havoc00
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I actually play this video while playing Redfall I just made it to the second section of the game
The truth is ... Xbox ditched generations with the Xbox One.
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For me, I understood the new gen as being much more powerful and with SSD's instead of HDD's. But in addition I felt the PS5's implementation of haptics and adaptive triggers did define it further as next gen. And whilst I get
HeisenbergFX4
more diplomatic take on Jizz's motivation. I personally think its just an attempt to trivialise the PS5 Pro's appearance on the horizon, with Xbox having nothing at this time to respond with.
HeisenbergFX4
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I believe IF Xbox is trying to squeeze out the next Xbox a year ish after the PS5 Pro they will go on a full court press getting info out there just before the Pro launchesFor me, I understood the new gen as being much more powerful and with SSD's instead of HDD's. But in addition I felt the PS5's implementation of haptics and adaptive triggers did define it further as next gen. And whilst I get
HeisenbergFX4
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Sadly no it was just talk on Discord
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Yeah, at that time, it will be amusing to see if Xbox generations suddenly become important to Jizz & Co...
Blood Borne
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For the fact that there are games that can only be played on Xbox Series consoles and not on Xbox One, makes it generational by definition.
Crayon
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THE discord? The Xboxera one?
Taur007
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What 4d narratives? This has always been known the X was a premium console, MS messed up by making the S too weak, it should've been at least 6 - 7tf like the one x was, and more memory. the cpu already smokes PS5 so they're good there
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Topher
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The 4d narrative in the OP. This bullshit about ditching generations. That has nothing to do with XSX being a "premium console". It is some contrived nonsense pretending XSX is part of the Xbox One generation.
FunkMiller
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This Is the kind of bullshit you have to come up with when your business strategy renders your powerful games console completely fucking pointless.
HeisenbergFX4
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Oh no, private Discords where there are a very few of us and by invite only
Where people like Ybarra and Phil Spencer (and other higher ups at game studios) go to chat when they want to actually game in peace
ShirAhava
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The PS5 and Series X just being glorified "Super"-Pro consoles is something I've been saying since early 2021
They are both shit and have no real reason to exist outside of 4K blu ray, VR(PS5) and being an xcloud server for gamepass(SERIES X)
This generation could have been PS4 Pro, Series S and Switch and almost nothing of value would have been lost
Home consoles are just a hop, skip and a jump from being a scam....we are one or two generations away from the only 'upgrade' being a boost in RT cores and Ai tech thats not a future I want any part of
They are both shit and have no real reason to exist outside of 4K blu ray, VR(PS5) and being an xcloud server for gamepass(SERIES X)
This generation could have been PS4 Pro, Series S and Switch and almost nothing of value would have been lost
Home consoles are just a hop, skip and a jump from being a scam....we are one or two generations away from the only 'upgrade' being a boost in RT cores and Ai tech thats not a future I want any part of
Crayon
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Well I believe you but that's not enough for me to rub in everyone's face for years to come. I was really excited there for a minute.
Topher
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Marching orders? About the next Xbox console?
HeisenbergFX4
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Literally everything when certain people on Social Medias parrot each other
Topher
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Ah.....those "armies".
Guys like jez and his ilk are why xbox will ultimately fail. If you keep making excuses then MS has no reason to improve. We're going on nearly a decade of this shit. Outside of buying up third party publishers xbox has been a failure. Stop lapping up the crap and hold them accountable.
Bernoulli
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Is it 100% a console or could that be a handheld?
With spencer being in discards with warriors I think his vision or how he sees the need for gamers is flawed
Like pushing the power narrative just because it was one of the talking points for the PS4 by his army
Crayon
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Idk if it's they have no reason to improve. I do think it might fuck up their feedback on how to improve though. Go on era or Twitter in 2019 and you would think that gamers at large had sworn off ps and were all going to switch to Xbox the second series x came out.
The irony is they are the ones who make this shit up in the first place. Check the leaked slides about "this is what players will be saying". Then they carry on like getting people to say it will get them somewhere. All it gets is an illusion online that Xbox is more popular than it really is.
HeisenbergFX4
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The discussion was 100% a console but do I think its 100% set in stone?
More like 80 ish
And I don't know if Phil hangs out in Discords with warriors, the Discords I hang out in are 100% without warriors
StereoVsn
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Xbox One X on the other hand was pretty damn great console. To be fair I mostly used it for BC and occasional GamePass title, but hardware wise it was pretty awesome.
I also like XSX hardware wise, minus stupid proprietary storage.
Now, Microsoft Xbox handling of their studios, business practices, marketing and everything else is kind of shit. Well, minus BC side, which was cool of them to do and I wish they didn't stop. It's probably the main reason I got XSX at launch.
Mibu no ookami
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Nintendo is late to the party because they aren't directly competing for the same audience. As such you'll find Nintendo products as a complement to other products. Not many people are going to find many advantages from having an XSX and a PS5. MAYBE an XSS and gamepass and a PS5.
