Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.

Heisenberg007 said:
For sure. And a colossal failure (deservedly so!). But $400M would make it one of the most expensive and clearly the most expensive PS Studios games ever, and I just don't see it.

Sony would spend less money on a God of War sequel, a TLOU sequel, a Horizon sequel, and a Spider-Man sequel (all successful games with 20M+ copies), but would spend it on a new studio they acquired, which is making their first game ever, based on a completely new IP?

It doesn't add up.
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Yeah i agree, but even if you half it, is a colossal fuck up.
 
clarky said:
Colin states in the OP his source is people who worked on the game.

What are your sources?
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Literally how all fake news is spread: "I talked with an unnamed source close to the situation..."



The Concord team was less than 12 people in 2019. The Last of Us 2 cost 200 million dollars. It doesn't add up.
 
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StreetsofBeige said:
Briefly reading on it, a ton was spend on CGI. I never watched the show, but I guess it was like a typical superhero movie with tons of whiz bang effects. lol
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Theres also an episode featuring Concord for Amazon's Secret Level series iirc. So more on marketing there.
 
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clarky said:
Which ironically is the same shit you are pedalling.
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I'm peddling the fact that Concord had less than 12 developers working on it in 2019 but apparently it cost 2x more than significantly bigger games The Last of Us 2 and Forbidden West.

People will believe anything.
 
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fart town usa said:
Considering something like The Acolyte cost $150 million or so. It's completely plausible that Concord cost $400 million. Budgets are absurd for media these days.
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I think the important thing to remember as well is that sometimes the money isn't on screen. We know from the Insomniac leaks that even they were questioning the money sunk into Spider-Man 2 compared to Spider-Man because the improvement seemed so marginal.
 
Could be legit when you factor in the TV show thing, the outsourcing required and how they've gone all in on this IP and ended up buying the studio later on. Game probably sold to Sony suits by Hulst trusting him he has the finger on the pulse of western gamers and games. They thought they had a huge IP like a new Star Wars in the making and we must secure it.

Probably another aspect is how MS buying Activision really sent them spinning buying Bungie and trying to see what's coming down GAAS pike.

Sony and shooters hasn't gone that well, the huge game has been elusive but they've had some decent outings with KZ2, Timesplitters and HD2.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
The Concord team was less than 12 people in 2019. The Last of Us 2 cost 200 million dollars. It doesn't add up.
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It does though. It's why we have good companies and bad companies. Good companies know how to spend money wisely in order to make more money. Bad companies are good at wasting money and then they go bankrupt. That's why ND is a top studio in the industry and Firewalk will be a one and done studio.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
I'm peddling the fact that Concord had less than 12 developers working on it in 2019 but apparently it cost 2x more than significantly bigger games The Last of Us 2 and Forbidden West.

People will believe anything.
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Can't believe I agree with you of all people. But Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes is right. No way this $400m number is real.
 
AmuroChan said:
Because you're comparing apples to oranges. Spiderman is made by a very experienced studio who knows how to manage their projects and have a proven successful production pipeline. Firewalk is a brand new studio who now we know was run by incompetent people and burned through their cash like candy while delivering a turd of a game. Good businesses know how to spend money wisely and efficiently. Bad businesses don't and go into debt and eventual bankruptcy.
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I think is a perfect exemple of why games take more and more years to make and cost progressively more ... its just sheer incompetence and mismanagement ... years of bad hiring practices, bad leadership, wrong focus and priorities are clearly damaging development.
 
How is this $400 millions when it's so fucking bare bones. It's just a multiplayer arena shooter. No campaign, no extra modes, doesn't even use a custom game engine like how did they do this.
 
I can see why they thought that, so its not a strech to belive something like this. The production level of concord is quite high. but money doesnt make a good game, good ideas/stories/mechanics do.

Just like the Acolyte, they have infinite monery.
 
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Men_in_Boxes said:
The studio had "less than 12 people in 2019" according to one of it's developers.

