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"Future of PlayStation"
So… a Premonition?
So… a Premonition?
Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.
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Haint
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The cost per head is very plausible as I laid out a month ago. The cost to the business is FAR more than just salary, especially in a super liberal democratic state/city, in a super pampered, super white collar industry like modern game development. I'm just not sure the game had that many developers for that amount of time, which is why I personally find the $400 million figure dubious, especially if it doesn't include the studio purchase.
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PurePlatinum
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I believe things were bad, maybe even worse than we know, but I don't believe that $400m number. The accounting on that seems pretty generously tilted toward providing a shocking headline.
Colin is good at many things but often his inside sources are only partially correct or provide misleading information.
Colin is good at many things but often his inside sources are only partially correct or provide misleading information.
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Investor9872
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Sony should charge $2,500 for the new PS5 Pro 30th Anniversary bundle to make some of that money back. I guarantee you the limited 12,300 units will still sellout.
ChorizoPicozo
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they already are flooding the algorithm...good.
RCU005
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With that $ as the S, you can already tell they will try to milk you dry from all your money from day 1.
poodaddy
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MayauMiao
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Concord is trending on X, and not in a very good way.
Hypereides
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Just a reminder, it was Hermen who, allegedly, pushed for Japan Studio's closure.
Current output is miles away from the bustling creativity they used to produce.
Those same "fanboys" (read: zealots) will still double, triple and quadruple down in Hermen's defence. They won't entertain the mere thought that the current creative leadership/management may be unfit for the sake of the company. It would break the illusion they've built for themselves of Sony being this flawless entity that is immune to criticism and isn't supposed to be questioned, y'know. Pointing out concerns is a "sin" in their church.
Current output is miles away from the bustling creativity they used to produce.
RCU005
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Yeah, when Hulst gave him his kool aid and made him believe that Concord would be the biggest hit in all entertainment history, even higher than Mario Bros and Mickey Mouse.
nial
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Since people unironically believe this, why exactly was Sony telling investors to not expect any big sellers this FY in the same vein as God of War Ragnarok and Spider-Man 2?
digital_ghost
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If thats the future of playstation, it doesn't look like a good future.
BlitzerRadic
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People here actually believe that it cost $400m to make that game?
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StreetsofBeige
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I think every website or podcaster should randomly throw out made up numbers. It just brings more uncertainty until proven wrong by Sony financial statements to the public. And youre not getting the next one till Nov. And who knows if they'll distinctly disclose FW/Concord data. They might not and just bury it in the data hoping nobody brings it up.
So for another two months it'll be open season for forums and twitter trolls to go wild making fun and casting doubt on Hermen and Sony GAAS. I'm sure it pisses off Sony with all the chat about Concord. They know all this uncertainty is egging them on to admit failure and disclose costs, but up to them to say something or not.
No different than you'd get people egging on Xbox or PS leads with questions or doubt or accusations hoping they finally bite and someone answers.
So for another two months it'll be open season for forums and twitter trolls to go wild making fun and casting doubt on Hermen and Sony GAAS. I'm sure it pisses off Sony with all the chat about Concord. They know all this uncertainty is egging them on to admit failure and disclose costs, but up to them to say something or not.
No different than you'd get people egging on Xbox or PS leads with questions or doubt or accusations hoping they finally bite and someone answers.
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PendekarRajawali
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Was viewed as the future of PS.
DarkstarRising13
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Pathetic. Absolutely freaking Pathetic! Coming from someone who's been a loyal PlayStation fan for nearly twenty-five years, the present leadership at PlayStation is beyond garbage. Jim Ryan's decision to put ALL their eggs on GAAS is one of the stupidest things ever, including forcing some of their first-party studios to work on them, despite them clearly saying they have no experience with GAAS. No wonder they forced retired/fired Jim Ryan from his position and Herman Hulst is no doubt being summoned to upper management on the question as to WHY he thought it was a good idea to not only fully support this disaster of a game, but also buy the studio responsible for it. If I was an executive at Sony and witnessed this abomination, I would demand this man's resignation and make efforts to pull PlayStation headquarters back to Japan.
$400 million. Even though it's alleged that Sony only put $200 million to get this game out of the disaster it was in, a tax write-off will go so much to curb the damage it has brought. Shut this expensive studio down and acknowledge that going the GAAS route was poorly planned and not their style, and they will redouble their efforts on Single-player games and work closely with third-party studios for multiplayer games.
$400 million. Even though it's alleged that Sony only put $200 million to get this game out of the disaster it was in, a tax write-off will go so much to curb the damage it has brought. Shut this expensive studio down and acknowledge that going the GAAS route was poorly planned and not their style, and they will redouble their efforts on Single-player games and work closely with third-party studios for multiplayer games.
MayauMiao
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Maybe its that slap in the face by "twitter trolls" is needed for Sony to wake from their DEI dream bubble and face reality of the industry.
MayauMiao
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Suicidal Squad lost $200 mil but WB still let the game run for at least a year.
