fart town usa
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Depends really. If you go in expecting the clarity of a flat image and straight up realism, you're going to be disappointed.
If you go in expecting to be inside a videogame world, it's dope as hell more often than not.
It Might Be Time to Admit the Great VR Experiment Has Failed - HowToGeek
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If you go in expecting to be inside a videogame world, it's dope as hell more often than not.
Gambit2483
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Q: How to "fix" the VR "issue"?
A: Make it affordable to the mass market.
A: Make it affordable to the mass market.
BackBackPunch
Member
Nah. First you actually need killer games/apps. The vast majority of VR software is garbage, and I say that as someone who has owned 3 VR headsets over the past 10 years.
AtomicStarving
Member
Gaming side? Yeah. Adult content? No
clem84
Gold Member
Honestly this seems pretty great. For me the main issue has always been comfort. If the PS VR2 would be redesigned into something of that size, it would be an absolute game changer.Would you say once it gets the size of the MeganeX or Bigscreen Beyond, with the price of a Meta Quest 3 make you use them more often? Or it needs to get smaller?
PSVR2 is a great piece of technology. I have one, and I enjoyed it using on Gt7 and RE.
The problem with PSVR2, is there are a few AAA titles. GT7 and RE are good, and also Metro, Alien and No Mans Sky. But Halflife Alyx could have help drive PSVR2 sales up. And it is expensive and there are a few who are having physical issues on VR. There are still some, who throw up and having nausea.
The problem with PSVR2, is there are a few AAA titles. GT7 and RE are good, and also Metro, Alien and No Mans Sky. But Halflife Alyx could have help drive PSVR2 sales up. And it is expensive and there are a few who are having physical issues on VR. There are still some, who throw up and having nausea.
AlphaMale
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I love VR, but I can see the hurdles it faces. For instance, there's no good way to fully move in VR. I don't love teleport moving, but that's the best we can do right now.
That said, it's not the same fad level as 3D displays were. Unless someone invents something that can tap directly into your cerebral cortex, right now, there isn't anything that can surpass AR/VR.
I think it can be made smaller, lighter, increased peripheral vision, cheaper, and minimize dizziness....so there's still room for AR/VR to keep improving.
That said, it's not the same fad level as 3D displays were. Unless someone invents something that can tap directly into your cerebral cortex, right now, there isn't anything that can surpass AR/VR.
I think it can be made smaller, lighter, increased peripheral vision, cheaper, and minimize dizziness....so there's still room for AR/VR to keep improving.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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It’s good enough for me. All the rest of it is the same hardware power wise so it plays the same games just as well. If it’s your only VR and you plan to use it a few hours a week, I’d get the Quest 3. I just got the 3s cause it’s my secondary VR headset and I mainly just use it for quest exclusives and workout apps.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I enjoy teleport moving, even though I use stick for a lot of games.
Alyx for instance just feels right with teleport; I don't even change it to stick after they added the option.
One thing I'll push back on: the notion that stick movement is "natural" in any way as a control in gaming is just a historical accident of the medium. It's still very unnatural to glide a character around in a world based on your thumb in any game... it's just a convention that took over the medium so we expect it now. Once I put that idea aside, teleport (plus freely moving in your real guardian space of a few feet, between teleports) actually feels like as reasonable a solution to video game locomotion as anything.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
The Quest 3s with Batman packed in for $300 is about as affordable for the mass market as you can get.
Gambit2483
Member
True, but you can at least "trick" the mass market into buying in, to get the install base numbers up and the efforts and budgets of forthcoming games to increase...
nemiroff
Gold Member
Indeed.
Anyway, it's funny; I'm arguably one of the biggest VR fans around - But I don't play VR games...
...I play flight simulators, space and racing games in VR mode.
(Of course there's a few exceptions, like Alyx and Beat Saber)
Disco Dave
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We have a PS5, Switch and a Quest 3s. My son predominantly plays Gorilla Tag on the Quest.
