Bojji
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It was bad port full of issues. This game on PS5 is fine.
Indiana Jones actually looks much better on high end pc. Most games have much less differences than this one.
Digital Foundry: Indiana Jones and the Great Circle - PS5/PS5 Pro Tech Review - Excellent Game, Decent Port
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It was bad port full of issues. This game on PS5 is fine.
Indiana Jones actually looks much better on high end pc. Most games have much less differences than this one.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Wasn't the same reviewer. There's also a much bigger gap between a top of the line PC and a Pro than there is between a Pro and a Series X.
Mr Moose
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viveks86
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I'd be surprised if Xbox ever utilizes PSSR. Mayyy be next gen once FSR4 works everywhere
Skifi28
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Forza is next, let's see.
Bojji
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Advanced RT is just RTGI and most games are "4k" if you read PR stuff from developers/publishers.
Nothing new here.
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Fess
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They want clicks, I'm sure they're making more videos later focused more on the enthusiast audience, this is just there to show the new PS audience still on the fence that the ports aren't terrible.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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As a PC gamer I'm just happy that DualSense support is finally in full force. Shame that (pure IMO) Indiana is not the game that looks that great despite the heavy lean on RT tech. They sould've used more hybrid approach for better visual results on consoles.
Mr Moose
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Native 4k isn't 4k with DRS. They added the advanced RT part under the Pro enhancements, they are lying.
I don't know this time. Looking at the video I don't see all this extra job on the Pro version. We knew it has more precise hardware raytracing guess it's not that tough to achieve slightly improved raytracing switching some setting in their multiplat engine and... that's it. The lack of VRS speak loudly (the huge amount of TOPs should helps also to improve further the VRS uses). I suspect it's more the ps5 version at higher res and nothing much.
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Synastry
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I yet to pre order the game not till I see gameplay running on PS5/PS5 PRO and there's only 6 days left for the PE atleast.
mckmas8808
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And how much would that awesome rig cost?
Fabieter
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Well it seems thats it the best to not preorder any ms games as a pro user.
playbignbox
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PS5 Pro is a joke
Skifi28
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ShaiKhulud1989
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How the best Xbox verison is doing?
playbignbox
Member
Dude, let's be honest, the console costs $250 more than the digital PS5. I remember a lot of people saying "I'll play the definitive version on the PS5 Pro", and you got a port that you probably can't even tell the difference between the base version and the Pro version, like for example the sharpness from 1800p to 2160p is negligible.
PS5 Pro is a joke and it's funny the mental juggling people are doing to defend a bad deal like this.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Native IQ is always worth it.
That being said, outside of agressive RT render, I'd say the game is barely a visual marvel on every platform. I've completed the game on PC and to me, it's just the case of too much hardware taxing choices to shave the dev time.
There are a lot of better methods of making a good-looking game than throwing RT/PT render on GPUs while shipping barebones baked lighting. Even Phantom Liberty was shipped with beautiful baked lights.
Skifi28
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I have a feeling you're arguing in bad faith. You are using individual games to make your judgment and not looking at the whole picture. Just a couple of weeks ago we got AC Shadows where the difference was transformative in the 60fps mode. Not every game is gonna have that much of a difference, but as an owner it has been more than worth it with tons of games that are so mcuh better on the pro. If you are looking at the games that already have a great base console version to judge the pro, you are doing it wrong.
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Physiognomonics
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Typical and we already saw this in others games, in direct comparisons PS5 will often look higher resolution thanks to 4x higher resolution texture. VRS as implemented in RDNA2 is not worth it, there are no solutions around the blocky textures after 5 years, and there is a reason it's only there in MS games and PC gamers deactivate that shit if they can. Bad trade-off. bad feature.
Topher
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Meanwhile I'm playing games such as Space Marine 2, AC:S and DD2 where the difference is significant and you are judging based on a couple of pixel counts for a single Microsoft game. That $250 cost difference is about the price of a GPU upgrade for PCs and that's exactly what Pro is. You might as well troll a PC thread and call it "mental juggling" for someone to justify a 5070 Ti over 5070.
