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[Buggy Loop]

You can't compare the PS2's proprietary CPU or GPU to any other CPU or GPU meaningfully because they don't work in the same way.

There's almost nothing proprietary from PS4 onward. Long gone the "cell" Kutaragi experiments.

The 4 core version that was released in Kabini, Athlon 5370 / 5350 / Sempron 3850 and found its way into a bunch of $200 chromebooks



Even the 2008 Intel Q6600 had better IPC.

Or the very similar Xbox die released on PC, AMD A9-9820 which has 8 jaguar cores.

It has been benched of course.

AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294



We know pretty much all of AMD's CPU IPC in that era, which was at the company's lowest point, almost bankrupted until they scored the console contracts. The config changes but the IPC is pretty much always in the same ballpark. And it took a long time until AMD got out of that ditch. Zen to be specific.

PS4's GPU is basically an HD7870 ~HD7890

 

[Kataploom]

Nintendo fans truly are the most happy go lucky fans out there. You can give them 1080p/30FPS titles that look at least about a generation old and they'll still find some value in them for years to come and the product(s) will still ship millions.

The complete opposite of a PC gamer, who'll whinge incessantly for weeks and complain about a dying industry and falling standards if something isn't running at 4K/480FPS.

If anything PC is all about flexibility, not power, power is just one of the many options. I know because I'm a PC+Nintendo gamer, and I don't even have a top of the line PC

 

[Jesb]

You know it's shit when they never post specs. It's like the job ad that doesn't post salary because it pays dog shit.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

You know it's shit when they never post specs. It's like the job ad that doesn't post salary because it pays dog shit.

The specs for a Nintendo Systems are like the points on Whose Line...they don't matter. We know what the system will do in a real world setting and that's all that matters. And why would they release the specs. Cui Bono from specs before gameplay?

 

[Idleyes]

So, the Switch 2 will essentially match the power of Microsoft's and Sony's previous generation consoles, like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

 

[awwr999999]

It has been benched of course.

When we're assessing game console HW the only benchmarks that matter are gameplay and gamelook.
Gameplay isn't FPS but a combination of factors (load time, input latency, controls (and HW controller), frame rate (consistency and FPS).
Gamelook (the way games look on a console) has less to do with resolution specs and more to do with aesthetics and functionality.

The specs for a Nintendo Systems are like the points on Whose Line...they don't matter. We know what the system will do in a real world setting and that's all that matters. And why would they release the specs. Cui Bono from specs before gameplay?

Nintendo could have gone further and not used GB as a metric for explaining storage capacity.
"Holds 10-15 games" would sound better than "120GB storage" and serve to further differentiate a game console from a PC.

 

[Dorfdad]

What helped me alot with the switch on a 4k screen was the Marseille mClassic Pixel Enhancer.

If switch 2 is hdmi 2.1 I'll buy the updated version for it day 0

funny you mention that as mine just arrived in the mail! I got the classic and the photoFast 1080p to 4K I heard there is a way to hook them together and get a clean near 4k experience. Just need to fiddle out the proper order to hook them up

 

[GigaBowser]

So, the Switch 2 will essentially match the power of Microsoft's and Sony's previous generation consoles, like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

games will look waaaaaaay better thens steam deck becuase dedircated annnnnnnd dlss

 

[kevboard]

So, the Switch 2 will essentially match the power of Microsoft's and Sony's previous generation consoles, like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

well in some ways it will be worse, in others it will be very similar, and in others still it will be much better (the CPU will probably wipe the floor with the Jaguar CPU of the last gen systems)

it will probably struggle with raw compute power (at least in portable mode), but can make a lot of it back up due to the more modern hardware and features like DLSS. So lower internal resolutions, especially in portable mode, should be expected... but DLSS could close the gap visually.
it will probably have similar looking games overall, but with some modern extras thrown in (raytracing for example). So modern games like Indiana Jones could run on Switch 2, but not on last gen consoles. It would look very much last gen however probably.
and due to the better CPU and more modern GPU it will probably be able to run games that last gen consoles would struggle with. Like FlightSim is rumored to be ported to it, and that game would make the Jaguar CPUs of last gen consoles explode upon launch probably. the aforementioned Indiana Jones would also just not run on last gen as it is build around RT Global Illumination with no non-RT fallback in place. Alan Wake 2 would also not work on last gen, as those consoles had absolutely zero Mesh Shader support, which is necessary for the game to work properly.

