DirtyBast8rd
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They will gimp the 5090 when the 6090 comes out. No reason multiframe gen can't run on a 4090 when it can run on a 5070.
First RTX 5090 Benchmark: FG vs No FG
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sendit
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Keep living in the past. Tensor cores don't have free real estate on the silicone. Specialized AI hardware is literally giving us exponential increases.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
The game seems to run at over 60fps all the time even with just DLSSQ, that's very impressive. I have similar results, but at 1440p 
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hououinkyouma00
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Luckily latency is harder to notice with controller so it gets masked a bit on console. I assume Reflex can mask a bit of this as well.
llien
Banned
Could I buy TV for FG instead?Most complaints will be by people that will not be buying one.
Or this thing:
New Lossless Scaling 2.9 update introduces 3x Frame Interpolation
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/993090/view/4145080305033108761 Introducing the X3 frame generation mode. LSFG 2.1 can now generate two intermediate frames, effectively tripling the framerate. X3 has increased GPU load by approximately 1.7 times compared to X2 mode. At the same time...
llien
Banned
Let alone, new nudal radioptican neurowave technique for path diffusial reprojection.
Or the new terminator vs CNN/BBC (AMD is just on CNN, Intel also BBC-ed) vs competitors.
//DEVIL//
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From my understanding it's actually a hardware level needed but I could be wrong
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah I couldn't watch the video but it makes sense now
Thebonehead
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TrebleShot
Member
Honestly the new Transformer model for DLSS is the biggest difference here and it's coming to all RTX GPUs making performance mode equivalent to Balanced and I assume Balanced to Quality brings new life to the 40 series.
Also anyone else notice that TERRIBLE ghosting and halo effect on the person on the bike.
Ps love pc centric
Also anyone else notice that TERRIBLE ghosting and halo effect on the person on the bike.
Ps love pc centric
Boss Mog
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I guess in your future, artifacts and ghosting are the new normal. I'd rather play at 60fps with none of those things than 240fps with them.
Nankatsu
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Thebonehead
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PC Gamers live reaction:
Hawking Radiation
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UniformDeliverance
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So I'm getting 100+ additional FPS at the cost of only 13ms of additional latency on-top of the DLSS Quality performance..
That's... I mean dude I used to play on console which was already way above this kind of latency running natively, 13ms is nothing, that's essentially free performance as far as I can tell.
That's an easy yes to toggling that on holy crap.
That's... I mean dude I used to play on console which was already way above this kind of latency running natively, 13ms is nothing, that's essentially free performance as far as I can tell.
That's an easy yes to toggling that on holy crap.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It's 209 fps from around 60fps using dlss quality.
Jinzo Prime
Member
The AI model is coming to the 4090. If you can get one, go for it; the 5090 isn't amazing for anything other than AI workloads and raytracing. 6000 series is going to be good.
DirtInUrEye
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mclaren777
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I don't understand how native rendering can have more latency than frame gen.
Buggy Loop
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Knightime_X
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Just don't use path tracing.
Path tracing offers low fps for trivial lighting vs ray tracing.
25fps with path tracing or 90 fps+ with ray tracing and no dlss4
IMO that extra shade you can't see 85% of the time isn't worth the loss of 50+ fps
Path tracing offers low fps for trivial lighting vs ray tracing.
25fps with path tracing or 90 fps+ with ray tracing and no dlss4
IMO that extra shade you can't see 85% of the time isn't worth the loss of 50+ fps
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sendit
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llien
Banned
Actually, the perf could have been deducted without even checking benchmarks.
Mr Huang J. has clearly stated: "The More You Pay...".
That approach had been very consistent. Any major perf bump came with proportional $$$ bump, keeping perf/$ constant.
Half a tier upgrades, like "supers" were coming with a bit better perf/$.
And we can see that with 5000 series:
5090 - full tier buff, +$400 MSRP
5080/5070Ti/5070 - half a tier or lower buff, but a bit better perf/$ than last gen
On top of it, Lord is giving us FG with more Fs.
What is there to b*tch about, b*tches?
Buggy Loop
apparently wanted to open a thread highlighting the difference between RT cores (found even in oldies like 2060) and PT cores: new, groundbreaking tech from the recent developments.
But hater f*cks from that A-company fanbase frustrated him so much, he decided not to bother.
Mr Huang J. has clearly stated: "The More You Pay...".
That approach had been very consistent. Any major perf bump came with proportional $$$ bump, keeping perf/$ constant.
Half a tier upgrades, like "supers" were coming with a bit better perf/$.
