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[Little Chicken]

The Wii was a great success but had terrible software attachment as it was basically a Wii Sports machine for most users.

Wii Sports was and still is enough for a lot of casual users. My friend still busts it out every now and then, while I watch on in disgust.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

A simple hardware upgrade to the same console does not have the innovation and impact required to expect it to sell over 100m units by itself though, especially when their target audience is not tech savvy.
It seems a compromise, they fear a flop betting everything on a complete new concept/gimmick, but they'll probably also give up on long lasting huge sales.

Good software will sell the device. Nintendo are still experts when it comes to that.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

Now they are saying it's all fake:

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I can see this thing being flooded with shitty ports for the first two years, unfortunately.

Third parties will not repeat the mistake they made on Switch. So it depends on what you mean by "shitty". Popular games will be there.

 

[LordOcidax]

A simple hardware upgrade to the same console does not have the innovation and impact required to expect it to sell over 100m units by itself though, especially when their target audience is not tech savvy.
It seems a compromise, they fear a flop betting everything on a complete new concept/gimmick, but they'll probably also give up on long lasting huge sales.

Apple Iphone says hi

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Little Chicken]

Third parties will not repeat the mistake they made on Switch. Do it depends on what you mean by "shitty". Popular games will be there.

Sorry, I mean shitty as publishers just rushing out ports with technical issues to make a few $

 

[Elios83]

Apple Iphone says hi

A completely different product that sells to a completely different target audience.
Nintendo usually relies on a new gimmick that becomes big among the casual and kid crowd to sell big.
This product is just not that imo. It could have been the perfect mid gen upgrade if released in 2022.

 

[proandrad]

Same shitty controllers for a 2 year old. Hopefully we get a compatible nitro deck on release.

 

[LordOcidax]

A completely different product that sells to a completely different target audience.
Nintendo usually relies on a new gimmick that becomes big among the casual and kid crowd to sell big.
This product is just not that imo. It could have been the perfect mid gen upgrade if released in 2022.

Times have changed and the Switch is the most mainstream (Nintendo) product ever… More in line with a phone than a console like the Wii. Switch 2 looks like the safest bet from Nintendo.

 

[Robb]

 

[graywolf323]

Looks to safe and iterative, just a bigger faster switch. I think steam deck clones will snatch away nintendo market share since both platforms providing similar experience now

I love my Steam Deck and I do prefer it to my Switch (I haven’t bought anything for Switch that you can buy on Steam since getting the Deck) but let’s be real

most Switch users have never even heard of the Steam Deck or any of the other PC handhelds

 

[Kumomeme]

still no D-Pad?

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

They always seem to do something stupid like every other generation that negates the success of the previous one. They had the absolute smash of SNES but fucked over Sony with the CD addon thus funding their own primary competitor for the N64 generation in the PSX on top of the fact that they didn't go with optical media for the N64 which cost it FF7 and such. Gamecube, again, hampered by reduced media sizes and the kiddie styling sold less than the competition despite being a personal favorite of mine. Wii was obviously huge, but then they released the Wii U which was probably their biggest failure ever.

I mean, outside the Wii and Switch, their home consoles have largely been plop and fizzle since the SNES. Don't get me wrong, I love them all but as far as the mass market is concerned there's a lot of mehhh in there. Their handheld business though as mentioned above is a whole different creature, that's just success after success.

It’s been crazy following Nintendo since the NES days. When they’re on top, people act like this is just the rightful way of things and that Nintendo will dominate forever. When they’re floundering then it’s nothing but doom and gloom.

I have absolutely no idea how this generation is gonna go. Switch was obviously a massive success, but I think a huge part of that was because a) it had been long enough for people to start missing Nintendo again and b) they had a bunch of great Wii U games nobody played that they could polish up and sell as Switch games.

People say “oh just keep making great games and it’ll sell” but that strategy failed miserably with GameCube and Wii U.

Guess we’ll see soon enough. 2025 is going to be a very interesting spectacle

 

[Imtjnotu]

 

[AJUMP23]

Switch 2 is incoming announcement is soon. Anticipation is building. I think all of this looks fake. You can tell they are drawing.

 

[LordOcidax]

Now they are saying it's all fake:

Deleted posts = Nintendo ninjas = 100% confirmed real.

 

[Radical_3d]

lol all those pc handhelds combined together sell like 3-4 million at most, they are not even a drop in nintendo's bucket.

You don’t understand. Lately is mandate to PC boys to enter in every console thread. It’s their duty.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

 

[ADiTAR]

Nintendo prob sent a msg to his pager...

 

[LordOcidax]

still no D-Pad?

Joy Cons purpose is not compatible with a D Pad

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

What would this mean for how games would run on a 4K TV via the dock?

 

[LordOcidax]

You don’t understand. Lately is mandate to Steam gang to enter in every console thread. It’s their duty.

