Dragon Age: The Veilguard lets you choose top surgery scars in character creator

Easily ignored character creation toggle, but kind of ridiculous to include in a medieval fantasy game. There is no such thing as trans top surgery without modern medical science, so it's not a sensible extension of the game lore at all. The game director is a trans woman though, so I suppose that supersedes any other considerations.
 
Ozriel said:
I guess the positive previews - even from well regarded YouTubers were so galling that people had to make a big deal about this shit.

It's a toggle in the character creator that you very easily can avoid. None on that is forced on you, there's no glowing arrows forcing you to look at it. It's not mandatory by any means. And while that's likely trans coded, quite an appreciable number of women undergo mastectomy to fight breast cancer. A friend had one some years ago…sadly still passed away when the cancer came back.

Ah, well
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Let's not pretend like a mastectomy and what this represents are the same thing. Nobody is shaming the former. The latter is literally cutting your nose off to spite your face.
 
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Aguero9320 said:
You know you can make a character without it, right?

I don't get why this upsets anyone. Be mad about transgender surgery if you want, makes no difference to me, but do something constructive about it - not playing this is not that. I have no issue if someone who is transgender wants to play this, and uses the option to create a character they feel represents them. Equally I have no issue if someone wants to roleplay as a transgender character for some reason, or if they would never dream of turning this option on. I won't, but what harm does it do to me if someone else does?

I note the options seem to be on or off, so it's not being forced on you.

For the record, I am not pro-trans, or anti-trans or whatever those sides of the argument are these days - I am don't care-trans because it's none of my business.
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This isn't about being transgender.

Women who have breast cancer (men too, but most commonly women) will often times get a mastectomy where their breasts are removed, sometimes both breasts. This in turn leaves scars.

We shouldn't be gloryfying these scars like they're just "appearance" symbols and be given the option of having them when it leaves women literally psychologically scarred when they have their breasts removed.

Especially when you know someone (I know someone) who has had it done and you've seen how they change the way they dress in hopes of not revealing the scars.

To me, this is actually disgusting and extremely disrespectful to women who've had a mastectomy, making them feel like their life changing experience is downgraded to some sort of "appearance" in a character creator.
 
You know, I tried to be open minded about this game. Cause I actually like less team management and more gameplay.
The graphics and purple didn't bother me much. But yea, I think I'm done trying to see the bright side on this one.
 
On a related note, the new Skate Character Creator should be more accurately labeled an Abomination Creator. Body Type A/B, able to mix and match genitals, every facial type is masculine, you name it.
 
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^ Apparently one of the main playable companions is a non-binary person who grapples with they/their identity, too.

They've thrown out the dark fantasy setting completely and replaced it with modern day college campus sensibilities under a generic F2P mobile fantasy veneer. That's the real problem here.
 
I saw a headline the other day about being a white supremist if you won't have sex with a trans female with a feminine penis . . . now I can't get the phrase "feminine penis" out of my head. hahaha!
 
kruis said:
It's at this exact moment in the video. This Youtuber is simply gushing with praise for the developers for including the top surgery scar.

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Man! AI becoming better and better! :P

In all seriousness, this is soooo LOL worthy that I legit didnt believe it.
 
This is all fine and good, but how will the game grapple with the plight of young people feeling connected, yet simultaneously isolated, in an always online world where superficial and rapid fire social connections have replaced measured, grounded human interactions.

I expect any Dragon Age game I play to cover the above or no buy.
 
Gamer_By_Proxy said:
I saw a headline the other day about being a white supremist if you won't have sex with a trans female with a feminine penis . . . now I can't get the phrase "feminine penis" out of my head. hahaha!
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They are trying to flip the script, so what is sane is insane (and vice versa).

Hold the line.
 
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EviLore said:
Easily ignored character creation toggle, but kind of ridiculous to include in a medieval fantasy game. There is no such thing as trans top surgery without modern medical science, so it's not a sensible extension of the game lore at all. The game director is a trans woman though, so I suppose that supersedes any other considerations.
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It's one of those things where if one person asks for it, nobody has the balls to oppose it.
 
I'm guessing this thread will get 10 pages while the preview caps off at like 4. Sums up video game discourse at the moment lol, people here don't seem interested in actually taking about games anymore just irrelevant culture war fluff.
 
Strategize said:
I'm guessing this thread will get 10 pages while the preview caps off at like 4. Sums up video game discourse at the moment lol, people here don't seem interested in actually taking about games anymore just irrelevant culture war fluff.
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Maybe you should ask why "irrelevant" culture war stuff was so important for them to force it into the game.
 
Strategize said:
I'm guessing this thread will get 10 pages while the preview caps off at like 4. Sums up video game discourse at the moment lol, people here don't seem interested in actually taking about games anymore just irrelevant culture war fluff.
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If the game looked awesome it would get a lot more pages than it does now. Don't blame "culture wars" for its failures. Speaking of, I bet the Devs do that if it flops
 
How will the modern transwomen identify with this, when most have no surgery and just wear badly fitting dresses?

Apparently they did offer a bottom surgery option but the bluewaffle.jpg was copyrighted.
 
I'm not going to wish for a game to bomb because it gives people options that they can totally ignore. Now if the main story focuses on stuff like that they can F right off.
 
Do they have scars for breast implants or butt injections? They're also missing skin graft scars women get when they try to fashion a penis.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
- put modern day culture war issues and identity politics into a swords & sorcery fantasy game

- get upset when culture war issues dominate the discussions around the game
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Why are you implying that the genre matters here, if GTA6 online had this despite being set in the modern day you'd be saying the exact same thing. People bitched about a few rainbow flags in Spider-Man despite being set in modern day New York lol.
 
Aguero9320 said:
You know you can make a character without it, right?

I don't get why this upsets anyone. Be mad about transgender surgery if you want, makes no difference to me, but do something constructive about it - not playing this is not that. I have no issue if someone who is transgender wants to play this, and uses the option to create a character they feel represents them. Equally I have no issue if someone wants to roleplay as a transgender character for some reason, or if they would never dream of turning this option on. I won't, but what harm does it do to me if someone else does?

I note the options seem to be on or off, so it's not being forced on you.

For the record, I am not pro-trans, or anti-trans or whatever those sides of the argument are these days - I am don't care-trans because it's none of my business.
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I agree that it's an option which I can easily ignore.

What is annoying is that an option for such a small community exists, while I, as an ethnically East Indian male, have never been able to recreate facial features even close to mine despite being part of one of the largest ethnic groups on earth. I don't actually even care much that I can't recreate my nose in video games, but it does become annoying when a very specific group is catered to, to such a large extent while other groups (likely those actually playing the game) are ignored.

I think it's reasonable to call such things out when the game devs mention how inclusive they are every five minutes. I find the selective inclusivity (another word for that would be discrimination) eyebrow raising, and even more so when one takes a look at the game director.

I don't have anything against trans people but I do have something against treating trans people, or any other specific group, as above or more worthy than others.
 
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