I've asked this question many a time.
They use these abominations in tournaments if I remember correctly.vvv These things. vvv
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I don't care if you don't play fighting games. Just think whatever comes to mind, maybe share, and vote. The poll will close in 365 months.
No, it's not a directional pad. It allows simultaneous opposite directional inputs in games designed to be played with a lever. It's cheating, and virtually every pro fighting game player agrees that it's cheating.I've never heard of it before. I guess it's sort of like a DPad really.
If this is unfair, I guess you'd have to standardise how much movement a stick needs to make before it registers a direction otherwise some sticks will be able to register particular commands easier than others.
I hope you're going to reply to everyone else in the thread to tell them you think they're wrong too.No, it's not a directional pad. It allows simultaneous opposite directional inputs in games designed to be played with a lever. It's cheating, and virtually every pro fighting game player agrees that it's cheating.
They are wrong , full stop. At low skill levels these won't carry players much, but at an intermediate and high level these are atrocious. I don't need to reply every person, however.I hope you're going to reply to everyone else in the thread to tell them you think they're wrong too.![]()
They are wrong , full stop. At low skill levels these won't carry players much, but at an intermediate and high level these are atrocious. I don't need to reply every person, however.
I can, however, post the adamant opinion of an Evo champ and veteran Tekken player.
Everyone in the community also reacted similarly over a decade ago, including Aris himself.
Apologies to double post, but this is the essence. This point is also being made by Aris in the video I posted. Tokido also has similar statements on these as well as jdcr and knee, who *wasn't allowed to use his* due to the fact that it would have further cemented his dominance at the time.Depends on the game. In general, it is absolutely cheating, since most arcade games have been designed for a lever, meaning you cannot hit left and right or up and down at the same time. Some newer fighting games like Under Night series have been designed with keyboard players in mind. Virtually all of the pros, old head players, etc have weighed in on this fundamental fact that these types of controllers allow players to do things that are impossible and the games were just not designed for.
I also see a lot of scrubby arguments in this thread about "you still have to get good." That is not the point. You still have to be a skilled baseball player to hit a homerun with a corked bat. That doesn't mean a corked bat is not cheating.
It's the same principle as having two directional inputs.How does it work ?
The trouble now is that, in order to get more people into fighting games, companies like Hitbox have *sponsored* tournaments, bringing in more players. The fundamental problem at the end of the day is money. The devs need money, and therefor they will promote what earns them more money. I say just use a leverless controller now since it's not against the rules - it's sad, but people will start to realize when Ryu throws out 4 frame supers or you can SS both directions after a forced crouch in Tekken, breaking the game.Apologies to double post, but this is the essence. This point is also being made by Aris in the video I posted. Tokido also has similar statements on these as well as jdcr and knee, who *wasn't allowed to use his* due to the fact that it would have further cemented his dominance at the time.
In conclusion, these controllers are absolutely cheating.
Absolutely! Even people bring in their custom pads that have shit like L2 mapped to an additional up input for SFV and probably SFVI tournaments. The death of arcades has ushered in an era of the snakiest players ever. Thankfully most of these people are scrubs, save for Daigo who used an extra cheating SOCD hitbox.It's very easy to cheat in these devices and very hard to enforce any kind of regulation
Controllers were allowed in tournaments specifically because they were packed in with home consoles that fighting games were ported to. You weren't going to exclude players who used the device that their console came with.SOCD stands for simultaneous opposing cardinal directions
An SOCD cleaner prevents controllers from registering opposite inputs simultaneously. For example, with a hitbox, which is a fighting game controller that has all buttons, you can press back and forward at the same time, which may enable you to block in both directions when playing games like Street Fighter, but because most if not all hitboxes have an SOCD cleaner, only one direction registers. More specifically, pressing back and forward at the same time would result in neutral. As for up and down, the result would be up.
I dont know where some of you come up with your arguments. Most if not all leverless have it built. And most tournaments you need a compliant leverless .capcom as an example put up some new rules on the sodc .Some players dont care some do. But on pad you can also input 2 opposite directions as an example using the dpad and analogs. Its not cheating just a different controller option
No there still is an issue. In addition to the point I already made addressing this, allow me to make another. Neutral is induced by a state of not pressing anything, simply. Why does a cleaned wasd-type input get a button combination for "neutral?" That's unfair, I don't have that on my lever.As long as simultaneous opposite directional button presses default to neutral standing position and only one full directional input is recognized along with its corresponding diagonal when applicable then there is no issue.
Edit: Or whatMegatronActivate said, beat me to the punch with a better explanation.
Friend that can happen with any controller. But the advantages are being address by the sodc cleaner for leverless. Now if tournament organizers check thats another story. Some pads had macros for instance. From experience on playing on all 3 depends and know how leverless work it isnt cheatingControllers were allowed in tournaments specifically because they were packed in with home consoles that fighting games were ported to. You weren't going to exclude players who used the device that their console came with.
Addressing other stuff you wrote, how easy do you think it is to enforce these? There were tournaments where people discovered (too late) that contestants pads contained 'cheat' buttons like mapping directions to shoulder buttons.
In short, SOCD cleaners do not resolve the issue. You can use your controller, but just be firmly aware it is a cheating device. Hell, I play tekken on keyboard sometimes; that's fuckin cheating.
That's nice you have played on them. So have I. It doesn't change the fact that it is fundamentally still a cheating device. The games were not designed with this type of input in mind at all.Friend that can happen with any controller. But the advantages are being address by the sodc cleaner for leverless. Now if tournament organizers check thats another story. Some pads had macros for instance. From experience on playing on all 3 depends and know how leverless work it isnt cheating