing. It's not boring at all. I think having a VR headset helps keep a good change of pace too.
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But I still do like AAA gaming, that's the thing. It's not boring at all. I think having a VR headset helps keep a good change of pace too.
Banjo64
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zapper
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yes, but we have to hope that the third parties are able to weather a potential decline in sales that are likely to occur and that they are able to sustain themselves without having to sell
Jigsaah
Gold Member
He ain't lyin...
93xfan
Banned
A guy with the name Banjo 64 doesn't care about older games. Keep telling yourself that.
Also, MS has been vocal about forwards compatibility. Sony has been quiet on this for some reason. Enjoy your rentals
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What are you personally afraid of with forward compatiblity? That some PS6 games wont play on the PS5?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I would accept it as long as Phil is still involved somehow. I don't look forward to seeing Bobby in any showcases though. Keep Phil and get Sarah Bond some acting lessons and we're good.
Bobby as Head of Xbox should be strictly behind the scenes.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Couldn't give a toss mate.
Has your brain been partially foreclosed by Microsoft? You're shilling Game Pass, and then coming out with a corker like that?
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feynoob
Banned
You havent experienced your burnout yet.
You will know what what we are talking by that time.
You will feel like your world is changing. The energy that you had before will slowly fade away. And enjoyment that you experience will become a chore.
93xfan
Banned
That Sony will eventually count the cost of getting all PS4 games moving forward to the PS6 and beyond and pulling another Sony
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I'm not a fan of the GamePass model or what it can lead to either.
But I won't miss out on Xbox exclusive games that I want. Which really sucks because i'm "part of the problem" and actually bought an Xbox due to Phil making Starfield exclusive.
But, I'll never buy a single game on the platform. I'll sub once or twice a year for a max of $30 and play the games I want to play.
I don't see how this business model is sustainable at all for big games, which is why I feel it will start trying to make everything into some Sea of Thieves GaaS experience which is totally not my thing.
feynoob
Banned
Jigsaah
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Ass of Can Whooping
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There's practically no cost dude. Go back to whining about socom lol
93xfan
Banned
Not my fault if you can't follow more than one subject.Couldn't give a toss mate.
Has your brain been partially foreclosed by Microsoft? You're shilling Game Pass, and then coming out with a corker like that?
Sleepwalker
Member
Realistically though, assuming COD becomes exclusive and is also on gamepass, how much will it actually sell in units? Being "free" on a sub + being exclusive would decimate the unit sales numbers very quick. I don't think it will become exclusive, but this is a thought experiment after all.
93xfan
Banned
Careful, I might…
Banjo64
cumsessed
I never said it was.
Kilau
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bender
What time is it?
That would be MAGnificent.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I don't think it will either. Too much money to be made. It's gotta subsidize Bethesda games being exclusive too and on gamepass. I think it's very unlikely COD ever goes exclusive.
They still gotta release games on Steam and now Switch based on the deals they struck. Playstation would get a similar deal if Jim would just sign the damn thing.
Sleepwalker
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Man's trying to rival the opening monologue from Fellowship of the Ring.
feynoob
Banned
I will fix that well for you.
Average GP cost is 14$ with price increase (no more 1$).
Add conversions and you are looking around 10$ -11$.
Assuming GP gets 40+m with cod due to exclusivity, you will see around 6.7b revenue yearly.
As long as MS can increase GP price, they will be able to cover those sales.
But that is not good for them.
COD main money comes from mtx, not from sales. You don't want a game like that exclusive, otherwise you are losing potential revenue. Even if GP can cover those copy sold.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Be honest. Mobile games are different from PC/console gaming. Different markets.
feynoob
Banned
Being in prison in this thread makes you expert in monologues.
Soon I will be Morgan Freeman of this thread.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
This is the same energy I had when I reluctantly bought a 360 when GTA DLC was exclusive. I tried to do it in the way that least rewarded MS. So took heart in the fact they they probably lost money on the hardware and I never actually bought the game as I could use my friends HDD that had it installed.
In later years I actually softened on Xbox and bought an Xbox one when Sunset Overdrive came out as I really liked Insomniac and was interested in them funding a game with them. I also bought a Series X at launch as I'd quite enjoyed the XB1 and what they were doing with backwards compatibility, think I've spent more time playing 360 games than Series X games, they should be commended on their approach to that.
Now with this move and their constant duplicity, I'm not feeling them. I would have happily paid £70 for starfield, but now I want to vote with my wallet. Best thing to do is either not buy it, or like you say, just 'rent' it from Gamepass for a month or two. The real answer, like most games, is to probably wait 6 months until it's fully patched and get it for next to nothing in a sale.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why would Sony want to pay for Microsofts marketing of Microsofts game?No, Kotik specifically offered it to them.
Mythoclast
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Really don't get the hate from many users here for the GamePass model. Why do you need to own games? How many games from the N64 era have you replayed directly from the cartridge in the last 5 years? Nostalgia can suck it.
I am a huge physical collector. Try to buy every game physically, but for collecting purposes, not actual usability.
As much as I dislike Sony's approach to exclusives, they get one thing right. Most normal people play the newest games, not games released 20 years ago. In that sense, owning a game for perpetuity is unnecessary and useless.
