BigLee74
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What does this even mean? You can't just throw words together and expect them to make sense.
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What does this even mean? You can't just throw words together and expect them to make sense.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
"I'll have a foursome with Emilia Clarke, Ana de Armas, and Sydney Sweeney. Ring up this post 10 years from now. You'll see."
Nonehxc
Member
'WARNING, the Dung Slayer has entered the facility'2025 year of THE xbox , will slay playstation and switch 2 simultaneously
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Exactly.
A good game? Sure.
A GOTY winner? Lol no.
People are being delusional here because the cut-off data is already set and there is no possibility of Indiana Jones competing in the GOTY list at TGA, so they can pretend whatever they want now.
XXL
Banned
Imo, it kind of looks boring.
The exploration is interesting, but the combat and stealth don't look great. Could be wrong, as some games don't show that well, but I'm waiting for people I like on here to give some impressions first.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure.
But when # 127 gets a nomination over so many other deserving games, you know the whole thing is fucked up, less about critical or academic success and more of a popularity contest (or to appease geoff's Chinese sponsors)
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Sharing supporting data is now obnoxious? And making ridiculous claims like Indiana Jones is GOTY, totally ignoring 40 other games that scored better this year is perfectly fine?
Got it, mate!
Killjoy-NL
Banned
And people got mad at me for saying this game won't sell particularly well on PS5 next year.Yep. All the GOTY talk is delusional.
Indiana Jones is currently the 13th best game on Xbox Series X|S this year. And the 41st best game overall.
Now they are all pretending as if it would have been GOTY if not for the cut-off date. lmao.
The game isn't even that popular on Xbox own platform.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
And we know what happened with Black Myth Wukong. The game is absolutely a 90+ but was dragged down by stupid reviewers taking points off for diversity, Chinese-phobia, and whatnot.Sure.
But when # 127 gets a nomination over so many other deserving games, you know the whole thing is fucked up, less about critical or academic success and more of a popularity contest (or to appease geoff's Chinese sponsors)
It's only getting its due recognition after great user scores and good word of mouth from gamers.
Firestartah
Banned
Agree with most of what you said before, but Avowed gonna flop. Worse than Veilguard.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Multiple teams, what are those
Nonehxc
Member
To right, all this slander for years, people have been laughing at me, trying to get me sectioned for my views, well your not laughing now. Xbox reign of terror is upon us, teasing everyone with these big boy games on other platforms then go exclusive again, Nintendo, PS and PC mandem will be flocking for the Xbox at the time.
Phil Spencer will have you all bowing so much you end up with a twisted spine.
It's so good to finally see you vindicated, Todd.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Sharing supporting data is now obnoxious? And making ridiculous claims like Indiana Jones is GOTY, totally ignoring 40 other games that scored better this year is perfectly fine?
Got it, mate!
I want Wukong, the 81 score game, which would land how far in that list? to wipe the floor with all contenders. You have brain rot if you think GOTY contenders are just raw score.
Topher
Identifies as young
Would we be talking about Indy and GOTY if it had scored 75? No, we would not. Why pretend critical reception for games are not a factor here?
Sure.
But when # 127 gets a nomination over so many other deserving games, you know the whole thing is fucked up, less about critical or academic success and more of a popularity contest (or to appease geoff's Chinese sponsors)
Yeah, but that's also a game that broke single player game records on Steam. I don't think anyone is suggesting critical reception is the only factor here.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Most reviews of the game cited its combat, level design etc but I'm sure you're going to use that screen rant review's negative about lack of inclusion as the universal indicator now.
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Topher
Identifies as young
To right, all this slander for years, people have been laughing at me, trying to get me sectioned for my views, well your not laughing now. Xbox reign of terror is upon us, teasing everyone with these big boy games on other platforms then go exclusive again, Nintendo, PS and PC mandem will be flocking for the Xbox at the time.
Phil Spencer will have you all bowing so much you end up with a twisted spine.
I would pay good money to see you and
Ass of Can Whooping
in a cage match.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I bet it sells decently on PS5
Not sure we can take anything from what little data is out there right now as far as how popular it actually is on Xbox since its only in early access atm
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Probably. I'm still gonna stick with ~1-2M copies range.
Similar to Astro and Stellar Blade. Indy seems like something on that level.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I love it very much but if ant game is an epitome of an acquired taste — it's Indiana. Critics are overselling it a lot.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok but if critical reception are both are a factor but also not the only factor and some part of sales success also gets factored in, then Keighley should have replaced BM Wukong with Black Ops 6, it has both a higher critical reception and has likely sold more already.
It's very easy to poke holes in their nomination criteria even removing Indy from the equation altogether. I, personally, believe BM Wukong is only there as some kind of a sponsorship 'gimme'.
vaibhavpisal
Member
GOTY discussion is a bit complicated.
In 2020, id Soft released Doom Eternal, thats considered greatest shooters ever made, myself included. But its hardly won any GOTY awards.
Same for Half Life Alyx.
Instead, practically everyone gave it to a very divisive game.
So, GOTY awards hardly mean anything, its like music. I hardly enjoy any grammy winners.
It it that good?
90+ in my books should be reserved for game of generation material imo.
They did improved quite a bit in DLCs.
It could flop commercially. Not uncommon.
I think quality should be there.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
So what's the threshold where we do not think of GOTY based on score? There's a real possibility that a 81 score game beats out a 94 score game in less than a week.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's 100% going to be the top scoring game in the user voting category.
