Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.

If I'm hearing right; he said they(most likely not all Sony) spent $200 million initially and basically had nothing to show for it? So they spent ANOTHER $200 million on it?

How do you spend $200 million and not have anything? And how do you then decide to buy the studio afterwards LOL
 
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Irrelevant. Star wars a new hope was cheaper than the phantom menace. so what?
 
FoxMcChief said:
Concord is the biggest fuck up of all time. Its failure is #1 in our hearts.
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I agree with this.

At least when people bring up ET or Pacman on Atari 2600, those were different times. You had games made in a couple months by college kids (many Intellivision games were made this way apparently). There was no real sense of business and budgets back then. Back then it seemed more important to release stuff asap than making a good game. Quantity over quality.

There is no way anyone can say Concord didnt have the time and budget and veteran experience in the building. They just fucked it all up.

It doesnt even matter how big the budget was because end of the day most people got a refund. Only some hardcore collectors with discs count as final sales. The rest are refunded. Who knows how many discs are in the wild. Maybe 1,000? I dont know. But for the $100, $200 or $400M budget, their final copies sold will be equal to the number of copies held on by collectors. And to boot, it's a shit game, had some employees getting into twitter battles, released $25 hats and coffee mugs after the game was already cancelled, and Dustborn outlasted it. Even FW/Concord twitter account went cold after release. Maybe the Twitter handler was the first guy fired?

Pretty hard to think of a game worse than this.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
Guys. Love or hate Colin....does anyone really believe this guy would have even dared mention this in such detail if he hadnt thoroughly checked the employees credentials.

It's fucking Colin. Not some random on twitter. If there is one fucking thing that I feel i know about Colin is that he wants to be viewed as a man of integrity. He will have done his due diligence to ensure he was 100% confident to share this or he wouldn't have.

400 mill is the low number compared to adding in buying the studio.
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Colin is a cunt but he's not the type to lie for social media clout. He's the type to rub his chin and vape his own farts then pontificate like he's the smartest man in the world.
 
clarky said:
Unknown but you can't add the cost of buying the studio to the cost of the game.

For example BLOPS 6 didnt cost 76billion.
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Personally I 100% add the cost of this studio because its their only game and its literally the game Sony bought them for

I would agree with you if the studio had a track record of some good games.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
I agree with this.

At least when people bring up ET or Pacman on Atari 2600, those were different times. You had games made in a couple months by college kids (many Intellivision games were made this way apparently). There was no real sense of business and budgets back then. Back then it seemed more important to release stuff asap than making a good game. Quantity over quality.

There is no way anyone can say Concord didnt have the time and budget and veteran experience in the building. They just fucked it all up.

It doesnt even matter how big the budget was because end of the day most people got a refund. Only some hardcore collectors with discs count as final sales. The rest are refunded. Who knows how many discs are in the wild. Maybe 1,000? I dont know. But for the $100, $200 or $400M budget, their final copies sold will be equal to the number of copies held on by collectors. And to boot, it's a shit game, had some employees getting into twitter battles, released $25 hats and coffee mugs after the game was already cancelled, and Dustborn outlasted it.

Pretty hard to think of a game worse than this.
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ET was a bigger fuck up, but i cant think of anything else.
 
ElCasual said:
Fuck no. Ryan and Hulst are the worst thing .
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That's what I said.
clarky said:
Irrelevant. Star wars a new hope was cheaper than the phantom menace. so what?
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So, invest smart instead of invest more? Do you not draw conclusions with Hennig out of Sony and idiots flushing money in old trends by the hundreds of millions? May I remember that with the money of Fair Games Sony could had founded an entire studio just for Hennig to develop exclusives? That they've closed down Liverpool, London, Evolution and Japan Studios?
 
If Sony really thought this was 'the future of Playstation' then nothing better could of happened than did happen, the game flopped to an incredible degree.

Honestly even average sales and they could of still thought this route was the future.

Concord flopping could turn out to not only be the best thing to happen to Playstation, but to gaming as a whole too.
 
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No wonder they're releasing at that price their next console. They have to recoup all that fortune.

Now we know why the name.

They not only fuck you, but rip you a pretty nice PS5 Prolapse. 😱
 
Herman is really going to have a $400 million dollar flop on his hands, followed up by closing out a State of Play with Horizon Remake being the big announcement in the span of a month.

muahahahahaha
 
Stuart360 said:
If Sony really thought this was 'the future of Playstation' then nothing better could of happened than did happen, the game flopped to an incredible degree.

Honestly even average sales and they could of still thought this route was the future.

Concord flopping could turn out to not only be the best thing to happen to Playstation, but to gaming as a whole too.
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Plus, Astro Bot being a surprise hit makes this the best possible outcome. The message literally couldn't be clearer.
 