 

[Imtjnotu]

funny you mention that as mine just arrived in the mail! I got the classic and the photoFast 1080p to 4K I heard there is a way to hook them together and get a clean near 4k experience. Just need to fiddle out the proper order to hook them up

It's goes Dock - - - > pixel enhancer - - - > photoFast - - - >hdmi to TV

 

[Dorfdad]

It's goes Dock - - - > pixel enhancer - - - > photoFast - - - >hdmi to TV

What setting or levels you suggest on each device?

 

[Sid91]

games will look waaaaaaay better thens steam deck becuase dedircated annnnnnnd dlss

LMFAO

 

[Mozza]

a Nintendo console way underpowered for the time and priced high as the moderns ones.

And also pretend to be shocked when it outsells them all without a significant price cut, as nobody outside the core miorities even cares if this is true or not. Or that any of this is being discussed on niche internet forums or YouTube channels.

 

[CityHunter1981]

Everyone who expected more is crazy. It was clear from the beginning that they aim very low.

And I think it's the right call from a business perspective. Think how many percent of the Switch audience are children and children need to depend on their parents to buy Switch 2 as a Christmas or Birthday present, so it's very important for Nintendo that they can offer the system for a price, where it is still suitable as a present.

 

[Mozza]

Found this channel, this sounds positive for the Switch 2.

 

[Three]

30W for the whole system is a lot different from 30W for GPU alone (which is what 2050 is rated on, with 3050 going up to 45W). On x86 handhelds - 30W APU draw usually means 45-50W for the system, and that's also not just GPU TDP.

And how to dissipate 60W from a shell that small I have no idea - but I guess we'll need to see the teardown on how the cooling works.
Worth noting that 60W power draw would be pretty unprecedented in Nintendo history - at least as far back as the N64, they never had a console that drew more than 40W afaik.

The leaked dock has Switch 2 at 42W I believe. Portable of course would likely be much less.

 

[Three]

we don't know the TDP in docked mode. could be 30W or 60W, or anything in-between.

if the dock has indeed a fan inside, it would suggest they will run it as fast as their cooling system allows.

 

[Onironauta]

I still think GPU performance will be roughly inline with the Xbox One. Just with more RAM, better CPU, better storage, and modern GPU feature set. Docked will be better than PS4 but not at the PS4 Pro level.

Probably true, but AI upscaling should allow Switch 2 to punch above its weight

 

[Darchaos]

Nintendo fans wouldnt even care if Nintendo stopped releasing consoles, they would just continue to happily buy the same kind of games every 3rd year or so on current console.

 

[FireFly]

That's the total power consumption of the dock, including (fast?) charging. It doesn't tell us how much power is allocated to the SoC.

 

[Three]

That's the total power consumption of the dock, including (fast?) charging. It doesn't tell us how much power is allocated to the SoC.

Yes exactly. So how would it reach 60W when the output is 42W max for the entire thing?

 

[SweetTooth]

Like PS4 pro owners did?

When was that? Tech advances you know... Oh forget about it, you are a Nintendo fan, usually a decade behind.

 

[bender]

Yes exactly. So how would it reach 60W when the output is 42W max for the entire thing?

It's using NVidia's new PowerGen technology which uses AI to increase wattage output.

 

[awwr999999]

Nintendo fans wouldnt even care if Nintendo stopped releasing consoles, they would just continue to happily buy the same kind of games every 3rd year or so on current console.

This is 100% accurate and users with working consoles generally don't want to buy new consoles, period.
The future of gaming (where PC/Steam and Android/Mobile have been since day one) is sticking to the same console for as long as possible while buying new controller HW and accessories.
Both PlayStation and Nintendo have to move to Steam's digital-only endless generation model to stay competitive.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I really hope you are correct... this kind of innovation would make this by FAR the most must-buy Mario Kart since 64 (for me).

This thread in hindsight is hilarious!!!!!!

 

[AMSCD]

Seems stronger than a 3050

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Seems stronger than a 3050

I just wanna see if anyone comes back to this thread to own up and eat crow from their horseshit.

 

[Woopah]

Aawww so cute

Again the tech illiterate thinks he understand anything from that video

Literally the leak from a week ago for GPU you dum dum

@ 561 MHz the 1.72 teraflops is higher than steam deck and with architecture difference much better than PS4 base's 1.84TFlops because it can't even do raster and compute concurrently.

Nothing changes since. Nothing from any speculations so far has changed from the 2022 leaks. Everything I said in that thread still holds and DF just reinforces the data we already know on the architecture.

