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PS5 Pro: $699 Is It Worth it? - The Digital Foundry Take
Astray
Member
People are seeing in action why most devs and publishers tended to focus on graphics and keep things at 30fps.. Graphics are much, MUCH easier to sell in trailers than frame rate, it's becoming harder to stand out graphically, but it's still the best way to sell your gaming hardware or software..
Pricing-wise, I think it's clear by now that they studied possible PC builds to see how high they can drive the price while still staying below the threshold of "console killer", you are likely not exceeding the price/performance of this with a PC without making compromises somewhere).
But it will really come down to how low I can get a disc drive for (here they are priced very exorbitantly for some reason, even excluding tax. The systems themselves are like only $15 extra, which probably accounts for customs charges, which makes it doubly weird in my eyes). I'll have to price my OG PS5 and see if it's gonna cover it or not.
I have no need for a stand as I place all my consoles horizontally.
Pricing-wise, I think it's clear by now that they studied possible PC builds to see how high they can drive the price while still staying below the threshold of "console killer", you are likely not exceeding the price/performance of this with a PC without making compromises somewhere).
I'm thinking about it tbh, and I set a reminder for 2 days before pre-orders start just in case I forget about making a clear decision.
But it will really come down to how low I can get a disc drive for (here they are priced very exorbitantly for some reason, even excluding tax. The systems themselves are like only $15 extra, which probably accounts for customs charges, which makes it doubly weird in my eyes). I'll have to price my OG PS5 and see if it's gonna cover it or not.
I have no need for a stand as I place all my consoles horizontally.
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Xaeroxcore666
Member
Time will tell...But experience has showed us all not to trust blindly on any man from a corporation...Specially Sony, ask the Vita users...Exactly. That's what I meant actually, I missed a "for current gen games" after "sufficient".
Well.. the moment Cerny says the only reason the Pro exists is to do this..
I have no reason on Earth to ever doubt this man after PS5. Especially not over DF. Over anybody really.
We'll see.
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Topher
Identifies as young
TLOU 2 on PS5 has two modes:
Performance: 1440p 60fps
Fidelity: 4k 30 fps
The 4K fidelity mode frame rate is being doubled to 60fps.
edit: I see others have already pointed this out. There are multiple vantage points in looking at how Pro improves on base PS5 here.
Mark Cerny says it himself in the presentation.
"With graphics showing something like fidelity levels of detail but at double the frame rate"
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Bojji
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Sure....and really we can phrase this a number of ways depending on the mode that we start with. There isn't only one way to look at it.
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Crayon
Member
idk why anyone needs the vertical stand. I never bothered with it. I just set the PS5 down and let gravity do it's thing.
AngelMuffin
Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
If DF makes 5 videos a day about the PS5 Pro, they will have made over 300 videos about it before it is released in November
BlitzerRadic
Member
PendekarRajawali
Member
Why not stop cross gen games first and see what the best base PS5 can do?
Bojji
Member
This is quite fucking sad actually, we had only few games made for PS5 hardware and we already have upgraded version...
Sony studios are the worst, still no PD/SSM/GG/ND etc. game made specifically for PS5 hardware (no PS4 version holding it back) and when they will come PS5 version will be gimped compared to Pro. Ugh.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Most demanding games that have a fidelity mode that runs at 30fps.
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Celcius
°Temp. member
We're halfway through the gen.
PS6 in fall 2028
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ViciousAgenda
Member
If you have the money it's worth it.
Topher
Identifies as young
All games, no. My guess is just about every game that has fidelity/performance modes will get a doubling of the frame rate with near the same quality as fidelity mode.
Hoddi
Member
It's easy to rag on PS5 Pro but I don't really take too much issue with it. It's just that 'New Playstation with two year old x070 performance' sounded better at $400 than $700. But much of that pricing simply isn't up to Sony and I'd rather blame NAND/memory makers and TSMC for that.
