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PS5 Pro: $699 Is It Worth it? - The Digital Foundry Take
Vick
Member
PS4 Pro never allowed me to play PS4 games at double the frames with better IQ/setting on top.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
People just have no idea what they are talking about in here anymore and you can tell...
Eszti
Banned
it still hurts lol.
he really did say that wtf? even when its a pain in the ass to get uhd bluray disc to play off on pc....god that girl.....
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Matsuchezz
Member
The Pro has not been released and they are dismissing it. Pretty lame from them. All those people that want the Pro to fail, will be pretty pissed off if the thing is sold out at Day one.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
If you have enough money to burn I guess? But for me I will choose Nintendo’s next system over Pro.
It’s brand new system with new games like Monolith Soft’s next game which I can’t effort to miss out.
Meanwhile with Pro still old system which still going to get all the games that base PS5 will get and I’m not graphic whore enough to spend $950 + $100 for disc drive.
It’s brand new system with new games like Monolith Soft’s next game which I can’t effort to miss out.
Meanwhile with Pro still old system which still going to get all the games that base PS5 will get and I’m not graphic whore enough to spend $950 + $100 for disc drive.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not for me, no.
I'll rather just wait a year or two for the new generation.
I'll rather just wait a year or two for the new generation.
RodriGames40
Member
Gaming discourse in general is not worth it right now. Just looking at the threads with new info and giving my two cents now.
Vick
Member
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Shocked about your first sentence /s
The second is just not realistic. Even if MS releases a new console in 2026 it won't be seen as "next gen". Not while they have a Series S to feed and a PS6 to release in 2028 lmao.
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twilo99
Member
Don't listen to these clowns for anything gaming related.
It's worth it if you want it.
The PS5 pro will do very well and it will clock some really solid revenue for the company. The profit margins on this thing must be healthy to say the least, so it will help their profits as well.
Personally I would never spend $700+ on a machine with such an outdated CPU, it just makes no sense, but that's likely because I'm used to building my own PCs, most people on this forum prefer to buy the boxes, so if you want a bit of extra fidelity, this is your only choice, for now..
It's worth it if you want it.
The PS5 pro will do very well and it will clock some really solid revenue for the company. The profit margins on this thing must be healthy to say the least, so it will help their profits as well.
Personally I would never spend $700+ on a machine with such an outdated CPU, it just makes no sense, but that's likely because I'm used to building my own PCs, most people on this forum prefer to buy the boxes, so if you want a bit of extra fidelity, this is your only choice, for now..
Romulus
Member
how about that disc drive and price though?
saintjules
Member
All the naysayers, I hope I don't hear you talking about buying a Pro after it's out in the wild and that you suddenly see the differences it's providing 
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
That’s his intelligent face.
Same dude that keeps promoting crt monitors for fucking modern gaming
TheRedRiders
Member
ReactionaryGaf incoming.
And they will still get one
SenkiDala
Member
This isn't a CD drive, it doesn't read CDs.
midnightAI
Member
They dismissed the original PS5 also, so nothing new for them
GymWolf
Member
Same dude that has random meltdown on twitty?
Vick
Member
Disc drive sucks, bad.
But they had their figures to realize a TB increase made more sense than a disc drive at this point in time in the market.
Again, sucks for me as I'm a 100% physical guy.. but this is what gamers™ decided.
Price is perfecty fine for what it could be able to do.
People expecting Sony to necessarily sell their products at a loss, even "premium" ones, are confusing to me.
The whole CPU narrative could be already outdated. As already explained by many users:
Most CPU limited games actually aren't. And apparently who designed this machine is full aware of what's needed to maintain 60fps even in those instances, in titles more CPU-dependent:
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Yup
GHG
Gold Member
digdug2
Member
That's right. It's a DVD Drive
owandeseis
Member
Honestly, 350€ more than PS5 for, lets say 6-7 years of better performing games? It's just a bit over 50€ per year, and the difference seems big enough.
It sucks that it's the first Sony console following the Nintendo route, making money per hardware sold since day 1, compared to the standard PS5 that was 400€ and no PC under 1000€ could match it, but Sony's looking for more ways to raise their profits, and this was one of the most obvious steps to do it.
It sucks that it's the first Sony console following the Nintendo route, making money per hardware sold since day 1, compared to the standard PS5 that was 400€ and no PC under 1000€ could match it, but Sony's looking for more ways to raise their profits, and this was one of the most obvious steps to do it.
Romulus
Member
$400 vs $700 minus a disk drive is a massive pill to swallow.
And the main point being it will run games at 60fps locked isn't known as a fact. Sony said that, but it will be proven after DF and others get their hands on it. It's entirely possible that "performance" modes using base PS5 still run at 45-60fps. Most do. So even PS5 pro is flawless 60fps, you're netting +15fps in most cases, usually far less when looking at averages.
So you're essentially left with a slight FPS/IQ bump
That sounds alot like PS4 pro, except PS4 pro actually had a disc drive and was priced reasonably.