Meanwhile, Sony shuts down Concord in mere days, with full refund too. That kind of indicate the level of disaster is worse than what we led to believe.
Tiago Rodrigues
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How is Sony going to react once the Haven studio flops? It's going to be just as bad lmao
Bumblebeetuna
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This can't be real, right? What could have possibly resulted in that much cost? Seems like hyperbole.
DarkstarRising13
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Oh yes, it will be. We don't know when Fairgame$ is coming out (what a ridiculous name for a game), but Jade Raymond and Haven Studios must be biting their nails in terror. The disastrous aftermath of Concord's failure is no doubt a discussion at their studio, and considering Sony is doing a tax-write off in all but name for Concord, they're likely going to be fired and closed down by the time Fairgame$ panned reception comes to fruition.
StreetsofBeige
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The $400M is hilarious, but I dont believe it.
Ya I know some people said high cost of dev team and location, tons of expensive CGI and outsourcing help etc... but it just seems so high were getting to Avatar 2 kind of funding here. It sounds too high at face value. But I dont work in tech, so what do I know. lol
Ya I know some people said high cost of dev team and location, tons of expensive CGI and outsourcing help etc... but it just seems so high were getting to Avatar 2 kind of funding here. It sounds too high at face value. But I dont work in tech, so what do I know. lol
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Shakka43
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One thing is certain, those guys are sweating bullets at the moment.
StreetsofBeige
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On the plus side Haven has time. I think people are assuming it's a 2025 game, but who knows. Maybe its always been meant as a 2026 or so game. So they got time.
People are cringing at the trailers, but I dont think people cringe at the plot or gameplay. Raiding mansions and escaping with the loot seemed ok I think.
But if they got time to change the tone where it's not cheesy wokey 20 year olds giving attitude to rich dudes, they should change it because it's a different kind of cringe than DEI or pronouns messages.
I think there;s a difference between classic Robin Hood stealing against a greedy king, vs. college aged kids stealing from a greedy VP. On paper, it sounds like the same shit, but there's something about modern day 20 years doing it being a turn off vs. Robin and his merry men.
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MayauMiao
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People couldn't believe The Acolyte cost $180 mil too but it happened.
Perhaps someone at Firewalk Studios knew the truth and knowing their potential firing, decides to out the true cost of the game.
RCU005
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Probably something like this:
Hulst: Just you wait, it doesn't matter that we haven't made any big seller SP game on PS5 like we have for the past 30 years. With Concord and FairGame$ we will make 10 times the money we have made one all single player games combined throughout all these years!. Have you heard of Fortnite? Concord alone will sell so much more, that it will make it look like E.T. for Atari. (saleswise).
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LMJ
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Between this and the attempt to push Horizon to the point of redundancy, rather than focus on a new IP or even another Killzone (you have Bungie for Pete's sake) I think it's time for new leadership at Playstation, but I would be inclined to believe that Hulst isn't going anywhere and like Specter will be around for far too long
FoxMcChief
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Nerd.
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FoxMcChief
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Rhazer Fusion
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I refuse to believe that Concord cost $400,000,000 to make. Isn't that even more than Spider-Man 2 which I think was around $300-350 million to develop?
Jinzo Prime
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1,992 credits according to:
Concord credits (PlayStation 5, 2024) - MobyGames
The official game credits for Concord released on PlayStation 5 in 2024. The credits include 1,982 people.
www.mobygames.com
There are a hell of a lot of PlayStation Studios Creative Arts credits listed here. Lots of CGI and stunt work, and look at this:
They even got Weta roped into this. I know it's not Weta Digital, but it still can't be cheap to consult with a movie SFX company.
I'm not saying that this thing cost $400 million. But it is not completely outside of reason to speculate that.
EverydayBeast
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Absolutely embarrassing, 200 million factions, 300 on bungie who hasn't done anything, and now 400 million on concord.
TheDarkPhantom
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$400 million is hard to believe, I think Colin's source is indulging and I would have hoped he'd analyzed it a bit more. Either way it's a colossal failure on myriad levels and a cautionary tale for PlayStation, what an absolute clusterfuck of a game.
ViciousAgenda
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They made a years worth of CGI story based stuff. I'd wager that cost a pretty penny.
Come On Tars
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This is one of my favorite stories in gaming history
Hawking Radiation
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400 Million ??!!!
CCCCC Combo Breaker!!!!
CCCCC Combo Breaker!!!!
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SyedDanishAnwar
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This is my favorite case study of the gaming industry.
Business graduates would certainly look at the fiasco with interest to learn what not to do to avoid burning cash - Ignore the market trend and target audience.
The entire studio need to wind up, and start right from the scratch back in Japan if they want to rise again. Western (or the US) culture of chasing profit is killing the iconic brand.
PS. If anyone here speaks Japanese, could you please give the folks at the top a firm wake-up call? The brand's being tortured with a Brazen Bull by profit mogering chaps at Sony Studios, and they need to stop letting those capitalists run it into the ground!
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