Colin Moriarty: Concord cost 400M. Was viewed as the future of PS.

I don't believe you.
That's fair. I live in a town with >1 million people and of course i haven't checked all of them (probably thousands). But in my neighborhood all of them had Spider-Man/GOW/Horizon. Some are spinning with 3 ads so multiple companies can rent them at the same time. None of them were rent for Astro Bots or Concord.
 
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Just a reminder, it was Hermen who, allegedly, pushed for Japan Studio's closure.


Those same "fanboys" (read: zealots) will still double, triple and quadruple down in Hermen's defence. They won't entertain the mere thought that the current creative leadership/management may be unfit for the sake of the company. It would break the illusion they've built for themselves of Sony being this flawless entity that is immune to criticism and isn't supposed to be questioned, y'know. Pointing out concerns is a "sin" in their church.

Current output is miles away from the bustling creativity they used to produce.
And you know this is something I just can't understand. And it's not just about Sony fanboys, but fanboys of any company or product. It's complete insanity to me. Like, if these fanboys were the owners of these companies I would somewhat get it, but no. As a fanboy you should want your precious company to be good not vehemently argue that the crazy stupid things they do is positive. It's ridiculous and sad at the same time.
 
Can someone pinpoint the exact moment Sony shit the bed with PlayStation because I had a lot of fun on my PS4,things were pretty great back then.
The moment MS bought Activision and for some reason they went panic mode and impulse buy Bungie/Firewalk etc and being gready chasing the GAAS/Fortnitr lighting in a bottle situation
 
The moment MS bought Activision and for some reason they went panic mode and impulse buy Bungie/Firewalk etc and being gready chasing the GAAS/Fortnitr lighting in a bottle situation
I don't think you panic buy something for 3 billion dollars.
 
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Ready at Dawn is dead so no Order 1886
While yes, very true it's unlikely we'll see a sequel, that has little to do with RaD now being no more as Sony own the IP so they can do with it as they like, whether that's a reboot, remaster, sequel, a TV series, film or whatever.
 
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And you know this is something I just can't understand. And it's not just about Sony fanboys, but fanboys of any company or product. It's complete insanity to me. Like, if these fanboys were the owners of these companies I would somewhat get it, but no. As a fanboy you should want your precious company to be good not vehemently argue that the crazy stupid things they do is positive. It's ridiculous and sad at the same time.
I agree. Some times you have to wonder whether or not these "hardcore fanboys" aren't deceptive astroturfers who weasel into communities and steer/disrupt the discourse and consensus through noise and confusion. We live in an age where the internet isn't just used for escape and pastime anymore. Its become a plane leveraged by large companies to manage their perception and reputation as well.
 
Can someone pinpoint the exact moment Sony shit the bed with PlayStation because I had a lot of fun on my PS4,things were pretty great back then.
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I don't think you panic buy something for 3 billion dollars.
Not a panic buy but more of a desperate move.

Sony cannot be blind to the fact what game makes most revenue/ is more famous anymore.

They also removed Japanese management to make this work. If they only intended to make SP titles, Japanese management was very familiar and good with that.
 
The only positive is that this now signifies the end of the HAAS gold rush.

GAAS won't go away, but the fast growth is now over.

Sony should focus on where they've been successful with Helldivers and Gran Turismo and leave it at those two games.
 
Not a panic buy but more of a desperate move.

Sony cannot be blind to the fact what game makes most revenue/ is more famous anymore.

They also removed Japanese management to make this work. If they only intended to make SP titles, Japanese management was very familiar and good with that.

I can see a bit of a pivot back to that.
 
I can see a bit of a pivot back to that.
This will be decided by the market.

They made a game that failed cause of obvious reasons and something they did themselves, that doesn't change the market.

They will try again.

I also don't think they will shut Firesprite or Bungie, even if they produce failures.
 
This will be decided by the market.

They made a game that failed cause of obvious reasons and something they did themselves, that doesn't change the market.

They will try again.

I also don't think they will shut Firesprite or Bungie, even if they produce failures.

I think a lot of publishers are now realising that it's too late to be the next Fortnite.