As such Nintendo can really dictate their own pace for the most part, run high margins towards the end of the product life cycle. Nintendo though faces serious risks in maintaining a hybrid model going forward and convincing people that the Switch is worth upgrading from.
It's actually entirely far-fetched. Cell Phones have an entirely different use case. People carry them wherever they go. Getting the benefits out of a new model makes a lot more sense, especially since those benefits don't have to be programmed in. The way upgrades work too would not benefit consoles.
Imagine an annual release of console hardware. What is the value of the console released in year 0 by year 2? Imagine you buy a console at 500 dollars. To differentiate, you're going to need to drop that price at least 100 dollars by year 2. Now you have a bunch of inventory that is sitting on shelves losing value. Cell phones aren't sold for a loss, this is why they can run that model.
Not to mention the optimization you're going to have to do on games to make sure they utilize all the advantages of new units and you'll never be able to incorporate exclusive features because not enough games will support them.
They don't realize that encouraging the market to "wait and see" especially if it isn't true is extremely damaging to the brand. Who wants to buy a console today that could be defunct within 2-3 years? And average consumers get this information too. Average consumers ask core gamers for their opinions.
GamePass on Xbox Series/One is the largest percentage of their userbase and most consistent. You can't spend billions on 3rd party content (let alone put your own games day 1 on gamepass) without having consistent subscribers, which you're not going to get for other platforms, certainly not streaming devices.
People are really struggling to understand that GamePass can not exist today without Xbox. It wouldn't be sustainable.
They really don't.
People care about games and platforms, they don't care about publishers. I doubt CoD has anymore overlap with Overwatch than Fortnite.
I think this hurt the Vita and the Wii U as well.
The second they announce a major title for PS/Nintendo that isn't a legacy title, it's over for the brand. They'll get an exception perhaps for a game like Blade because of the licensing, but if they were to announce the next Halo was going to be on PS5, Xbox sales would crater.
I doubt it. You'd have at least an entire year of no one buying the XSX and you can't concede an entire year just to get a year or two headstart.
I see why you'd say that, but it just isn't true. The reason why you are saying that is because games are extremely scalable now, there are diminished returns on graphics, and because of backward compatibility.
This generation has a lot to separate itself actually: VRR, SSDs, significantly improved VR, much better controller, and enhanced BC.
PS4 doesn't play PS3 games, has serious framerate issues on games, extremely long loading times, and very limited VR capability.
But you look at PC and most minimum requirements go back as far as the PS4. The PS4 and X1 are going to inherit some scalability options with PS5/XSX, but that probably won't be true of PS6/NextBox. I think as a result we have to start looking at generations being more linked than they have been in the past, which isn't necessarily a good thing or a bad thing.
Look at Sony and they are creating serious value and foundation for a PS6. PS6 will probably have a wireless VR solution in PSVR3 and it'll have a large back catalog of games that can be played day 1. This will be something exclusive to PS6.
PS6 will probably have a PCIE6 SSD which will make the PS5 SSD look like a mechanical drive.
There have never really been generations at all when it comes to PC gaming and console generations are just becoming a bit more iterative.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Lethal levels of Copium being consumed here
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Varteras
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My god man. I was joking.
Mibu no ookami
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Thanks for the clarification. It's impossible to tell these days.
Varteras
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No prob! I get what you mean.
Heisenberg007
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Heisenberg007
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No, literally nothing has changed. Nobody is moving in any weird direction; it is as has always been.
Both PS and Xbox launched new generation consoles in 2020. Phil Spencer said they had a plan to win this generation, just like he said in 2013 before the launch of Xbox One and PS4.
Since then, nothing has changed. The Series X|S follows the exact time period with market competitors.
This generation is still supposed to have a PS5 Pro (just like a PS4 Pro) and a PS6 to launch in 2027/2028 -- the usual ~7-year period.
If Xbox decides to move away its timeline, it simply means they were defeated and are now running away from the competition. In that case, it will be Xbox that changes directions. The industry will not. Everything else remains the same. Just like Sega bowed out of the console market because they couldn't compete. Everything else remained the same.
VitoNotVito
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Mibu no ookami
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I mean it makes sense for Microsoft to not stick with 7 years after the failure of the XBS.
The OG Xbox actually came out after the PS2 and the Xbox 360 came out before the PS3. Only 4 years separated the Xbox and Xbox 360.
Sony sticking to a longer timeline and maximizing the PS2 probably came at a cost there a bit (among other things).
I think Microsoft has acknowledged that this system has failed and need to take another crack at things, but given the scalability of gaming I don't think we have the same parameters as we did in 2005. I would be stunned if Microsoft could put out a system significantly more powerful than the PS5 Pro just a year later without heavily subsidizing it and even then I think people would be cautious about buying it.
The audience most likely to buy it would be your hardcore consumers who just dropped 500 dollars within the last 2-3 years and in many cases with a lot of difficulty trying to find an XSX just for it to be largely discontinued.
Only thing I could imagine would be Microsoft trying to kill off the XSS with the XSX having some cross platform access with X5 games, but the XSS being left out, but given XSS is probably at least 50% of your market, not sure how that doesn't blow up in your face either.