And we can see that with 5000 series:
5090 - full tier buff, +$400 MSRP
5080/5070Ti/5070 - half a tier or lower buff, but a bit better perf/$ than last gen
On top of it, Lord is giving us FG with more Fs.
What is there to b*tch about, b*tches?
Buggy Loop
apparently wanted to open a thread highlighting the difference between RT cores (found even in oldies like 2060) and PT cores: new, groundbreaking tech from the recent developments.But hater f*cks from that A-company fanbase frustrated him so much, he decided not to bother.
Knightime_X
Member
ngl a little bit of each.
Did you read the thread, see the video or just decide to post first?
I still stand that path tracing isn't all that worth it if you're not going to use dlss4
DirtInUrEye
Member
Path tracing is transformative in something like Indiana Jones and imo worth the extreme hit to performance. I couldn't imagine playing without it, as I greatly appreciated the serious enhancement to the game's visuals. 60fps with PT in a single player experience is my preference over 100+ fps without it, without a doubt.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
Everything depends on the settings. In black myth wukong full PT tanks performance, but medium PT still looks very good and runs comparable to lumen (at least on my PC). I get 123fps with medium PT and 127 with with lumen. In my case it doesnt make sense to turn off PT.
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Knightime_X
Member
My thoughts exactly.
A lot of times "ultra" looks practically the same as high and in some cases medium.
But not everyone thinks like that.
It's either ultra or nothing.
So in that sense, if ultra pt isn't an option for them, then just go with rt ultra.
As for me, if dlss4 lets me get away with pt ultra and I get very satisfying frame rates, you can bet my sweet ass I'm going to take FULL advantage of it.
CuNi
Member
I think people will get disappointed when 6000-Series gets announced.
The way I see it, more and more die-space will go towards Ray/Path-Tracing and AI Hardware and less and less space towards raster.
With the tech now, Nvidia has no incentive to push raster performance by 50% or anything crazy like that ever again because they don't care about native performance anymore, especially at 4k.
DLSS is there to lower the needed brute-force (raster) power and then frame gen will boost the FPS even further with Reflex lowering input latency.
I am fairly confident that 6000-Series will only be about a 20-25% increase as well as more and more die-space will be used for Tensor and CUDA-Cores to boost Raytracing and Pathtrycing performance instead of raster.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
People may hate on Nvidia for their pricing, but you can clearly see they are putting a lot of effort into features and advancing their systems.
I think if the results show across the board, these are some pretty great advancements. And if their hardware actually performs with them dropping the price, and all this is to be determined, then you have to give them a little bit of credit.
If it wasn't for the pricing of last generation and obviously they're high-end being really expensive, I don't think people would be bitching as much.
This isn't like Intel sitting on their hands and AMD coming along and eating their lunch, deservingly so. Nvidia continues to innovate and advance their strengths and I cannot recommend something else especially if price isn't as much of an issue versus wanting the best quality and features of your gpu. I can say all that and still give AMD credit for the strides they are making but Nvidia is the best and for many reasons.
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I have some opinions regarding cyberpunk and it's dlss 3 implementation. I liked it but I did not like the smear I noticed on text specifically. Maybe it's the neon nature and the coloring or the way the game handles things but that's one of the main reasons I turned off frame generation and just went with standard dlss 2. And that game is a showcase and runs incredible on the hardware that I have, as it should. I have used frame generation in other games and I believe in plague tail requiem it ran great and I had no complaints. Of course you can zoom your camera in and somebody with microscopic analyzers will call it all out but if I barely notice it and I look at this stuff all the time, the regular consumer won't give a damn. And as long as latency is kept in check, and it seems like Nvidia is doing amazing strides in this department, then whether people like it or not we have some cool hardware advancements if you want to spend the money on the newest generation stuff.
I'm actually going to echo what I said coming into the PS5 generation and say that this is the only one of the most interesting times in hardware and graphical advancements since the Advent of 3d. I think there is some cool new technology and both software and hardware are really pushing this kind of stuff. I think the AI boom has clearly had an impact but right now I really am liking some of the things we are seeing.
On the back end when it comes to developing games, I do hope developers continue to make strides and efficiency and getting the most out of the hardware without using artificial intelligence. Or using it in a smart way to offload rendering or do jobs that are traditionally handled in certain ways but changing it to reduce overhead. So if we can get AI to work not on producing fake frames but making something more efficient versus allowing the hardware to handle it, I think we may have something.