I am a huge physical collector. Try to buy every game physically, but for collecting purposes, not actual usability.
As much as I dislike Sony's approach to exclusives, they get one thing right. Most normal people play the newest games, not games released 20 years ago. In that sense, owning a game for perpetuity is unnecessary and useless.
ulantan
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... I like having my things and using them whenever I want even if that's years down the line when a service isn't available.
Zathalus
Member
That article is hilariously out of date. The approach Microsoft takes to Linux and open source has changed dramatically in the past 5 years. Mostly thanks to Azure and GitHub. Frankly anybody who works with any modern Microsoft project would know this.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They would still the standard platform revenue share and would have the rights to exclusive hardware bundles.
But that's a moot point now, Jim already refused.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Well considering the huge hit they were taking on every hardware unit sold for the first few years. And lets make no mistake about it, after the serial disasters and fuckups of the first 5 years they really turned it around and ended the generation in better shape than Xbox in spite of what the shills were predicting.
That's based on them taking a 30% cut for their platform, now consider that if you remove those sales from Activision do the math on how much they will lose every year. As I noted previously, you aren't going to replace every PS user with a new user, certainly not in the short-term because that would be a fiscal blood-bath.
Not at all, they just need popular content to plug the gap. Nothing is irreplacable so long as the overall offer remains strong. Nintendo seem to do just fine despite the absence of CoD after all.
The future is always unknown. Who knows whether or how popular tastes will change, what new styles or IP will rise up to prominence. There's no substitute for competent management because that's what keeps a company successful, not their past successes or what properties they own.
Xbox in the 360 era seemed unstoppable, but they managed to completely fuck things up by making the wrong bets and becoming complacent over the course of that generation.
The bottom line is despite so much hype about how improved Xbox is in the Gamepass era, its still third in a field of 3. Do you honestly think buying ABK is going to turn things around for them so starkly? That getting exclusivity on a bunch of franchises THEY HAVE HAD ON THEIR PLATFORM ALL ALONG is suddenly going to launch them into the stratosphere?
Topher
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This is true. I use linux in docker containers that I deploy to Azure.
feynoob
Banned
I am sorry but that would be impossible.
If it weren't for BC, most games these days would have been unusable.
You can own as much as you want to, but it all depends on the platform owner.
PS3 is the outliner for that.
Mythoclast
Member
We need to accept the fact that physical media will disappear, just as it did for movies and music. That is inevitable.
The other two options are buying a license for a game (which BTW can be revoked if you get banned) or pay a monthly sum to taste a variety of recent games. I don't say the option to buy games should not exist, but GamePass to me is a good value proposition and should exist as well.
There's a reason why Spotify and Netflix were such a hit. People realize they don't need to own media. Same thing will happen to games.
ulantan
Member
Yeah it's shit though when something leaves one of these services they become hard or even impossible to access. On top of that do to get the few games you play each year you now would have to sign up to multiple various priced services to play 1 to 2 games a year on each service. What a fucked vision of media consumption.
But COD is still on PlayStation. Do you really think every gamer will just move to gamepass to get COD?
Unfortunately the entire industry is moving that way. Not just Xbox.
feynoob
Banned
Not revenue. They were in red with PS3. Even after selling 85+m.
That is US alone. It doesn't include worldwidw.
You are looking around 500+m revenue from cod.
From FTC documents, some Sony games cost 200+m to make. That revenue alone will cover 2 AAA Sony games and 1AAA timed exclusive for 1 year. And since COD is yearly, that money will keep coming nonstop.
6 years of COD is worth 3b revenue. Do you know how much benefit Sony will get from that money?
You can't cover a yearly game like COD. That is impossible.
Look at FF16. That is a huge game and it's not even guaranteed to crack 8m by the end of this year.
Sony could do the same thing. Nothing is guaranteed in this world.
Look at the mess that was PS3 after PS2 success.
First or 3rd is meaningless. One fk up and you lose your place.
Nintendo went for Wii to Wii U to Switch.
Sony went from PS2 to PS3 to PS4 to PS5.
While Xbox went from X360 to Xbox one to XBS. In this gen, they will own both Bethesda and Activision. That was impossible thing to imagine to Xbox one.
It all depends on who the management is. If Xbox changes their current management, they can be a serious threat with the content and MS full backing. Imagine bobby leading Xbox with MS money. It's why you don't count on your future.
feynoob
Banned
No, because there isnt enough Xbox to satisfy those people.
It's why making the game exclusive makes 0 sense. Xbox will need to sell 100m Xbox consoles to make it exclusive. Doubt they will do that with current management.
Then I don't understand your argument. Maybe I am missing something.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
it makes Some sense. but is the same reason why Minecraft is multi platform. i don't think is a "money issue".
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I don't see it
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Everything is a money issue.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
Can the Death Star win already 
Mythoclast
Member
The best thing to do business wise is to make COD timed-exclusive (TM). You get the fanboys buying an Xbox to play COD day 1 and also the Sony Money 1 month later.
Eotheod
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So what is the current situation? FTC appeal failed, now waiting on Monday as that is the original close date? Kind of hard to follow with all the stupid shit in-between from people getting pissy about each side's comments, though I guess the thread would be a lot smaller if it was just news.
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