The developer of Gorilla Tag, Another Axiom, that as of late 2024, the game has around 1 million daily active users -
www.uploadvr.com
The developer of Gorilla Tag, Another Axiom, that as of late 2024, the game has around 1 million daily active users -
Gorilla Tag Has 1 Million Daily & 3 Million Monthly Active Players, $100 Million Revenue
Gorilla Tag has reached over 1 million daily players, 3 million monthly players, and $100 million total revenue.
www.uploadvr.com
BackBackPunch
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Well, as of 2023 there were something like 20 million Quest headsets sold, which should be plenty of install base. But I'd argue that a lot of the "big budget" games they've released have still been crap. Lots will disagree with me, but I thought the Quest Assasins Creed game was subpar. I didn't think being in the VR environment offered any additional benefit over just playing the standard 2D games. It's just more physically tiring for the same end result.True, but you can at least "trick" the mass market into buying in, to get the install base numbers up and the efforts and budgets of forthcoming games to increase...
DirtInUrEye
Member
Daft false equivalence there, but if you don't think these devices will exist in years to come you're unusually pea brained for someone who presumably follows hardware tech.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's interesting because the thing that makes VR a sort of jaw dropping experience is the same thing that more likely than not will forever limit it's adoption, it's immersive qualities. That same quality that makes it a one of a kind experience also just inherently makes it more "hardcore."
Gambit2483
Member
Meta/Quest, as much as it has accomplished, isn't mass market.
Sony, Nintendo, and (once upon a time) Xbox are "Mass Market" when it comes to videogames...
metareferential
Member
Article: "stop having fun!".
Nope.
Nope.
Icymanipulator
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The resolution and graphical quality are really not there yet. They should have waited another 5-10 years. I have a PSVR2, and it’s really cool but other than Gran Turismo 7, (and maybe No Man’s Sky) it doesn’t see much use. Granted GT7 with a VR headset is absolutely insane, it’s still only 1 game. Most other games just don’t feel like full, long experiences imo.
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fastest finger
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Still playing in VR, looking forward to some great VR titles still to come.
For a format that’s apparently been dying for almost a decade, it sure is hanging around.
For a format that’s apparently been dying for almost a decade, it sure is hanging around.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Will they?? Maybe. But why should I wait if I can experience almost the same thing right now??
Hero of Spielberg
Member
Yeah, pretty much needs to be as light as a pair of glasses or ski goggles at least before mainstream adoption is a reality.
Fbh
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The quest 3S is $300 (usually comes with a game too) and works as a standalone device that doesn't need a console or PC to work.
Despite making some headlines about how well it was supposedly selling, it apparently wasn't enough to make the VR market appealing to more devs.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if most Quest 2/3 owners just buy Beat Saber and maybe 1-2 other games and just call it a day.
It could be facing a similar issue to the Wii, where you have sold a lot of hardware but a big chunk of your audience is ok just owning Wii Sports and maaaybe Mario Kart.
MiguelItUp
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I think VR is neat, but there are still so many people that aren't interested because they either don't want to pay the price, only interested in a handful of games, or they physically cannot handle it without getting sick. Or all the above. I don't think that's going to change for a lot of people.
But to say it has "failed" is a bit overdramatic.
But to say it has "failed" is a bit overdramatic.
AlphaMale
Member
I totally agree. The best applications for VR (right now) are Racing games and Flight sims. Or, I guess, any game where you're meant to sit in a cockpit...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Who is so weak that can't stand the weight of a Quest??? People that barely eat???
XXL
Gold Member
I think Horror and Adventure games (Red Matter, etc) are also best suited for VR as well.
DirtInUrEye
Member
Hero of Spielberg
Member
It just gets uncomfortable after a while. Even with a custom strap it's not really comfortable to wear for more than half an hour or so, plus battery life won;t last much past that.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I can wear it for hours and have battery pack extension.
ETS2 / ATS, assetto corsa, onward, and flight simulator are the only VR games worth it to me. onward sadly lost its way the original dev sold out to meta and they cornified it downgrading so they could sell more quest headsets. disgusting quite honestly.
beat sabre is cringey trash. i see carmacks point, but being based on music, that adds a real subjective nature to it. his arguments are based on a business/ adoption perspective, not fun and enjoyment.
beat sabre is cringey trash. i see carmacks point, but being based on music, that adds a real subjective nature to it. his arguments are based on a business/ adoption perspective, not fun and enjoyment.