Fixed for you

 

[jufonuk]

Looks to safe and iterative, just a bigger faster switch. I think steam deck clones will snatch away nintendo market share since both platforms providing similar experience now

 

[jufonuk]

Looks like a BC constrained device in any case. Even the joycons are exactly the same with the shitty non d-pad.

Makes sense to make it BC upscale switch 1 games, automatic library to keep gamers going should there be droughts also keep sales of legacy software going. More Income.

 

[Kumomeme]

can someone explain the performance in DBZ powerscalling term?

 

[ultrazilla]

This almost seems "too easy" for Nintendo to have kept this much secrecy quiet about the Switch 2 only to let the designs "slip out" during initial production.

Nah. This is most likely fake or possibly a false design/spec sheet purposely leaked to keep the real stuff under wraps and then crack down on whomever leaked it via
tracking methods and ninja skills.

All that said, Nintendo *HAS* to be close to giving us a proper reveal here. Wouldn't be surprised to see it within the next week or so.

 

[ManaByte]

That never happened

Battery life - if its a portable PS5 it's gonna need a fuck ton of juice.

 

[jufonuk]

I love my Steam Deck and I do prefer it to my Switch (I haven’t bought anything for Switch that you can buy on Steam since getting the Deck) but let’s be real

most Switch users have never even heard of the Steam Deck or any of the other PC handhelds

Most switch users don’t care about FPS or resolution they just want fun games.


Source.
I’m a switch user plus the almost 150 million in sales.

 

[Melon Husk]

12GB RAM? I believe it.

but

specs for the main attraction, the LCD, are missing

is their OLED supplied Samsung? They're not Chinese, so that might explain it?

 

[whyman]

Fuck that. Joycons are just too small for my hands.

Yea, that sucks. But those plastic 3rd party addons fix it like with og switch.

 

[Banjo64]

A simple hardware upgrade to the same console does not have the innovation and impact required to expect it to sell over 100m units by itself though, especially when their target audience is not tech savvy.
It seems a compromise, they fear a flop betting everything on a complete new concept/gimmick, but they'll probably also give up on long lasting huge sales.

Agreed however Nintendo’s handhelds do often follow iterative design.

GBC and GBA followed the GB.

3DS followed the DS.

Whilst the 3DS wasn’t as successful as the DS for example, 76m units sold is nothing to scoff at. I agree with you that 100m would be a push.

I also think that we are reaching a point where Xbox has lost so much relevancy that I can see Nintendo and PS maintaining their user bases by default.

With the Wii, people weren’t buying games. With the Switch they are, so we know this is an active user base enjoying their product (even now that it’s 8 years old) and they will be looking to upgrade.

With Japan being handheld focused, Nintendo can’t lose. There are 30m guaranteed sales in the homeland and if Japanese devs start using Switch 2 as their lead platform Nintendo are on to another sure thing.

 

[TNT Sheep]

The Wii was a great success but had terrible software attachment as it was basically a Wii Sports machine for most users.

A tie ratio of 8 or 9 (Wii Sports included) is not that bad especially compared to other Nintendo consoles.

 

[Woopah]

SNES - 49M
N64 - 33M
Gamecube - 21M
Wii U - 13M

Wii and Switch successes were also leaning on new novelties imo(motion controls, hybrid device). Wii didn't have great software attach rates despite selling 100M+ units. It was basically a just the cheapest hardware of that generation/Wii Sports system for a lot casuals.

Switch probably has more going for it that Wii in that it is pulling in a lot of the pre-existing Nintendo handheld market but I still think there was a degree of novelty with a hybrid device that can't be replicated with Switch 2. I am confident that Switch 2 won't do Switch OG numbers.

Didn't we get rumors about wireless docking? As in the handheld can mirror to the display without being in the dock. That could explain the dual screen rumors because it would be just like how the WiiU did it.

The story of the OG Playstation's creation will always make me laugh. They fuck over Sony and then get absolutely smashed. Then somehow get beat by a newcomer the generation after as well with Microsoft.

I think this route is best for Nintendo. The Wii was a great success but had terrible software attachment as it was basically a Wii Sports machine for most users. The Switch however has/had a good concept, relatively good hardware (I know it's underpowered but it's a slim device that's actually usable as a handheld for most people, quiet, and cool which are all things that matter for a handheld), and is a proven success. Nintendo would be stupid to not iterate on what is their only "true" success in like 20 years.

Wii had a pretty good attach rate of over 8. That's better than several platforms including the DS, SNES and N64.

A simple hardware upgrade to the same console does not have the innovation and impact required to expect it to sell over 100m units by itself though, especially when their target audience is not tech savvy.
It seems a compromise, they fear a flop betting everything on a complete new concept/gimmick, but they'll probably also give up on long lasting huge sales.