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I don't know who these people are, but I appreciate the Thrice shirt the guy on bottom is wearing. Formative album of my teen years.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Guys. Love or hate Colin....does anyone really believe this guy would have even dared mention this in such detail if he hadnt thoroughly checked the employees credentials.

It's fucking Colin. Not some random on twitter. If there is one fucking thing that I feel i know about Colin is that he wants to be viewed as a man of integrity. He will have done his due diligence to ensure he was 100% confident to share this or he wouldn't have.

400 mill is the low number compared to adding in buying the studio.
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It's him? https://www.neogaf.com/threads/coli...-in-development-for-ps5-by-bluepoint.1620829/
 
Ridicululzz said:
If I'm hearing right; he said they(most likely not all Sony) spent $200 million initially and basically had nothing to show for it? So they spent ANOTHER $200 million on it?

How do you spend $200 million and not have anything? And how do you then decide to buy the studio afterwards LOL
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It is called sunk cost fallacy and a very real thing.
 
We all know Colin is a Sony Pony Playstation fanboy, so I don't think he has a reason to lie tbh.

If he genuinely has sources of people who have worked closely on this game to a substantial degree then there's probably truth to it having a very inflated budget. But 400million is just ridiculous.
 
aerts1js said:
Why should we believe this? Nothing beforehand pointed to this costing 400 million dollars.
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Conversely, why shouldn't we believe it? Moriarty didn't just pull the number out of his ass, he had a source within Firewalk. A source he vetted, which is a fancy way of saying he wouldn't have reported it if he didn't think there was validity to it.

He doesn't need clickbait articles to get paid, he has a Patreon that supports him and the channel.

Do I think the number sounds high? Yeah. But I see no reason not to believe it, especially when all other issues are taken into account.
 
Nydius said:
Conversely, why shouldn't we believe it? Moriarty didn't just pull the number out of his ass, he had a source within Firewalk. A source he vetted, which is a fancy way of saying he wouldn't have reported it if he didn't think there was validity to it.

He doesn't need clickbait articles to get paid, he has a Patreon that supports him and the channel.

Do I think the number sounds high? Yeah. But I see no reason not to believe it, especially when all other issues are taken into account.
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Nah, just because he has a patreon doesn't make him a legit source. Literally the first time we have heard of that figure.. everything else was 200 mill at the high end.
 
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This number seems way too high to be believable but if it's true Sony Japan needs to take control immediately and start rolling out the guillotine for Sony America execs. It would be nice to see SIE finally back in the hands of sane individuals
 
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Nydius said:
Conversely, why shouldn't we believe it? Moriarty didn't just pull the number out of his ass,
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Because the numbers don't add up.

We know the team size and budgets of a number of games.

Naughty Dog had around 350 employees working on The Last of Us 2. Obviously that game had a ton of outsourcing too. That title was in development for 6 years and cost 200 million to make. Naughty Dog is also located in an expensive part of California.

We know Concord had a team of "less than 12" working on it in 2019 and ballooned up to around 160.

It takes room temperature IQ to believe Concord has some kind of crazy leverage to demand 3x the pay of Naughty Dog when it's a new team with a new IP. Your value goes up AFTER you prove yourself capable, not before. Colin quite literally pulled these numbers from his a%$.
 
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"toxic positivity"

that's what happens when in result of an unconditional "no shaming" mentality you don't critise at all anymore. Mate, you're handling a multi-million dollar project, not some instagram channel with calendar and positivity mottos. You should be critical every single day.
 
Professor was probably on about $350,000 per year given how much they thought of themselves.

Seriously, you can stand a UE5 skeleton up of an FPS in like an hour. Creating a few player models/skins and a handful of maps, as well as coding abilities and stuff should not take 8 years. Regardless of cost that's the biggest issue here. The alpha sounds like it was even worse than that.

And if you're panic outsourcing that will cost a lot of money. And if Colin is right and other 1st party studios had to chip in, well fuck me. That's horrendous insight.
 
That just sounds made up, especially for thev amount of actual content the game had....
Then again we've had 500 mio for Halo infinite which literally used the same 20 assets and map setpieces all game long......
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Because the numbers don't add up.

We know the team size and budgets of a number of games.

Naughty Dog had around 350 employees working on The Last of Us 2. Obviously that game had a ton of outsourcing too. That title was in development for 6 years and cost 200 million to make. Naughty Dog is also located in an expensive part of California.

We know Concord had a team of "less than 12" working on it in 2019 and ballooned up to around 160.

It takes room temperature IQ to believe Concord has some kind of crazy leverage to demand 3x the pay of Naughty Dog when it's a new team with a new IP. Your value goes up AFTER you prove yourself capable, not before. Colin quite literally pulled these numbers from his a%$.
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Anyone want to work out the team size from this?

Normally credits arnt over an hour long, just saying. You gotta pay for all these additional contractors and services that worked on the game.
 
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