I don't really feel that PS5 Pro is worthwhile at this price though considering this gen only has 3-4 years left in it. I'd much rather see this generation end early with properly upgraded consoles coming in 2025/2026. I've always felt that this gen started prematurely and we're kinda seeing the effects of it now.
I don't really feel that PS5 Pro is worthwhile at this price though considering this gen only has 3-4 years left in it. I'd much rather see this generation end early with properly upgraded consoles coming in 2025/2026. I've always felt that this gen started prematurely and we're kinda seeing the effects of it now.
KXVXII9X
Member
I think there is a lot of value in a portable device that can play current gen games natively. The PS5 Pro is just a beefed up console. Some people would prefer more power and not value portability though.
It’s pretty funny to see the fanboys concerned like this when Sony has done nothing but make bad decisions.
PlayStation got so overconfident that they sent themselves back to the start of the PS3 generation: overpriced hardware and no games.
Astray
Member
I've seen some say that the vertical arrangement is better for temps but I don't think I've ever had an issue with them tbh.
I think the system looks vastly better when it's placed horizontally, fits easier into media centers too.
Topher
Identifies as young
Sony made damn good decisions during the PS4 era. It is pretty easy for them to be overconfident now when Xbox is no longer a threat.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Well when you have a trade in 699 isn't that much, I'm old enough to remember the PS3 being $600.
Topher
Identifies as young
Well when you have a trade in 699 isn't that much, I'm old enough to remember the PS3 being $600.
$600 in 2006/2007 is like $900 today though
Bernardougf
Member
But that felt like a premium system ... big HD (for that time), brand New Blue ray player, the black piano and chrome finishing... the ps3 60gb was imho a premium product.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Don't forget the Spider-Man font logo.
XXL
Member
From what we know, the PS5 Pro is basically a fairly high end PC for $699.
This year's GOTY contenders so far.
Astro Bot - PS5 Exclusive
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth - PS5 exclusive
Wu Kong - PS5 Console Exclusive
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Xbox Series X 2 TB = $599
PS5 Pro 2 TB = $699
All the Pro features aren't worth an extra $100?
Get out of here.
PS5 Pro 2 TB = $699
All the Pro features aren't worth an extra $100?
Get out of here.
XXL
Member
Another one of the PS5 Pro's features is getting pretty much all of the Xbox Series X's games and having the best versions of them (on console).
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GHG
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Add in the drive for $80 more. You always skip that part. So it's $780. Add the stand to match the standard PS5 and that's another $30 making it $810.
Also for Europeans, the 2TB Series X is 650 Euros. PS5 Pro is 800 + 120 for disc drive = 920. Add in a stand and youre at around 950.
The real comparison isnt even vs Series X. It's vs PS5 digital at $450 US/450 Euro or standard for $500/550 Euro (which has drive and stand), where the PS5 Pro Euro price is almost double PS5's.
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darrylgorn
Member
If every game can achieve 1440p, 60 fps, then it absolutely is worth it.
Crayon
Member
No way! Horizontal looks like the fat fucker fell over.
As for temps? If mine overheats in and position I officially declare it a piece of shit! It's a console. It should be made idiot tough.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The Japanese price of ¥120,000 is equal to $850~ before you even add the drive and stand. (All included, the price comes to around $950 USD).
That and our 2TB SX comparison friends conveniently forget that it's possible to get a cheaper SX with a disk drive, it's not possible to get any other SKU of the PS5 Pro at launch. Conveniently disingenuous.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.The Japanese price of ¥120,000 is equal to $850~ before you even add the drive and stand. (All included, the price comes to around $950 USD).
That and our 2TB SX comparison friends conveniently forget that it's possible to get a cheaper SX with a disk drive, it's not possible to get any other SKU of the PS5 Pro at launch. Conveniently disingenuous.
All the YT and game sites laughing at the price dont even mention SX. Any hardware and price comparisons are between PS5 Pro and PS5. And the disc drive and stand nickel and diming. Some content creators will also bring up Europeans get nailed an extra 100 bucks beyond reasonable currency conversion for no good reason.