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Sorry, it's disc drive or dvd drive or blu-ray drive, or, what do you call it?
twilo99
Member
You are buying CPU architecture from 5 years ago (with the intention of using it for at least another ~5) , and it's not even the top of the line chip or anything, it's a horrible proposition no matter how you spin it.
If this wasn't an issue, why upgrade to a new CPU for the PS6? Just keep using Zen 2...
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SenkiDala
Member
A disc drive or a BR drive.Sorry, it's disc drive or dvd drive or blu-ray drive, or, what do you call it?
Little Mac
Gold Member
I was shocked by the price at first but everyday we are learning more about it and I’m starting to think it’s a good upgrade at a fair price (US atleast).
It’s not the price we are accustomed to obviously … but that doesn’t mean the Pro is overpriced. Gaming is just a very expensive hobby now.
I said this in another thread but how are we going to act when Nintendo announces a $400 dollar console in 2024-2025 that’s rumored to be comparable in power to a PS4?
DF said that the gpu in the Pro compares to a GPU that costs around $600 bucks. I recently spent $150 on a 2 TB Western Digital Black SSD for my PS5 Slim. Those two components, which are in the Pro, alone cost more than the PS5 Pro’s asking price (in US).
Again, our beloved hobby is getting very, very expensive. It’s not just Sony consoles.
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Fbh
Member
Good video IMO.
- I like how they point out the price in other regions, everyone keeps talking about this being $700 but that's only true for the US, pretty much everywhere outside the US this is going to be the equivalent of $800+ ($900+ in the UK)
- I overall agree with the sentiment that at this price point PCs become a more interesting alternative. It's not about building a stronger PC for the exact same price (which you can't... at least at launch) but about the fact that it gets into the territory where building a PC isn't THAT much more expensive anymore specially once you factor in stuff like free multiplayer and cheaper games
- Overall it's still a good upgrade and offers decent value, at least with the US pricing
As a side note I also find it funny that yesterday everyone was spamming that video where Richard was supposedly "destroying and humiliating" that IGN dude for suggesting PC as an alternative....and in this video it's him actually arguing in favor of PC as avalid alternative.
Ps6 is probably coming out in less than 6 years though. I doubt anyone who is going to buy a $700+ midgen upgrade is the type of buyer that will wait 3 years before getting a Ps6.
- I like how they point out the price in other regions, everyone keeps talking about this being $700 but that's only true for the US, pretty much everywhere outside the US this is going to be the equivalent of $800+ ($900+ in the UK)
- I overall agree with the sentiment that at this price point PCs become a more interesting alternative. It's not about building a stronger PC for the exact same price (which you can't... at least at launch) but about the fact that it gets into the territory where building a PC isn't THAT much more expensive anymore specially once you factor in stuff like free multiplayer and cheaper games
- Overall it's still a good upgrade and offers decent value, at least with the US pricing
As a side note I also find it funny that yesterday everyone was spamming that video where Richard was supposedly "destroying and humiliating" that IGN dude for suggesting PC as an alternative....and in this video it's him actually arguing in favor of PC as avalid alternative.
Ps6 is probably coming out in less than 6 years though. I doubt anyone who is going to buy a $700+ midgen upgrade is the type of buyer that will wait 3 years before getting a Ps6.
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demigod
Member
Bro still reminiscing of the 360 era, it’s time to move on.
Physiognomonics
Member
Was there any doubts here?
midnightAI
Member
They made money on PS4 Pro from day one, they are also making money on all hardware peripherals such as controllers, Portal, PSVR2. It's only the main console they ever subsidise afaik.
owandeseis
Member
Vick
Member
It is.
But as always, you want power, you want 60fps, you want 4K, you want RT.. you pay.
Eh.. not really.
We know for a fact TLOU Part II runs on Pro at higher settings/better IQ than the Fidelity PS5 Mode, but at double the framerate. I know it's a Remaster of an old gen game, but runs at native 4K.
There is evidence of software going from Med to High setting and 45-60fps on a PS5, to Max settings, locked 60fps, and higher resolution (with no PSSR). Gran Turismo 7 runs at 8K even.
We'll see. Personally, if Pro won't be able to turn every Fidelity Mode into a Performance one, I'll be disappointed.
I've always said the only reason I would get a Pro would be to play Fidelity at 60fps, and I've been told many times that would be impossible and unrealistic to expect because it would cost thousands. The moment Cerny said this is the sole purpose of the Pro, I was instantly hooked no matter the price.
I get what you mean.. but PS6 would be a new generation entirely. For what we get now, they thought their solution to the CPU problem is sufficient. I trust Mark Cerny.
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TrumpacShakur
Banned
Xaeroxcore666
Member
Are you sure all games are gonna run double the frames? GTA VI probably won´t.
owandeseis
Member
Not sure about the Ps4 Pro, maybe, they also said in like 2021 that they were making money on PS5, but in some of their latest quarter finantials they claimed that some of the reasons for the lower profits were that they were selling more PS5's (or that they made more money because they sold less PS5's than usual, i don't remember 100% now) i expect this to not happen anymore, not just for Nintendo but for all the console manufacturers.
twilo99
Member
No, you are trusting that the enormous install base would force most developers to try and optimize for those particular systems, which is a safe bet overall.
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