Even if it requires a separate chip or an additional thing on the motherboard to do this, I'm all about spreading the load and not straining the main processors as much. It's kind of like having a dedicated graphics card to handle all the graphics versus onboard. You're not just straining the CPU and everything on the SOC and can offload intensive tasks to a dedicated card. I think we are in for an interesting time if developers and hardware manufacturers can figure out the way to implement some things and take the strain off where games actually feel more optimized without requiring ai.
But as you can read for most of my post, I fully embrace this and I don't criticize it. I just want developers and creators to figure out ways to optimize it more that way we can say we can run cyberpunk native or a path race game similar to Black myth, at at least 60 frames native and shooting up to three or 400 frames with all the bells and whistles of ai. Maybe one day we could be there.
I think if the results show across the board, these are some pretty great advancements. And if their hardware actually performs with them dropping the price, and all this is to be determined, then you have to give them a little bit of credit.
If it wasn't for the pricing of last generation and obviously they're high-end being really expensive, I don't think people would be bitching as much.
This isn't like Intel sitting on their hands and AMD coming along and eating their lunch, deservingly so. Nvidia continues to innovate and advance their strengths and I cannot recommend something else especially if price isn't as much of an issue versus wanting the best quality and features of your gpu. I can say all that and still give AMD credit for the strides they are making but Nvidia is the best and for many reasons.
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I have some opinions regarding cyberpunk and it's dlss 3 implementation. I liked it but I did not like the smear I noticed on text specifically. Maybe it's the neon nature and the coloring or the way the game handles things but that's one of the main reasons I turned off frame generation and just went with standard dlss 2. And that game is a showcase and runs incredible on the hardware that I have, as it should. I have used frame generation in other games and I believe in plague tail requiem it ran great and I had no complaints. Of course you can zoom your camera in and somebody with microscopic analyzers will call it all out but if I barely notice it and I look at this stuff all the time, the regular consumer won't give a damn. And as long as latency is kept in check, and it seems like Nvidia is doing amazing strides in this department, then whether people like it or not we have some cool hardware advancements if you want to spend the money on the newest generation stuff.
I'm actually going to echo what I said coming into the PS5 generation and say that this is the only one of the most interesting times in hardware and graphical advancements since the Advent of 3d. I think there is some cool new technology and both software and hardware are really pushing this kind of stuff. I think the AI boom has clearly had an impact but right now I really am liking some of the things we are seeing.
On the back end when it comes to developing games, I do hope developers continue to make strides and efficiency and getting the most out of the hardware without using artificial intelligence. Or using it in a smart way to offload rendering or do jobs that are traditionally handled in certain ways but changing it to reduce overhead. So if we can get AI to work not on producing fake frames but making something more efficient versus allowing the hardware to handle it, I think we may have something.
Even if it requires a separate chip or an additional thing on the motherboard to do this, I'm all about spreading the load and not straining the main processors as much. It's kind of like having a dedicated graphics card to handle all the graphics versus onboard. You're not just straining the CPU and everything on the SOC and can offload intensive tasks to a dedicated card. I think we are in for an interesting time if developers and hardware manufacturers can figure out the way to implement some things and take the strain off where games actually feel more optimized without requiring ai.
But as you can read for most of my post, I fully embrace this and I don't criticize it. I just want developers and creators to figure out ways to optimize it more that way we can say we can run cyberpunk native or a path race game similar to Black myth, at at least 60 frames native and shooting up to three or 400 frames with all the bells and whistles of ai. Maybe one day we could be there.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But Lossless scaling can be updated.
Unluckily it is not harder to notice, consoles supports M+kb on some games, and Reflex doesn't mask anything as it literally reduces latency.
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MikeM
Member
I don't disagree. I can see raster stagnation but continue large leaps with AI and RT perf. I wonder if there will be ramifications with old games.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
But that is amazing performance.
Schmendrick
Member
Without looking at the hardware and power draw numbers, yes.
If you figure those in there really isn`t much progress on architectural level over ADA. This gen seriously is just about bruteforcing it for the 90 and faking it on anything below with MFG. The classic scaling and node shrink gains per gen-timeframe we´re used to are completely absent.....Moore`s law is currently dead.
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Boss Mog
Member
Not really. It's basically just a 4090 Ti. They increased Cuda cores by 30% and power draw by 30% and got a 30% boost. Nothing special about that. A new architecture is supposed to bring performance gains on it's own, while actually trying to keep power draw the same or even reduce it.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Couldn't disagree more. Path tracing is an absolute game changer and completely transformers the look of the game. Most recent example is Indiana Jones, where it's literally a generational leap.
SonGoku
Member
Nah at 4k Path Tracing is definitely worth to run even at DLSS performance it will provide a better presentation than 4k native with no path tracing