I'm not saying GAAS will go away, but it will decline as many companies are finding it's not worth the investment.

Bungie will survive due to their success with Destiny 2, Firesprite are toast though.

Same goes for Haven once Fairgame$ flops, like Concord they missed the gold rush.
 
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Why are people mocking the idea that Concord was considered the future of PlayStation? It's plausible. I can totally see the future of PlayStation involving a series of expensive flops.
 
I agree. Some times you have to wonder whether or not these "hardcore fanboys" aren't deceptive astroturfers who weasel into communities and steer/disrupt the discourse and consensus through noise and confusion. We live in an age where the internet isn't just used for escape and pastime anymore. Its become a plane leveraged by large companies to manage their perception and reputation as well.
Yes, I'm sure there is something to this.
 
Yup, they're surplus to requirements.

Jim Ryan was the one who directed this move and now he's gone.
I don't doubt from a business perspective Sony will make cuts or possibly close the whole studio. But it's not the staffs fault Sony encouraged poor design choices and pumped money into the studio to make it all happen. Sony Executives should be the ones held the most accountable.
 
I don't doubt from a business perspective Sony will make cuts or possibly close the whole studio. But it's not the staffs fault Sony encouraged poor design choices and pumped money into the studio to make it all happen. Sony Executives should be the ones held the most accountable.

Without Jim Ryan's live service push I doubt many of these people would have been in the job in the first place.
 
Hermen Hulst could've shut this shit down after the first $100 million was spent.

I do wonder at which point this game was past the point of no return with regards to spend.

The lack of marketing indicates they knew it would be a flop before launch, but they probably got it over the line just to see if they got lucky.
 
I do wonder at which point this game was past the point of no return with regards to spend.

The lack of marketing indicates they knew it would be a flop before launch, but they probably got it over the line just to see if they got lucky.
I'd imagine it was after they purchased the studio. Probably the strangest decision Sony has made. Along with the acquisition of Haven Studios.
 
The current playstation leadership saw this as the future? Yeah, it's not looking good right now if that is the case. Though it's probably an exaggeration for clicks.
 
The current playstation leadership saw this as the future? Yeah, it's not looking good right now if that is the case. Though it's probably an exaggeration for clicks.

We'll have to wait and see whether they greenlight anymore games of this type.

In a way I can't blame them, every publisher thought they strike gold with Live Service trash over the past decade, after all many companies were finding success.
 
We'll have to wait and see whether they greenlight anymore games of this type.

In a way I can't blame them, every publisher thought they strike gold with Live Service trash over the past decade, after all many companies were finding success.

They will have more. Sony isn't going to stop chasing live service games.
 
I mean who doesnt want the Fortnite seige cash cow.
They weren't wrong chasing the gaas money machine but the game they went with was total ass.
And what I'm reading about marathon I'm pretty sure it will also have concord level of success
 
Once FAIRGAME$ and Marathon flop I think they're done with this endeavour.
Trust me they won't.
I don't know if u know about the game brawlstars but it's a f2p mobile game more than 5 years old now, in the first quarter of 2024 they made quarter of a billion dollars.
That's what these companies are after
A game like uncharted 5 or last of us 3 will only sell a couple of million copies they want gaas games that generate money years after they are released
 
Trust me they won't.
I don't know if u know about the game brawlstars but it's a f2p mobile game more than 5 years old now, in the first quarter of 2024 they made quarter of a billion dollars.
That's what these companies are after
A game like uncharted 5 or last of us 3 will only sell a couple of million copies they want gaas games that generate money years after they are released
They'll at the very least be forced to change their approach to investment in way or another. Bungie x Concord has potentially set them back $4 billion, and with Destiny 2 on its last legs, all they've got in return is toxic positivity. lololol
 
Trust me they won't.
I don't know if u know about the game brawlstars but it's a f2p mobile game more than 5 years old now, in the first quarter of 2024 they made quarter of a billion dollars.
That's what these companies are after
A game like uncharted 5 or last of us 3 will only sell a couple of million copies they want gaas games that generate money years after they are released


You are talking as if it were magic. One game succeeds, and twenty go EOS. That's the reality of GaaS, they must bring something new to the table. Fairgames will flop badly and Marathon will likely go the same route.

