phant0m
Member
Bring back Jack T
Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.
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BigBeauford
Member
I'm assuming the takes you give and information you spread isn't wholly tied to your livelihood and ability to feed your family. So no, you saying this is not the same as him saying it.You don't understand.
This is the response of everyone who creates and spreads fake news. Here, I'll demonstrate for you.
I, Men_in_Boxes, heard Concord only cost 2 million dollars to make. I talked with someone who works at Firewalk.
You are skeptical of my claim. Rightly so.
I say "Well prove it. Prove that I'm lying. I have no incentive to lie to you. Give me quantifyable proof that Concord didn't cost 2 million dollars to make. See...you can't. Therefore I must be telling the truth."
All fake news is created because it's DESIGNED to be unfalsifiable. We can't question Colin Moriarty. We don't know who he talked to. We don't know if the person has financial knowledge of the company. We just have to trust him.
clarky
Gold Member
If they close the studio then yeah ill give you that.
phant0m
Member
Sucker Punch couldn't make Infamous 3 + Sushi Ghost 2 in the same gen even if they wanted to and it was greenlit
Ready at Dawn is dead so no Order 1886
I don't think insomniac will ever make another Resistance game, sadly. Probably same for Guerrilla and Killzone.
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coachmcguirk91
Gold Member
Concord did not cost Sony 400 million. People just making shit up now. The studio didn't open until 2019 and only grew to 150 employees at it's peak.
For retrospect, Ghost of Tsushima cost 80mil over 6 years development time, for a studio of similar size
For retrospect, Ghost of Tsushima cost 80mil over 6 years development time, for a studio of similar size
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
It would not, because he's smart enough to do it in a way that's deniable. Have any of you run into any liars in your life? Small children are intelligent enough to create contingencies in case they're caught. If I was in that podcast with Colin, I would be grilling him about the specifics of who he talked to and exactly what was said...instead his co hosts happily shut up because he's their boss and it doesn't pay to analyze his claims. Also, you have to remember, Colin doesn't necessarily need to be lying here. He could very easily have talked to a lowly QA nut who was willing to make wild claims and Colin just packages what he heard as something more reliable in nature.
So the public isn't allowed to be skeptical? What?
If I get banned for disagreeing with the mob on this then call me Nathan Hale.
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clarky
Gold Member
So what do you think it cost then?
Astray
Member
Not just games.
You look at Bungie and they have a ton of patents that Sony can add to its library and a lot of assets that can be put to use on top of their games (existing and upcoming).
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It depends completely on efficiency and planning how much of hat expense is visible in the final product. Take those Disney movies and TV shows for instance. If the director doesn't know shit about how CGI works and keeps asking for changes, if the Disney execs keep interfering and demand changes to the script and reshoots, you'll get CGI studios working overtime to get every shot finished and a cheap looking final product.
clarky
Gold Member
Shut it Nate
diffusionx
Gold Member
Like so many other things, you don't understand how reporting works. You put your name to an unnamed source. You take the hit if they are lying. You get ass blasted if the source is wrong. It is your job to figure out that they are telling the truth before you put it out there. Because once you do, you own it. That's how journalism works. His co-hosts don't ask him about the source because they are adults who understand how reporting and journalism work. Sources aren't named for a reason, because they are sources.
It sounds like you are just butthurt because you didn't see this massive failure coming and it hurts your self-identification as a foremost GAAS game expert.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
CNN, Fox News, Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, MSNBC, Alex Jones...Donald Trump...Kamala Harris
They would never lie and spread misinformation because their livelihood and reputation are tied up in the truth.
Oh wait.
Why do we think the games media is held to a higher standard than the sources above?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i just heard the audio once.
but is the budget before the acquisition (not sony's)
then the acquaition and ongoing wages
the input of money to released the game faster.
i think the budget of the game HAS to be 150M max
HeisenbergFX4
Member
People want names but people who give names when they wish to remain anonymous wont be getting inside info any longer
Saturn Dragon
Member
SJRB
Gold Member
Weren't they planning to release story-related CGI cutscenes like every week or something?
The non-essential dev costs for this game compared to Ghost of Tsushima were undoubtedly enormous.
Bernardougf
Member
Yeah Xbox had the perfect turn around gen .. the problem is that their manegement has been shit for 10+ years and MS didnt give a fuck
clarky
Gold Member
And why are you higher than all of the above?
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Unnamed sources are notoriously unreliable. The hit you take is significantly less than the bump you get for spreading the made up story.
"My source was wrong. I'm never using them again."
6 months pass.,,,Their audience forgives and forgets.
"So let me tell you what I just heard from someone at X company..."
