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Why does everyone HATE Smash Ultimate now?!
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Brain rotted Gen Z and Aplha kids that eventually "Hate" a game if it's not live service with constant weekly updates despite being feature complete and supported for years prior.
World of Light sucked big time.
Easily the worst fanbase of *any* video game.
I think every third-party character on Astro Bot is heavily associated with PlayStation in one way or another.
I know some people bring up Ulala, but even Space Channel 5's latest entry (Kinda Funky News Flash) is heavily associated with PlayStation VR, same thing with Rez.
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Nobody hate it.
But I strongly hate the fact there is no physical COMPLETE AND FINAL version.
But I strongly hate the fact there is no physical COMPLETE AND FINAL version.
Some actual content in the OP would have been nice
"Why do people hate donuts and Pancakes?"
News to me, game is awesome, probably the best in the franchise. If I could post any screenshot from today on a gaming message board 20 years ago it would be this roster, lol
Well no, sales don't tell the whole story, they rarely ever do. But I think the amount of Smash fans who are pro players and upset by some of the changes in Ultimate, aren't a large enough slice of the total customer base to have a material effect on changes for the next game.
UNLESS, Smash is one of those IP where the later casual and mainstream mass-market adoption rates are heavily reliant on early momentum set by hardcore and core enthusiasts (which would include pro players). If so, then lower purchasing rates at launch of the next entry could have a knock-on effect for latter adoption, though maybe in a subdued manner. I just genuinely don't know what percentage of the hardcore Smash fanbase align with pro players and the such on their problems with Ultimate, though.
Also, I do feel Smash is one of those franchises where casual/mainstream attention and those who take to it more as a party game, just treat it like tradition at this point. Kind of like those who always buy COD annually no matter what, or Madden, or FIFA/Football Club etc. Nintendo are probably more interested in appealing to the less hardcore demographic for the IP, but I would agree with the idea that they could balance it out with appeals to hardcore & pro players all the same.
FWIW I don't think Nintendo really ever intends for Smash to be the type of game carried by an active online community. It's not a GAAS, per se, but primarily a traditional game with traditional multiplayer modes and some live service components like the online MP. In that sense it's closer to something like, say, GT7.
The vast bulk of Smash money is made on B2P sales and new character DLCs. And even those jaded by certain aspects of the game are likely to buy the characters, just to see what they're about and build up their collection of fighters for their roster.
Also while not necessarily dinging on playerbase drop-off possibly tied to changes in the game, well, it is the Switch's 8th year on the market. A good chunk of people leaving the game could just be winding down their time on Switch in general as they take to other platforms for the time being, or wait for Switch 2's release and new 1P games with it, like the next Smash Bros.
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There's a certain magic Melee had that the series was never quite able to get back.
And I think one reason is simply... the graphics, Melee looked jaw dropping at the time, it was jaw dropping to see Nintendo characters in that level of fidelity for the first time, every game since then had not been at that cutting edge, so it lacks that real at a glance "wow" factor.
And I think one reason is simply... the graphics, Melee looked jaw dropping at the time, it was jaw dropping to see Nintendo characters in that level of fidelity for the first time, every game since then had not been at that cutting edge, so it lacks that real at a glance "wow" factor.
I don't know, but I have serious complaints about the online being absolutely unplayable for me, it is not just "hard to deal with" it's literally unplayable even in its best conditions. I could deal with broken DLC characters probably if the online wasn't so bad and exploitable which is another complaint, most broken attacks are because they're impossible to react in real time unless you can see the future and play very defensive, which for that I rather just not play at all.
No idea what OP is talking about. I know a few competitive pro players that still play almost daily and love it. The player base is huge.