Bungie was about to go bankrupt before Sony saved their asses and that's with an established IP like Destiny.
 
The first trailer I saw from this game, it just seemed slow and boring and visually uninspired. When it tanked, I wondered how come nobody saw that coming. But "a dev culture of "toxic positivity" halted any negative feedback" goes a long way into explaining that. This is what happens when you hire the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Project managers and producers have a gigantic responsibility. The financial viability of the game is on them.

I'm not happy Sony lost all this money that could've been used on other projects but if this is the way the industry will learn not to hire the wrong people, then so be it.
 
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Fire hundreds because in 6 years all they did was a shit game that nobody wanted and they didn't listen to players or accept any criticism. Fire every one of them.

I don't understand why they should be given another chance of keep ruining the company.

Even Janette who made everyone a coffee in the morning and was really lovely.

Every. Last. One. Of. Them.
 
Some of you need to ask yourselves if single player Sony games will still be good… I seriously doubt it and I bet they have no good games to show and I have a feeling all of them will feature a woman as the main character…
 
All I'm going to say is anyone here that believes any bit of this is a total fucking clown just like Colin. He is just trying to get attention. Sony thought this game was going to be huge? I guess that's why they told investors they had no big games this fiscal year months and months ago right? What a clown show
No big games from kwon franchises was the correct statement... so tune down the offenses or at least use factual arguments to support your bullshit
 
Some of you need to ask yourselves if single player Sony games will still be good… I seriously doubt it and I bet they have no good games to show and I have a feeling all of them will feature a woman as the main character…
Astrobot is great .. so I can only hope the Japan HQ takes over again and in the future we can go back to great SP games.. as it is I agree with you to some extent
 
The talented people all retired / got pushed out, and now the industry is awash with techbro cunts who moved over from Wall Street.

See also Hollywood.
My personal shorthand for this is the move to "content". It's games, music, movies vs. content. Of course there have always been cynical cashgrab products in all these spaces but there absolutely has been a shift in atmosphere and I keep thinking of it as all this shit being content vs. something at least rooted in artistic expression.

Probably some rambling shit here but yea, this shift has been very apparent to me across all entertainment forms for years and years. That "style" has influenced many older filmmakers etc. as well by now imo.
 
I will give all of these hot woke garbage games some credit. I am still be entertained by them. I do not have to spend any money. I am entertained by the dumpster fire. And this is the year of the dumpster fire. So many, I can hardly keep track. I do not think a lesson will be learned any time soon, so I fully expect this will continue for years to come. Free entertainment.
 
Where is this idea of "no marketing" coming from? The NFL app had wall to wall Concord ads for a month before release. People with ad blocking software, premium tier streaming services and video game habits might not make the best anecdotals for what was or wasn't marketed. I saw a ton of Concord ads.
 
Where is this idea of "no marketing" coming from? The NFL app had wall to wall Concord ads for a month before release. People with ad blocking software, premium tier streaming services and video game habits might not make the best anecdotals for what was or wasn't marketed. I saw a ton of Concord ads.

That was kind of a bullshit excuse from every access media and blind fanboys trying to defend Concord.
 
Why Concort was the future of Sony:

-This year Sony's State of Play were lame but Concord had a lot of space.
-Big budget/Quality CGI.
-Believe PRO + Concord + Cerny was real but Sony had to cut it.
-The Amazon Chapter about Concord. Why a Chapter about a game with no legacy or story like the others.

So really the 400 md cost it's not net problem , it could be 100, 200, etc.

What worrries is if they gave green light to Concord , what other games are there on the same road with the same thinking/ bussiness strategy? What better projects were left behind for just follow the Gaas bait?

Also extrange we have not hear nothing from Hermen H about Concord, this just tells the weak leadership he has by just Hidden on the "radio silent" strategy instead of tell to the market /investors what are they doing to avoid future Concord situations.
 
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