If Colin strikes out enough times in a short enough period, his reputation would indeed take a hit. He's not even close to that point.
near
Member
Colin isn't a journalist, he doesn't report on news or break news. He's a former journalist that has been in the industry long enough to make a name for himself and build connections. If he knows something he doesn't tease it like Jeff Grubb. When he is certain about something or has sourced it, he'll share it. He's podcast is actually chill, he doesn't try to sell himself or he's company. This is the same guy who was cancelled by the industry for being 'sexist'. In my opinion I think he's reliable, and I'm often quite sceptical about 'insiders'. I don't think he falls into that category, but he does know things here and there.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
I'm not.
I'm just maintaining a high level of skepticism. You don't have to buy what Colin is selling.
Bernardougf
Member
Man in shanbles i mean boxes.. dont even try it man
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's funny to joke about it, but Sony would have made it $700 anyway. They're right. Xbox can't compete at this moment in the market and Sony is going to milk that for all it's worth.
diffusionx
Gold Member
He's been in this business for 20 years... If this is the way he operates, there would be plenty of examples of such. People don't become slimy manipulative liars like this overnight. I am not aware of any examples. If there are, feel free to post it and then we can take that into account. Until then. I will say this story makes sense to me and I have no reason to doubt it.
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Exoil
Member
Out of touch with some of their customers, I look forward to the ProShows how out of touch they are with their customers. That and the the ps5 pro.
Hoping some humble pie brings back fun and creative Sony
FunkMiller
Banned
With the ballooning costs of all major media releases, I can actually believe this might be in the ballpark. 8 years is a very long time.
Hope the professor is happy.
Hope the professor is happy.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I don't understand why someone gets so invested in disputing numbers that someone like Colin is reporting on
Just ignore the thread and move on
Just ignore the thread and move on
PlayerNumber0ne
Neo Member
Doesnt HD2 have mtx?
FunkMiller
Banned
Put it this way. The same people would believe the numbers if Phil Spencer was responsible instead.
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This is what a skeptic sounds like:
"Doesn't add up to me. I'll wait for more evidence." *leaves thread*
You sound more like this person:
Astray
Member
Not gonna lie, his forum gimmick might be the worst I've ever seen lmfao.
His flailing about this game in particular has been very, VERY entertaining.
Alebrije
Member
My Bet is the Game cost 200 md ,but if really cost 400 Hermen should be out of Sony because if he Gave green light to Concord Will do the same on the future
Lets Say concord cost 200 md , with that Sony could deliver a new Legend of Dragon and a Socom, or at least Killzone. Sony knows nothing about Gaas they should focus on great single player experiences.
Lets Say concord cost 200 md , with that Sony could deliver a new Legend of Dragon and a Socom, or at least Killzone. Sony knows nothing about Gaas they should focus on great single player experiences.
BennyBlanco
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Mobygames credits 1,982 people
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It's not about the story making sense, but the numbers not adding up. I find the $400 million budget hard too believe too considering the fact that bigger Sony studios working on far more ambitious games had $200 million budgets that were already deemed extravagant because of the required sales numbers just to break even.
Spider-Man 2 cost a crazy $300 million and needed to sell at least 7.2 million copies at $70 to to start making a profit. If Concord's budget really was $400 million, then how many copies of the game at $40 did Sony expect to sell before they'd start making money? 14 million copies? Remember that Concord didn't have a microtransaction system (yet) and that Sony only gets 100% of that $40 for sales on its own online sales platform.
FunkMiller
Banned
Nobody should forget how idiotically expensive marketing is, and how big a chunk of that money probably went on it.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Damn, if true then this may explain why Sony suddenly canned other gaas projects across its studios. I'd wager the available budget sort of dried up as a result of the ridiculous cost of this game.
They literally risked it all on Concord and lost. Surely we should expect a few high profile exits from PlayStation as a result of this debacle.
They literally risked it all on Concord and lost. Surely we should expect a few high profile exits from PlayStation as a result of this debacle.
tkscz
Member
FOUR HUNDRED MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS?!
Might want to listen to this until the end as he mentions that $400 million does NOT include the money they spent to buy Firwalk. Wasn't that around $200 million as well?
Why in gods name are these things so expensive and just seemingly ever multiplying in cost. Like spider man 2 was already pretty much double the cost of spider man 1, and it used the same bloody map. Now spider man 3 is gonna cost 100 mil more? Like how? Why? It's not like the revenue is gonna be growing accordingly. I thought all the new tools, libraries and familiarity with them (ie later in the gen) would make them more not less cost effective to build. It's really seeming ever more unustatinabke.
Kaiserstark
Member
One developer said that in 2019, there were 12 of them working on the game. The number had to gradually increase until it reached 160 for them to enter full production for about two years as is the norm.
It's pretty hard to believe that such a game could cost 400 million.
It's pretty hard to believe that such a game could cost 400 million.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Sony wont end up paying $400 million for Concord. Sony fans will though.
ComputerBlue
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mayham2199
Member
If they were doing this left and right I would agree but it seems like a one off. I get coming after these companies for screw ups but they are going to make mistakes eventually they aren't perfect.