PS4 and PS5 will sell over 100 million without major hardware innovation. Switch 2 should be able to do it too if has the price and lineup right.

 

[dmaul1114]

Yeah I get what you're saying. Anything can happen but I'm pretty sure that anyone with even a remote interest in Nintendo games are gonna feel like they need it unless they really screw this up, based on what they pulled off with the utterly underpowered Switch 1.

Looking at it, it definitely LOOKS like Switch Pro, the kinda thing you expect BOTW 3 in the same engine but running better, or Odyssey 2. I don't think we're getting that, they will probably deliver a paradigm leap in games. Guess we'll see!

I've just gotten to a point in my mid-40s where I just don't care about missing out on some games as I just don't have the time/interest/energy to play everything that interests me. So, I don't mind missing out on some games if I don't have access to them. It's felt like a waste this gen owning a PS5, XSX and Switch when just either a PS5 or XSX would have had plenty to fill my gaming time.

Going PC seems like a better move next time around as at least it's one hardware platform that gets me all Xbox first party stuff, late ports of most Sony first party stuff, (usually) better running and looking versions of third party games and all the indies.

I could crack and get a Switch 2 if they put out enough games that are must plays for me. But I kind of doubt they will as I'm mostly just into AAA narrative-driven stuff and the occasional co-op PVE online game with friends like Borderlands, Diablo or Helldivers these days. So if I get a portable itch, probably better to buy one of the handheld PC things to just keep playing those games than get a Switch 2 and have another platform to try to keep up with games on.

 

[mckmas8808]

12gb of ram is very respectable. 256gb of Storage will not last long at all lol.

12 GBs of RAM is very good for what it is.

 

[daclynk]

Remember when people thought it'd be a handheld PS5?

 

[Sethbacca]

can someone explain the performance in DBZ powerscalling term?

No way to tell. This may not even be its final form.

 

[mckmas8808]

ergonimics will not save how hideous this this is. that's why sony won't let you take it outside.

LOL! You can take the Portal outside.

Portal is meant to be a sidekick for your PS that almost never leaves range from the mothership. Switch is a portable handheld for kids and Japanese subways. It's gonna come with something small and you can attach something that makes it look like a Portal if you wish to do so. Be happy we have the option.

I use my PS Portal at work every week. My job is 35 miles from my house, so I'm not sure what you meant here.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Suddenly our forum is filled with people having the hands of Shaq and the Switch is too small.

 

[Interfectum]

Bro I cant play Switch 2.

 

[kevboard]

12gb of ram is very respectable. 256gb of Storage will not last long at all lol.

SD cards exist, are thankfully not that expensive anymore, and are fast enough these days to not be an issue.

I think they heavily rely on users bringing their own storage to keep the system price low.
also they still are big on retail versions, which will save you storage

 

[LordOcidax]

Suddenly our forum is filled with people having the hands of Shaq and the Switch is too small.

Is the only thing to complain at the moment, and that can be fixed easily.

 

[Insane Metal]

Switch 2: Even Further Switcher

 

[Geruda065]

Any info is it oled or lcd?

 

[BlackTron]

I use my PS Portal at work every week. My job is 35 miles from my house, so I'm not sure what you meant here.

Well done, but we both know this is in excess of it's core marketed/intentioned use of streaming stuff locally. Switch is a portable first, console second. Thus tiny detachable joycons. Portal is a local sidekick first, portable second. Thus the massive permanently attached handles.

 

[LordOcidax]

Any info is it oled or lcd?

I think that the two screen and two prices rumors comes from LCD $399 and OLED $449

 

[mckmas8808]

The biggest obstacle for this device is going to be Storage. Presumably games will be a mandatory install rather than running from physical otherwise the load times and data streaming will be horrendous. The
only way around this would be a much faster cartridge which would mean much higher production costs for physical games, don't see that happening. Third Party already hated using large cartridges on Switch.

256gb is not enough and current SD cards are too slow for next-gen games. We heard earlier this year that Samsung is working with an unnamed company to create a custom product, a fast SD card. Potentially this could be used for the Switch 2 and allow games to be installed to them but still have decent performance: https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...ce-ai?utm_source=nr_twitter&utm_medium=social

The problem is those SD cards are probably going to be expensive. We'll have to see what Nintendo has in store but it could be a problem for particularly 3rd party games. Install CoD and over half your storage is gone and only expensive new SD Express MicroSD can be used to install games to.

This is the problem Nintendo has to have solved and we'll see what their plan is. If it's expensive memory cards then yikes.

Maybe they will be moving away from physical media and the Switch 2 will be download only. Is that possible?

 

[bighugeguns]

Any info is it oled or lcd?

Mein Furer, Steiner.. couldn't secure the OLED...

 

[Trilobit]

Any info is it oled or lcd?

Yes.