Nintendo often tries to downplay competitive Smash because they make mad money from both competitive and casual players, but casual players don't stick around like competitive players do, who are going to show up time and time again no matter what. Selling the idea that Smash can be enjoyed by all ages and skill levels is crucial to Nintendo, and the competitive scene can often be intimidating to casuals, especially when they get decimated by hardcore guys. Thing is, that's how 95% of Smash is represented. Any time you watch Smash on YouTube or Twitch, it's going to be one-on-one, flat stages with no items, being played by guys who can combo, edgeguard and spike in their sleep, which typically isn't how casual players play. There's a disconnect between how Nintendo wants Smash to be seen, and how it's actually played in the limelight, and it's been going on forever. Then again, they probably get a lot of sales from guys who don't play Smash competitively, see the massive pro scene, and want to join in. And also, it's more likely than not that the pros are going to be the ones buying every character in the season passes for labbing, replays and whatnot, as opposed to simply dipping for favourites.
Nintendo and the players get what they want at the end of the day I guess, so everyone is (mostly) happy. Smash is almost always a very attractive package to any gamer.
Guys…
You're blaming "the death" of Nintendo's local multiplayer on…the game itself?
GAF will make you feel this way. My suggestion is to fix your algorithm if you see this.
Dunno about anyone else, but I tuned out after slap in the face "random trip " Brawl, so no idea. I just play Melee if I want to enjoy Smash.
I was talking generally about the death of local co-op which I made the point of bolding that part of the posters comment I replied to, not pinning it on this game or any other for that matter. So I don't know if my comment somehow infers I'm criticizing this game for the death of co-op, but that wasn't the intent.Guys…
You're blaming "the death" of Nintendo's local multiplayer on…the game itself?
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Guys…
You're blaming "the death" of Nintendo's local multiplayer on…the game itself?
No I'm just talking about why I personally lost interest in Smash.
Played it with coworkers last week. This video just looks like trash clickbait
metatards is an issue in every game nowadays. I remember playing Chun Li in SF4 online, and she was relatively low tier, and just took every matchup as it came. I ended up getting very good at the idiot Sagat players I encountered even though Sagat was just a vastly superior character in that game.
But nowadays you can go online and see the meta for any game at any moment and people just hew close to that.
You're missing out. The insane roster size and various match ups you can have is something every Smash fan should experience at least once . That's not even including the stellar OST. You should really give it a try, even if you have to sail the high seas.
It isn't about sailing the high seas, it's just I felt after Melee the direction they were taking the game was not the direction I wanted. I think I tried one after Brawl and it just doesn't feel right. Melee feels the tightest. I want an updated Melee, but that exact engine.
But perhaps one day.
Trust me, this game feels the best after Melee. It's definitely not as slow as Brawl and feels tighter than Smash 4...man, the Castlevania rep is dammn near worth it alone (if you like the Castlevania series)
Hope you get to try it out someday
That must have been what I played then, "Smash 4" - after Brawl?Trust me, this game feels the best after Melee. It's definitely not as slow as Brawl and feels tighter than Smash 4...man, the Castlevania rep is dammn near worth it alone (if you like the Castlevania series)
Hope you get to try it out someday
I like hearing that it's tighter. I can't imagine that it's as tight as Melee, but I will give it a try. My daughter likes to play Melee with me, perhaps we will try out the new one sometime for the fun of it. And of course, I love Castlevania.
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Also, it seems like people only real care when new characters are getting revealed, I remember the hype for Brawl for over a year, months and months of people speculating about characters and every new character reveal being a big fucking deal.
Then Brawl actually came out and everyone promptly forgot about it.
Then Brawl actually came out and everyone promptly forgot about it.
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Bro, Brawl will forever be remembered (and loved) for the Subspace Emissary. That, and the introduction of 3rd party characters (and the shitty trpping) will forever cement Brawl in people's memories. No one forgot about Brawl.
Maybe no one forgot, but it's not as legendary as Melee, Brawl is old enough now to be a bit nostalgic to people, but in 2008 pretty much by the end of the year people stopped caring.
To be clear, I LIKE Brawl, but Melee does tower above the others, though what I will say is Brawl is certainly talked about a lot more than 4, but there is a certain "wow" factor that it just never quite got back to after Melee.
Historically accurate.
The reason why I haven't bought Ultimate yet and could not get into Smash 4. I personally couldn't care less about the competitive scene. The multiplayer in Brawl was good enough for casual play locally with friends, which is how I like to play these games anyway.