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reinking
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No need to gamefly PS5 then. Already playing the better version of the consoles I own.
Recommendation: The game is highly recommended on PS5, offering a superb experience for console players.
Giallo Corsa
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20 pages thread incoming for the usual Vs.
Wake me up when the game is sub-20 Eurodollars 'cause there's no way I'm spending 70 big ones on a one and done 20 hours game with no replay value whatsoever.
Wake me up when the game is sub-20 Eurodollars 'cause there's no way I'm spending 70 big ones on a one and done 20 hours game with no replay value whatsoever.
I would agree if all the multiplat were like that. But go back to play some games on ps5 can be really a torture for me personally. The IQ can be really terrible in some games. And I'm sorry for the people who are stuck to this shit for economical reason. PS5 pro had to be the real ps5 base from the start of the generation.
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Mibu no ookami
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Guess it depends on how you look at it.
CoD already uses PSSR through Activision. Is Activision different from MachineGames?
I fully expect that we'd see a game like Fable, Gears E-Day, and Doom all utilizing PSSR.
Mibu no ookami
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Through out their videos since the PS5 Pro launched, I don't think I've seen a single side by side where they show PS5 Pro and just the XSX.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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This "update" for Pro is absolute BS ....we paid $800 for the Pro we damn sure should be getting ports that take full advantage of the console!
Nobody should be defending this. The rtgi at lower than low? Shadow quality is terrible. At the very least, RTGI should be higher quality and in line with a similarly spec'd PC gpu ...we didn't even get that. RTAO or RT shadows also should've been implemented.
Worst of all is that Machine Games got away with people thinking this had "advanced ray tracing" on Pro leading up to release because nobody stanning for this game on YouTube did their due diligence and gamers would rather defend these weak ports (despite also getting screwed over) than hold these developers to any standard!
If MS is going to phone it in on PS5 than they shouldn't bother
Nobody should be defending this. The rtgi at lower than low? Shadow quality is terrible. At the very least, RTGI should be higher quality and in line with a similarly spec'd PC gpu ...we didn't even get that. RTAO or RT shadows also should've been implemented.
Worst of all is that Machine Games got away with people thinking this had "advanced ray tracing" on Pro leading up to release because nobody stanning for this game on YouTube did their due diligence and gamers would rather defend these weak ports (despite also getting screwed over) than hold these developers to any standard!
If MS is going to phone it in on PS5 than they shouldn't bother
Watch the video; VRS is undetectable in any aspect other than minimally enhancing the blocky effect (which is also present in the other versions). Otherwise, XSX looks clearly sharper in IQ, and there's no deterioration of textures or detail. In facts the extra resolution en XSX is show also in textures and object image VS image.
In other words, it's an impeccable implementation on par with Gears 5; it fulfills its function and purpose.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Because on PC you're getting WAY more bells and whistles ...I don't think people realize just how little we're getting out of a lot of Pro ports ...
ShaiKhulud1989
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Once again, I don't think that their overall choices for the engine are very smart. I'm on PC and I think that their heavy lean on RTGI/PT is needless and a bit useless. Plus same, or even better looks can be achieved with way more efficient methods.
Fabieter
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Native 4k and advanced ray tracing definitely was false advertising tho.
I wouldn't call impeccable implementation with blocky effect... people was outraged with less for the "worst" PSSR iterations....
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Gaiff
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Not exactly. The game very often hits native 4K on the Pro. As for advanced ray tracing...well it's just ray tracing lol.
Impeccable because the drawbacks are imperceptible, and on the contrary, you gain much more. That's the point of the VRS technique.
I repeat, this blocky effect is present in all versions, and it's not an apparent flaw in the game either. VRS only makes it slightly more visible. In fact, if you watch the video and comparison images, it's difficult to see even with zoom.