Majormaxxx
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Xbox one was the fuck up. They did their best to fix it... But marketing lives in the mind of the consumer and there the battle was lost.
One x is a wonderful console. So is the series..
Heisenberg007
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That strategy is already primed for failure. There are only so many things you can do with console hardware: price, power, and third-party support.
- Xbox has tried the 'price' angle with Series S. Failed.
- Xbox has tried the 'power' angle with Series X. Failed.
- Xbox has the smallest third-party support.
That model actually could have worked if it wasn't for TVs coming with all the apps & Fire sticks , Google TV , Google Nest , Echo & so on bringing all these new features to people's homes so people don't really care about the extra stuff that consoles can do anymore.
It's actually pretty funny that Sony & Microsoft was fighting for the living room because Microsoft was worried that the consoles was going to end up replacing the home PC for most tasks but Amazon & Google walked right in & took over the whole house lol.
Alexa & Hey Google is doing exactly what Sony wanted PlayStation 3 to do & what Microsoft wanted Kinect to do.
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Just a few more versions & Xbox One will be ahead of PS4Xbox Series X = Xbox One Pro?
Heisenberg007
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Not really. Xbox One, despite the PR launch debacle, competed very well with the PS4 for the first few years. It also launched with more games than Series X|S.
Here is a report from 2016.
Xbox One Outsells PS4 for the Fourth Month in a Row
Aided by newly released shooters Gears of War 4 and Battlefield 1, Microsoft's Xbox One console outsold Sony's PS4 for the month of October 2016, making it four months in a row.
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The failure began after a few years ... when the good exclusive games dried up and when competition (PlayStation Studios) up their game significantly; Xbox Studios failed to keep up. Then Series X|S launched with 0 big exclusive games.
ChorizoPicozo
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the fuck up began since the second half of the 360 era.
IllegalLemon
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No, that's just Jez with his usual retarded mental gymnastics.
Ah yes, that would mean that
"We lost the biggest console generation there is to lose"
will be a pepetual state of things going forward, according to Jez.
Embearded
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He is a complete clown that says whatever makes his favorite platform look better.
There are well defined generations and it's pretty easy to spot them, on the game packages where it says "Xbox Series X|S". If you insert that disc in an One what happens??
The fact that you can use your mothers toaster to stream games from their servers doesn't mean anything about generations.
What kind of SDK do developers use for their games then? Why can't One X play Series only games a they promised last gen?
There are well defined generations and it's pretty easy to spot them, on the game packages where it says "Xbox Series X|S". If you insert that disc in an One what happens??
The fact that you can use your mothers toaster to stream games from their servers doesn't mean anything about generations.
What kind of SDK do developers use for their games then? Why can't One X play Series only games a they promised last gen?
Majormaxxx
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are you referring to kinect? That was a weird push!
Majormaxxx
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I am not an XBOX hater. In fact one X made me a believer. I have a few one X's and a series X console.Not really. Xbox One, despite the PR launch debacle, competed very well with the PS4 for the first few years. It also launched with more games than Series X|S.
Here is a report from 2016.
Xbox One Outsells PS4 for the Fourth Month in a Row
Aided by newly released shooters Gears of War 4 and Battlefield 1, Microsoft's Xbox One console outsold Sony's PS4 for the month of October 2016, making it four months in a row.
The failure began after a few years ... when the good exclusive games dried up and when competition (PlayStation Studios) up their game significantly; Xbox Studios failed to keep up. Then Series X|S launched with 0 big exclusive games.
But during the VCR era of XBOX, PS4 was KING!!!
Almost everything besides 20 or so exclusives was found on PS4 and it ran better. PS4 had better price, better design, better performance.
Lifetime sales of the PS5 are 117mln. Xbox one - 58mln.
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FalconPunch
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Wrong. The Xbox series is a massive fuck up. Launching 2 consoles was a boneheaded move that didn't address their biggest issue, games. Power doesn't mean shit. People don't buy consoles to play specs, they buy it to play games. Games that are different than the ones they played previously. Games that offer new experiences. That's the whole point of generations. A new generation brings the promise of new but in the case of Xbox, it just brought more of the same. Same controller with barely any improvements. Same UI with a ui update failing to come for 3 years after launch. Even then, the new UI is still samey. Seriously weak sauce. No good games launched for 2 years and when they finally started launching games, they had a lot of misses.
Power your dreams was the slogan leading into launch and this dream has been nothing short of a nightmare. I bought the Xbox series X at launch and didn't have one good exclusive game to play. It was the worst console launch in history bar none. Even the Xbox one was better. Trying to spin this as an Xbox one problem is just a horrid take. I could go on and on. I even made a thread charting Phil Spencer's failures as leader of Xbox. How this guy hasn't been fired is beyond me.
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Heisenberg007
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I agree with that. I'm just saying that the Xbox launch period wasn't really bad (apart from the PR debacle). It actually competed very well at the start. The real damage came a few years later when the exclusives dried up and new consoles started launching without must-play exclusives - which has also stretched into this generation.