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People still absolutely love Ultimate especially in casual crowds. I will say competitively there has just been a real issue of balance since Fighter Pass 2. The video does bring this up but dude makes it sound like 80% of the commentary on the game is negative.
Seriously though characters like Steve need to be reexamined thoroughly. Every character doesn't need be an "honest" character like the straight forwardness of Mario to even guys like Ridley. However there is something to be said about the vast options Steve has because his abilities change so much of what the game is.
Seriously though characters like Steve need to be reexamined thoroughly. Every character doesn't need be an "honest" character like the straight forwardness of Mario to even guys like Ridley. However there is something to be said about the vast options Steve has because his abilities change so much of what the game is.
Dacvak
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I used to be huge into the competitive Smash scene (M2K was my roommate for like 3 years), but mostly played Melee. I got a bit into Ultimate, enough to hold my own competitively, but pretty much gave up on trying to keep up with the meta once Steve came out. Well, actually once Dragon Quest dude came out, but Steve really sealed the deal.
Competitive Melee scene was so amazing.. I loved every minute I spent in it so many years ago. Once Brawl came, seemed like things fractured at least around here and other things drew me away for personal reasons as well.
Dacvak
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It really was. I wish my old-ass hands could still move as quickly as when I was 20, though!
I hear you man, it literally hurts to play Melee like it should be played. At least, after some time playing anyway, I can easily play half hour or whatever seriously before problems set in, the game is just so demanding on the hands. But I wouldn't trade those nights in GAWes house before tourneys playing all night for anything. Or any of the other memories.It really was. I wish my old-ass hands could still move as quickly as when I was 20, though!
I just realized what you wrote, you were living with M2K?? lol awesome. I'm not used to seeing that in abbreviated form though, so I glazed over it (expecting "Mew2King" lol) Plenty of practice with many characters!
Sadly I don't think I ever met the guy in person, I played against earlier champions like Ken, Azen, people like that and whatnot, but I think by 2006 I was leaving the scene (again, Brawl came) and I didn't know Mew until later watching the scene.
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Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
He / Him
Yeah haha. We went to college together (and still managed to play like 8 hours of Smash a day). He's a super good dude, and a gigantic pain in the ass to live with. I love him dearly lol.
In all our time living together, and the thousands upon thousands of matches we played I probably only beat him a few dozen times in legit 1v1 matches. He's such a beast.
He's living pretty close to me these days, one day perhaps I can secure a few matches
. All that sounds about what I'd expect honestly (lol). Awesome man!
/v/ was so damn hyped for Brawl, people thought it was going to be the best thing sliced bread... then they just went back to obsessing over Melee.
I feel like it's got one more game in it and where it can go is finally delivering graphics comparable to how groundbreaking Melee looked in 2001, keep in mind the Switch is basically an Xbox 360 in your hands, if the Switch 2 is closer to a PS4, then there's plenty of room for a significant leap graphically.
After that? Whos knows for sure then.
If anything, I don't get the love for Melee. It was my first Smash game, and I genuinely hated it. Played it for a while and never really enjoyed it.
I actually liked Brawl much more. More characters, more casual and party-oriented, a sprawling adventure mode that you could play with friends in some battles.
4 and Ultimate are better. I suck royally at the game, especially since my friends decided they'd go pro and banned items completely. I now have a lifetime hatred for King K. Rool. Still, it's a great game with tons of options. It's just not for me. Everything feels incredibly laggy and stiff for my taste, and the gap between casual and good players is too big to bridge unless you spend a ton of time in it and give literally your all in every match.
I actually liked Brawl much more. More characters, more casual and party-oriented, a sprawling adventure mode that you could play with friends in some battles.
4 and Ultimate are better. I suck royally at the game, especially since my friends decided they'd go pro and banned items completely. I now have a lifetime hatred for King K. Rool. Still, it's a great game with tons of options. It's just not for me. Everything feels incredibly laggy and stiff for my taste, and the gap between casual and good players is too big to bridge unless you spend a ton of time in it and give literally your all in every match.