Is Xbox going down next week for real?
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Punished Miku
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It's nothing to worry about, just a business update. It's like E3 but focusing on accounting.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Like a hooker in Vegas.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
no. Xbox has a Bright bright future.
Daneel Elijah
Member
I think that Xbox is dead. But Microsoft Gaming is not. And maybe will one day come back like Atari had a retro console not long ago. So I voted yes, but you may consider my vote a TeamBS if you want.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Going down? No.
Very significant redirection of strategy in the console market? Yes.
Very significant redirection of strategy in the console market? Yes.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Going down? No, not at all. Too much money on the table. Shift in strategy though away from complete exclusives and into a timed exclusive mentality? Absolutly.
The problem here is Microsoft is entering a very bad period for Xbox branded hardware. Going multiplatform, even if just for certain titles via timed exclusives, is going to absolutely destroy the Xbox hardware division longterm, as why would most people buy an xbox console over a Playstation if all the big games will be coming to PS eventually.
Do I think there will be another Xbox generation? Yes. Do I think Xbox is in the worse shape its ever been in though? Yes, and I think its going to get worse, and this whole multiplatfom thing is MS seeing the potential end and hedging its bets. There is still a chance things turn around, but the leadership of MS is making sure they are ready for if doesnt.
Long term I think MS wants to be a software/cloud provider who has 3rd parties make hardware (streaming devices) for a full cloud driven ecosystem. I think they want out of the dedicated hardware business but can't pull out fast without destroying the whole gaming brand and losing major mindshare. So its going to be slow, and this is the first big inflection point. I think they've known this for awhile and its why Gamepass even exist, and why they wanted Activision, they needed big players under their umbrella to force the games into their vision, otherwise all these devs would just jump to be primary Sony 3rd party partners.
I think there will be one more xbox generation though as I think they want to set a hardware baseline for future titles with one last dedicated device. After that I image it slowly walks away from hardware, you'll see more and more ads/marketing about MS games/services and less and less about dedicated hardware, to the point where the service of GamePass will be what is talked about when talking about MS Games. We're already seeing that in some regards. Passed that I have no idea what could happen, I've been a big advocate that the whole industry needs to be shaken to its core and the AAA market reset. I think that may be happening right now in realtime, but not because of MS's moves, rather just the cost of AAA games has gotten so crazy high its reaching a destructive point for all participants (though we are seeing that in lots of industries, not just games, the world is very out of balance right now.)
The problem here is Microsoft is entering a very bad period for Xbox branded hardware. Going multiplatform, even if just for certain titles via timed exclusives, is going to absolutely destroy the Xbox hardware division longterm, as why would most people buy an xbox console over a Playstation if all the big games will be coming to PS eventually.
Do I think there will be another Xbox generation? Yes. Do I think Xbox is in the worse shape its ever been in though? Yes, and I think its going to get worse, and this whole multiplatfom thing is MS seeing the potential end and hedging its bets. There is still a chance things turn around, but the leadership of MS is making sure they are ready for if doesnt.
Long term I think MS wants to be a software/cloud provider who has 3rd parties make hardware (streaming devices) for a full cloud driven ecosystem. I think they want out of the dedicated hardware business but can't pull out fast without destroying the whole gaming brand and losing major mindshare. So its going to be slow, and this is the first big inflection point. I think they've known this for awhile and its why Gamepass even exist, and why they wanted Activision, they needed big players under their umbrella to force the games into their vision, otherwise all these devs would just jump to be primary Sony 3rd party partners.
I think there will be one more xbox generation though as I think they want to set a hardware baseline for future titles with one last dedicated device. After that I image it slowly walks away from hardware, you'll see more and more ads/marketing about MS games/services and less and less about dedicated hardware, to the point where the service of GamePass will be what is talked about when talking about MS Games. We're already seeing that in some regards. Passed that I have no idea what could happen, I've been a big advocate that the whole industry needs to be shaken to its core and the AAA market reset. I think that may be happening right now in realtime, but not because of MS's moves, rather just the cost of AAA games has gotten so crazy high its reaching a destructive point for all participants (though we are seeing that in lots of industries, not just games, the world is very out of balance right now.)
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Horseganador
Member
That's going to happen.
Ar¢tos
Member
I agree. When has a rumour or leak ever been true?
All these rumours coming from multiple sources are just people being mean.
Seriously, someone in a MS studio uses a ps5 devkit as a paperweight and all hell breaks loose.
Kurotri
Member
I personally believe that no matter how much it morphs, crashes and burns Xbox will always be there to stay. Like some sort of zombie. They will not leave the hardware business nor will they exit gaming in general. I just don't see it. Worst comes to worst, they'll be a third-party publisher. But they have so much money that they can just try again and again. Xbox is an established, known brand. Imo, even with all the baggage it comes with, it's sort of...an enviable position? It's genuinely hard to break into this industry and I don't think MS will want to just toss that away. The business update will be just that, a business update. They'll tell people that they'll do multiplatform, that they'll do hardware still, and then introduce SOME hook. Even if they put Activision and Bethesda games on PS5, they can still tell people that only Xbox players can play Fable day 1 on game pass. Xbox is here to stay.