DeepEnigma
likely (correctly) predicted that there will be a lot of vote farming going on.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
It's 100% going to be the top scoring game in the user voting category.
Can Sony ponies beat Chinese bots?
Parazels
Member
There are no alternatives to consoles now and in the foreseeable future!
PC-minorities
often generate such "forecasts"!
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Same for Prey in 2017. I mean, compared to PUBG and Horizon Zero dawn in the GOTY contenders of the same year, what a farce in retrospect. BOTW would have still cleaned house but still, not even a nomination.
Half Life Alyx is the best gaming experience I've had in the past 15 years. Not even GOTY contender, it's GOAT.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, Keighley doesn't pick the list. It is the a host of game critics' and reviewers (the same guys whose score become a part of the games' Metacritic scores) that select the GOTY nomination list and the GOTY.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Absolutely.
Prey is in my top 10 of all time.
Alyx, hopefully I will be able to play at some point. No recognition to that is just ridiculous, going by its reception.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Can Sony ponies beat Chinese bots?
CCCP bot farmers when they seen the Pony express
Killjoy-NL
Banned
From wiki:
"The Game Award for Game of the Year is an award presented annually by the Game Awards. It is given to a video game judged to deliver the best experience across creative and technical fields. The award is traditionally accepted by the game's directors or studio executives. The process begins with over 100 video game publications and websites, which collectively name six games as nominees"
The Game Award for Game of the Year - Wikipedia
reinking
Gold Member
Media Companies get paid to write this....
lol keep dreaming
Topher
Identifies as young
Annuals like COD are rarely ever in consideration for GOTY awards. Keighley doesn't get a vote. Below is a link to the "voting jury". They cast ballots and that's who gets in.
Voting Jury | The Game Awards
Meet the distinguished voting jury for The Game Awards
Not saying there is a threshold, but I do think a lot of people will be looking at the game awards sideways if that happens.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Killjoy-NL
Banned
It's about who gets most votes.
Metacritic score is based on a limited pool.
When you get to something like the Game Awards, there is a larger pool of voters picking their favorite game.
At that point, metacritic/opencritic scores fly right out the window, because at the end of the day, review scores mean nothing.
sainraja
Member
While that is true, and this goes for both PS folks and Xbox folks, games don't cease to exist after they have been released. The catalog of titles available for both consoles this holiday is more than just "Indy" and "COD" for those shoppers who wait for holiday sales, etc. Sony had releases earlier in the year while Xbox has had them near the end of the year (not accounting for third-party right now obviously); given the main titles we're highlighting here for MS are Indy and COD, which shows how important getting Activision and Bethesda was.The momentum has put Xbox in front of longtime rival PlayStation. "From a pure content perspective, we must conclude that Microsoft's portfolio is now quite a bit stronger than Sony's,"
Between CoD and Indy, the Xbox brand's holiday content portfolio *is* stronger. You don't really need to be a blue boy or a green bean to see that.
Nowhere in the article does it talk about hardware sales, which most people just reacting off of the headline seem to jump to.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Many of those juries gave the game in question (BM: W) low 8's or high 7's, which makes its inclusion over so many other nominees even more sus.
It's by far and wide the one nominee that stands out, and not in the good way. Personally, I thought Rebirth was highly over rated but it has the critical reception to back it up along with its devoted fanbase, so while I disagree with it being there, there's actual good reasons for it. Can't say the same for BM: W.
reinking
Gold Member
I agree, for this holiday season. I think when it is all said and done, more will purchase and play on PlayStation. Unless it takes off on PC.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Cry more.
I've had one-night stands with 6's and 9's and many 6's were much more enjoyable than the 9's.
Videogames are no different.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not in the habit of fucking video games, but no kink shaming.
But I digress, a 6 wouldn't even be in the discussion for GoTY and if it was, you know some goooooood money had exchanged hands.
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Topher
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Don't really disagree with any of that. It does stand out as an outlier. That's why I think this goes back to its massive popularity on Steam. Obviously that is China driven but much of this seems to be a matter of what was in the public's eye the most in the year. BM:W certainly achieved that.
reinking
Gold Member
Microsoft got to be a $3T company by doing what they have been unable to do in the video game market, EEE.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
You can willfully miss the point, it's not going to change the fact that Indy isn't going to be a nominee at the Game Awards and it probably still wouldn't have won if it was.
Madserb2023
Member
I really think is of no benefit to Xbox. This is a title that will primarily be played through Game Pass on Xbox. Just looking at Steam it is either unpopular or is being primarily being played through Game Pass there. Unless this sells 3 to 4 million on PlayStation then it will likely be a loss. This isn't Call if Duty where it will sell 20 million so who cares where it's played. This is a game that in an alternate timeline would be something that would push console sales if it was an exclusive. I could be wrong and it could sell 7 million on the PlayStation but I doubt it.
sainraja
Member
I know ya'll are just discussing different point of views here. This article in question is just looking at the things that MS is doing well with their portfolio and Game Pass. Some of the moves MS has made is bound to bear fruit; we know they're serious about pushing game pass (so naturally it will affect some sales), so if they can get subscribers, even for a month or two, and they can keep that pattern going, they'll likely consider that a success.
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sainraja
Member
I don't think you get early access with Game Pass though.The game hasn't released yet, only those who have paid for early access, also the game is on game pass.
Xbox winning back mindshare
sainraja
Member
I would add Microsoft and Xbox to that list too.