DenchDeckard
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The video says is an issues caused to VRS, to be fair. And knowing how works it's not that surprising. Unfortunately the numbers of TOPs on series X are not enough to mitigate such flaws.
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Fabieter
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Calling it native 4k is basically saying that it's staying there. They have to call if up to 4k if it has DRS. And the advanced ray tracing implied enhancements over ps5 which is hardly the case.
Topher
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A bit late to this. Read the article. So the game isn't using PSSR for Pro and isn't utilizing VRS?
"The PS5 Pro benefits are worth touching on too. While hardware based VRS is in theory a feature of Pro, it doesn't seem to use it here. "
"another potential advantage of Series X's hardware VRS"
" All use id Tech's TAA method to clean up visual noise"
www.eurogamer.net
Seems a bit of tech is being left on the table here.
"The PS5 Pro benefits are worth touching on too. While hardware based VRS is in theory a feature of Pro, it doesn't seem to use it here. "
"another potential advantage of Series X's hardware VRS"
" All use id Tech's TAA method to clean up visual noise"
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on PS5: excellent game, solid port
The PS5 and PS5 Pro ports of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle lack much in the way of new features - but the game is still golden.
www.eurogamer.net
Seems a bit of tech is being left on the table here.
The video doesn't say it's a legacy effect caused VRS; it just says it accentuates a effect somewhat, which is also present in the other versions.
And I repeat, it's a practically imperceptible effect, and yet the improvements you get are exponentially better... In other words, it perfectly fulfills its purpose.
they basically got the game running on ps5 and upped drs on pro without doing any specific work for it, just to get the "pro enhanced" tag.
simple as that, no need to defend/support this zero effort work.
and they are asking full price for it. it'll deservedly bomb just like everywhere it released.
maybe they can try a switch2 version too, but that'll probably need some actual work, so maybe not.
simple as that, no need to defend/support this zero effort work.
and they are asking full price for it. it'll deservedly bomb just like everywhere it released.
maybe they can try a switch2 version too, but that'll probably need some actual work, so maybe not.
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Fess
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Is there an audience for that? PS5 Pro is such a niche enthusiast product. And Xbox Series is dead in retail. Who would it be aimed at?
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
A shit port means I'll be saving some money. Simple.
SirTerry-T
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That is some considerably pathetic corporate fanboying...
A bit late to this. Read the article. So the game isn't using PSSR for Pro and isn't utilizing VRS?
"The PS5 Pro benefits are worth touching on too. While hardware based VRS is in theory a feature of Pro, it doesn't seem to use it here. "
"another potential advantage of Series X's hardware VRS"
" All use id Tech's TAA method to clean up visual noise"
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on PS5: excellent game, solid port
The PS5 and PS5 Pro ports of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle lack much in the way of new features - but the game is still golden.
Seems a bit of tech is being left on the table here.
Regarding VRS, it would be necessary to know what objectives could be achieved with its use. If Pro already supports 4K and 60fps, its use would be unnecessary given the gains to be achieved.
On the other hand, VRS also needs to be implemented via an API, and we don't know how mature and tested VRS in Pro is. Maybe When some games using VRS on Pro be releases.
Astray
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IMO, this is a quick and dirty port that was done to meet a deadline and sell copies while the title is still relevant. I think we might get some additional updates down the road that improve things.A bit late to this. Read the article. So the game isn't using PSSR for Pro and isn't utilizing VRS?
"The PS5 Pro benefits are worth touching on too. While hardware based VRS is in theory a feature of Pro, it doesn't seem to use it here. "
"another potential advantage of Series X's hardware VRS"
" All use id Tech's TAA method to clean up visual noise"
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on PS5: excellent game, solid port
The PS5 and PS5 Pro ports of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle lack much in the way of new features - but the game is still golden.
Seems a bit of tech is being left on the table here.
It's not like Microsoft is a stranger to good PS5 pro enhancements, Forza Horizon 5 for example is getting what looks to be an excellent Pro enhancement.