Now whether they can become a respectable force again like in the 360 days or continue their clown parade is another matter. I'm going with the latter.
Now whether they can become a respectable force again like in the 360 days or continue their clown parade is another matter. I'm going with the latter.
Sethbacca
Member
Agreed, funeral pyres would tend to give off a lot of light
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Well it has to be bigger than denying it outright or something minor that could be put in a tweet.
I'm wondering if they'll be clear for once, or let Phil do his weaselly double speak.
I'm wondering if they'll be clear for once, or let Phil do his weaselly double speak.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Quantum253
Gold Member
I look forward to the extensive breakdown of how some layoffs led to rumors about game exclusivity, turned to leakers leaking info with no evidence, to "influencers" going nuts and making extensive abandonment posts, to now everything is on fire.
Xbox will be fine even if a re-structure is announced and a game or two (maybe franchise) but mostly probably Gaas goes multiplat
Xbox will be fine even if a re-structure is announced and a game or two (maybe franchise) but mostly probably Gaas goes multiplat
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Just going to make a wild guess:
- "select" titles will go to Playstation and Nintendo
(MS practically going 3rd party)
- Xbox will be discontinued
- gaming divisions will be rebranded to MS Games, big franchises will continue to exist, more focus on mobile
- Series will be discontinued
- Maybe a Ouya-like console
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- Microsoft Game Pass
- "select" titles will go to Playstation and Nintendo
(MS practically going 3rd party)
- Xbox will be discontinued
- gaming divisions will be rebranded to MS Games, big franchises will continue to exist, more focus on mobile
- Series will be discontinued
- Maybe a Ouya-like console
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- Microsoft Game Pass
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SportsFan581
Member
I'm team BS in the sense that it is all being completely overblown.
With that said, they will likely announce some kind of change that they feel might put people off a bit. Although even that isn't certain, but it just seems like they are preparing to deal with that kind of situation.
With that said, they will likely announce some kind of change that they feel might put people off a bit. Although even that isn't certain, but it just seems like they are preparing to deal with that kind of situation.
Quasicat
Member
I think it will be a bit of both. Some of the games from Microsoft will eventually make it to PlayStation after a short exclusive period, but this will not kill the Xbox brand. Xbox will still exist in some form even after streaming takes over the industry. It's very similar to the PlayStation exclusive titles moving to PC; It's not going to kill the brand, it's just helping them pay for the games which cost them a fortune to make.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
At this rate, assuming they hold the "business meeting" next Wednesday (just choosing the middle), we should have at least 24 more threads by my estimation, maybe 26 depending on what time they hold it on Wednesday (again, assuming).
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The leaker from here was talking about this on Dec 13th, and all of what he said has now sort of come to pass so... it's legit.
TheGodfather07
Member
Xbox as we know it will be changing but they ain't going down. I think they're done trying to directly compete with Sony and will instead use the PS brand to make money. That means releasing their games on PS5. We just don't know the details of that. Will it be every game? Will there be some that stay exclusive to xbox permanently or only for a certain time? We'll find out soon.
Pagusas
Elden Member
One thing I think we can all agree on, BS or not, is MS has a huge PR issues on their hands and its going to 100% affect Xbox hardware sales, which already were tanking. Tons of little kids running around out there telling other kids "don't buy an Xbox, they are going under".
Connificent
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Fess
Member
They would've said something if the rumours weren't true. So yes.
I don't think they're pulling out directly but I think the consequence will be the death of the Xbox as a traditional console, likely over 2 years or so. Gamepass will fall with it.
Then I think they're going with a digital focused future after that, on PC and Windows handhelds and Playstation and Nintendo hardware when possible.
I don't think they're pulling out directly but I think the consequence will be the death of the Xbox as a traditional console, likely over 2 years or so. Gamepass will fall with it.
Then I think they're going with a digital focused future after that, on PC and Windows handhelds and Playstation and Nintendo hardware when possible.
touchfuzzy
Member
This is what I think. It's not gonna be a Sega-esque "We're out!" moment but it will be a first step in a long trend towards Microsoft bowing out of the hardware game.
Topher
Identifies as young
As has been said elsewhere, I think the pisspoor PR is coming from a lack of unity from within Xbox and Microsoft on the direction they should take. What is going to be telling next week is how the new vision will be conveyed to the public and who will be the one presenting that vision. Folks shouldn't assume it is going to be coming from Phil Spencer, imo.
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Oppoi
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Disrespecting the passionate workers of the sex industry in a family-friendly forum about video games? I think we're better than that. /edit Wrong forum, sorry!
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
So nothing like E3 then, got it.
I am sure Phil is gone, although I feel he gets retired if you know what I mean.
Robb
Gold Member
Tomofdahook17
Member
They will cut down to one hardware sku which will be the Series X, and then a single future console eventually, full third party integration starting with Hi-Fi Rush, Sea of Thieves, Starfield and Indiana Jones.