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GHG
Gold Member
That and our 2TB SX comparison friends conveniently forget that it's possible to get a cheaper SX with a disk drive, it's not possible to get any other SKU of the PS5 Pro at launch. Conveniently disingenuous.
The Series X competes with the base PS5 ya doofus.
Talk about disingenuous.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Exactly, Pro's biggest competition and comparison will be against its own Amateur version. The goal with a device like this is to get enthusiasts to upgrade. Comparing it to other vendors is a pointless thing.
GHG
Gold Member
Xbox brought these comparisons on themselves when they decided to introduce a $600 Series X SKU. There's just a $100 price difference there but a gulf in performance.
Talk to your boy.
Not happened because the system isn't out yet.
Yes, the same current PS5 that competes against the Series X.
Maybe you should have both thought about that prior to leaping to defend the $600 2TB version of the Series X. It was poor value before and it now looks even worse against the PS5 Pro.
There is no defence for it and nobody in their right mind would purchase one. For less money you get a base series X or PS5, while for slightly more money you get a PS5 Pro. It's horribly positioned.
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You got me
From what we know, the PS5 Pro is basically a fairly high end PC for $699.
This year's GOTY contenders so far.
Astro Bot - PS5 Exclusive
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth - PS5 exclusive
Wu Kong - PS5 Console Exclusive
A tech demo, an RPG from a studio that is a husk of what it was 25 years ago and a soulsborne wannabe that’s a solid 6.5…
when I talk games, you know what I’m talking about, don’t play dumb.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Now we can't even compare the two consoles launching this holiday season? Wow.That and our 2TB SX comparison friends conveniently forget that it's possible to get a cheaper SX with a disk drive, it's not possible to get any other SKU of the PS5 Pro at launch. Conveniently disingenuous.
- Xbox Series X 2TB White - if that's the console I want to buy, I have to pay $600. I have no other option.
- PS5 Pro 2TB - if that's the console I want to buy, I have to pay $700. I have no other option.
All the Pro features (which boosts performance by over 100% in some cases) shouldn't even cost the extra $100?
That's disingenuous.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
And, again, that is not the only feature-complete SX version in the market. Comparing a standard SKU to a limited edition one is bizarre / bad faith / disingenuous. That and
StreetsofBeige
has pointed out, even then they're not comparable without adding at least $110 worth of things on one of them. Yes. Exactly what I'm saying. The 2TB is a limited edition thing. Limited edition things are always overpriced but fortunately it's not the only SX with a disk drive in the market.
Can't say the same for the PS5 Pro at the moment tho.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So salty. Downplaying 94 MC+ games that will feature on most GOTY lists this year.A tech demo, an RPG from a studio that is a husk of what it was 25 years ago and a soulsborne wannabe that’s a solid 6.5…
when I talk games, you know what I’m talking about, don’t play dumb.
PlayStation really did a number on you guys.
It's hilarious.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You talking about how great value PS5 Pro is a laugh because most gamers and game sites think different. Youre one of the only people I've ever seen out of all forums and YT and articles trying to justify PS5 Pro price vs a 2TB Series X.
PS5 Pro is a giant leap in price vs current PS5 systems. And that doesn't even include extra costs of a disc drive, stand, and European's extra 100 dollar upcharge vs other regions who got a reasonable currency conversion against the USD.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There are cheaper SX disk based alternates available. You are not hamstrung to that one option.
Yes, this part is true. There is no other PS5 Pro SKU.
But you keep forgetting to add basic things like if someone wants disk drive parity, they need to fork over $80 or 120 euro to get that functionality.
And if they want a vertical stand, not the cheap Allen Wrench horizontal strip, they have to pay $30 more.
There are cheaper SX based alternatives available.
huh? compare it with the PS5, why do you keep comparing with the SX? The PS5 Slim, the closest actual analog, can be bought for $450. This is a $250 increase in price to that.
No, Heis, your post is blatantly disingenuous, there's really no other way to put it.
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