Then they staffed up to around 160 in 5 years.

I'm sorry but this is a significantly smaller team than titles like The Last of Us 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman 2 etc...

If you believe Concord, with it's 10 maps, 16 characters, and 8 minutes of CGI cost 2x more than the above titles, you're a cow willing to be forced fed anything.

This story is complete nonsense. Colin is a clickbaiter and knows who his audience is (cows).
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Heisenberg007 said:
For sure. And a colossal failure (deservedly so!). But $400M would make it one of the most expensive and clearly the most expensive PS Studios games ever, and I just don't see it.

Sony would spend less money on a God of War sequel, a TLOU sequel, a Horizon sequel, and a Spider-Man sequel (all successful games with 20M+ copies), but would spend it on a new studio they acquired, which is making their first game ever, based on a completely new IP?

It doesn't add up.
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When did Sony buy them? Wasn't it like 2 years ago? They couldn't have poured all the funds into that fast and couldn't have raised the funds that fast either could they? Again, it really doesn't matter. It's just more money pissed away.
 
This is legitimately the worst possible news - All of my assumptions about their out of touch, dumbass execs like Herman and Jim are right. They have no idea what they're doing lmfao. Literally had their Premium Single Player studio in Naughty Dog, slaving away at a GAAS game.

They are clueless
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
For sure. And a colossal failure (deservedly so!). But $400M would make it one of the most expensive and clearly the most expensive PS Studios games ever, and I just don't see it.

Sony would spend less money on a God of War sequel, a TLOU sequel, a Horizon sequel, and a Spider-Man sequel (all successful games with 20M+ copies), but would spend it on a new studio they acquired, which is making their first game ever, based on a completely new IP?

It doesn't add up.
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have to factor in that those are single-player games that don't require servers and teams to keep it running.


still a foolish amount of wasted money even at half that
 
Begleiter said:
I think the important thing to remember as well is that sometimes the money isn't on screen. We know from the Insomniac leaks that even they were questioning the money sunk into Spider-Man 2 compared to Spider-Man because the improvement seemed so marginal.
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Oh for sure. Employee, equipment, and overal office costs were likely higher than what actually went into the finished game.
 
Herman Hulst should be shot on a space ship directly to the sun after this comes out. I always suspected it was on him, but this news pretty much confirms it.
 
Bernardougf said:
I think is a perfect exemple of why games take more and more years to make and cost progressively more ... its just sheer incompetence and mismanagement ... years of bad hiring practices, bad leadership, wrong focus and priorities are clearly damaging development.
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Yep, it's why good management makes such a big difference at any company. That's why one can't point to a good studio like Insomniac and ask how Firewalk can burn through $400m when Insomniac made Spiderman 2 for less than that. Insomniac is a well-run studio who knows how to use their funds efficiently and appropriately. Firewalk is a brand new studio with terrible management who doesn't know what the hell they were doing.
 
fart town usa said:
Considering something like The Acolyte cost $150 million or so. It's completely plausible that Concord cost $400 million. Budgets are absurd for media these days.
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Officially it was 180 million... but there are rumors that re shooting and pre production money loss upped that figure to almost 300 ... but thats just rumors...
 
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Guys. Love or hate Colin....does anyone really believe this guy would have even dared mention this in such detail if he hadnt thoroughly checked the employees credentials.

It's fucking Colin. Not some random on twitter. If there is one fucking thing that I feel i know about Colin is that he wants to be viewed as a man of integrity. He will have done his due diligence to ensure he was 100% confident to share this or he wouldn't have.

400 mill is the low number compared to adding in buying the studio.
 
Men_in_Boxes said:
Literally how all fake news is spread: "I talked with an unnamed source close to the situation..."



The Concord team was less than 12 people in 2019. The Last of Us 2 cost 200 million dollars. It doesn't add up.
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Yes Colin with his majorly successful patreon needs clicks on X to pay the bills.

He can't name the source as that would out them and they still work at Firewalk. It's not hard to grasp.
 
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