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Hero of Spielberg
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Guess most people lack your strength!
Gambit2483
Member
I love Batman. You love Batman. But Batman alone cannot save/revive the VR Market...(you know this to be true)
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Unrelated to your joke: it's strange how useless Microsoft has been on VR.
Remember how much they hyped AR with the absurd Minecraft demo? They released a half-baked Minecraft VR at one point, and the community eventually made Vivecraft to implement it themselves since the official one was so poor. Plus they never supported it.
The irony is that right now would be the perfect time to make a ton of cash with an official Minecraft VR port on Quest. Kids spend so many hours playing multiplayer games like Gorilla Tag, and an instantly available, easy to join official Quest Minecraft (*there is a mod, but hard to set up and very unstable at times) would be a huge hit. Tons of the kids playing with friends today would jump on there, easy truckloads of cash that MS can't make because as usual they're inept.
MS went the greedy, money hungry route with hololens and tried to get government contracts with it, an amazing embarrassment which they possibly will never recover from, morally speaking (financially they lost about 5 billion according to google). Microsoft never makes moves with honest, good intentions, they are an evil empire too large for their own good, any lasting contributions to gaming are far and few between, and just by chance, a side effect from their policy of monopolization and corporate greed.
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Wonko_C
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I fear for the coming generations. I am 45, have type 2 diabetes, every few years my ciatica leaves me completely unable to move from my bed for a few weeks at a time, yet playing something like Pistol Whip or C-Smash VRs or Beat Saber on Expert on my Quest 2 until the battery runs out is not a rare occurence, and it's also not this gargantuan effort that leaves me drenched in sweat (I have LesMills Body Combat 30 min sessions for that), if anything I think it has improved my bad back.
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delirium trigger
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VR is the future it's just too early right now for the average joe to get on board.
I'd never have the balls to put a vr headset on during flight but in 30 years the whole plane will be wearing some sort of vr glasses.
I'd never have the balls to put a vr headset on during flight but in 30 years the whole plane will be wearing some sort of vr glasses.
Hero of Spielberg
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I do some work with a pain institution in Australia and one of the things they say is actually being active is one of the best ways to overcome chronic pain, rather than depending on pain killers, avoiding movement, etc.
So sounds like you;re on the right track!
Wonko_C
Member
This. People who mock the saying "X is the future" need to grab a dictionary and look up the word "future".
CitizenKratos
Member
More FUD from the competitors of VR.
No. It hasn’t failed.
No. It hasn’t failed.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
vR will be persistent and continue to exist despite it's calls for failure.
It will continue to trickle and sell and it hasn't even had its real breakout mass market hit yet.
I got a Quest 3 and will be keeping it long term. I don't touch it everyday but it's awesome for the price. Got it decked out with Bobo accessories as well.
And they will always have that holiday boom where they sell millions and continue to add to the install base.
Meta needs major credit for taking a hit to push it this hard.
It will continue to trickle and sell and it hasn't even had its real breakout mass market hit yet.
I got a Quest 3 and will be keeping it long term. I don't touch it everyday but it's awesome for the price. Got it decked out with Bobo accessories as well.
And they will always have that holiday boom where they sell millions and continue to add to the install base.
Meta needs major credit for taking a hit to push it this hard.
Crayon
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I think it's great, actually. But it gets way over-valued. Some of the most amazing vr games are RE ports and they don't bother with it at all. And it's fine! I guess some people are going to miss it, but if that was the sort of thing that was going to stop a project from getting off the ground, it would be a tragedy.
Early when the vr hype session was peak, there were some people (and some I really trusted) saying that it was imperative vr games be designed specifically for vr. After years as an owner and user, I have to call big bs on all that. GT7, Skyrim, and RE have been some of the best vr games. Astrobot was able to be done flat screen just fine despite being a great example of what vr could bring.
I'm getting all wound up lol. I actually have a file with some notes on all of this because I have a game dev friend who is a big fan of vr and I want to see if he is willing to do some experiments with modding some existing games.