AMD A9-9820 - Xbox One APU - Jaguar @2.35GHz - 294
IPC interpolation means
PS4 - Jaguar @1.6GHz - 200
PS4 Pro - Jaguar @ 2.13GHz = 266

A 3GHz A78 single core performance
Mediatek Dimensity 1200 - A78 @3GHz - 975
Switch 2 A78 @ 1GHz = 325

It would have to downclock to 615 MHz to match Jaguar PS4's 1.6GHz score. for single instructions per clock

You're telling me that the rumoured clock from DF at ~1GHz will make its IPC 1.63x better CPU than Jaguar in PS4 base and 1.22x PS4 Pro's jaguar clocks?

I'm sorry you don't understand these things James

Still the same thing as 2022. Like @Zacfoldor said, this is fucking groundhog day

~PS4 base TFlops in HANDHELD with much better modern features

• A78 ARM CPUs. As shown above, IPC destroying Jaguar CPU and A78C which is the cluster for 8 cores is a special one for bigger L3 cache and better gaming performances. On top of these CPUs being optimized for AI.
• 12 GB vs 8GB.
• UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
• New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
• RT cores & ML tensor cores. ~100-125 TOPs with Tegra Orin's DLA. Which their "2050" doesn't have.
• Ada's gating backported (again from DF) which better optimizes the SMs for better occupancy.

~3.1 TFlops as per DF's docked 1GHz clocks

Again, since you've been triggered with Nintendo switch rumours, I've been CONSTANT, Jan 7, Jan 9. I predicted 3TFlops in one, 3.2TFlops in another.

On top of avoiding stupid mistakes like PC handhelds like Asus Rog ally, chocking 8.6 TFlops with 102GB/s memory banwidth. Switch 2 has that bandwidth for 3.1TFlops. Feeding the usual Nvidia ampere 25GB/s TFLops & ~25GB/s remaining for CPU.

Handheld 1.7 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 67.5 GB/s → OH look, DF puts 68.26 GB/s
Handheld 3.1 TFlops * 25 + ~25GB/s for CPU = 102.5 GB/s → OH look! DF puts 102.4 GB/s

You want more examples of Ampere ~25GB/s per TFlops? Its really basic knowledge

3060 @ 12.74 TFlops for 360 GB/s → 28.25 GB/s/TFlops
3070 @ 20.31 TFlops for 448 GB/s → 22.1 GB/s/TFlops
3080 @ 29.77 TFlops for 760 GB/s → 25.5 GB/s/TFlops
3090 @ 35.58 TFlops for 936 GB/s → 26.3 GB/s/TFlops

wow

Oh look, we had this conversation!

And DF confirms exactly the design.


If you could actually have better reading comprehension than my 6 years old daughter, we wouldn't have this fucking groundhog day over and over

Can't wait for your illiteracy to be on full display once the specs are revealed




TLDR:

I need to know who won the epic duel.

 

[Muddy]

Why does it seem like 85% of this forum fail to grasp that the Switch 2 is supposed to be an affordably priced tablet with a 15w power budget?

 

[LordOcidax]

I just wanna see if anyone comes back to this thread to own up and eat crow from their horseshit.

Some are radio silent and the others are occupied moving the goalpost and some still in denial mode…I remember a lot of people laughing when some of us said that the Switch 2 was going to be capable to run Cyberpunk.

 

[mitch1971]

I might go back in time and buy one.

 

[Hohenheim]

The less you know about the hardware in this thing, the better. Only makes you depressed.

For sure!
I don't want to know anything about this shit, and just enjoy those Nintendo exclusives while trying to forget the cost of this thing!

 

[Mr Moose]

Seems stronger than a 3050

Does it?

 

[IDKFA]

Does it?

Did you see the Cyberpunk trailer?

Looks like a 3070 minimum to me. Looks way more powerful than a PS4 anyway.

Shame about the cost, but oh well.

 

[Muddy]

Did you see the Cyberpunk trailer?

Looks like a 3070 minimum to me. Looks way more powerful than a PS4 anyway.

Shame about the cost, but oh well.

3070?

So the Switch 2 is more powerful than a PS5 and dare I say a PS5 Pro.

Incredible considering it does all that in a small form factor and 15W power.

Incredible isn't the right word. Impossible more like it in 2025.

 

[EruditeHobo]

This thread in hindsight is hilarious!!!!!!

They delivered way better than I thought they would, no question.

But... to be fair, there are a number of cross-gen titles as I pretty plainly suggested there would be, and cross-gen doesn't seem to be disappearing for the foreseeable future. Like everyone else, they are clearly invested in their ecosystem, and that means no real hard stops on generations.

Re-releasing games with updates, like they seem to be doing with many titles, is something Sony consistently gets murdered for around here.

Mario Kart does look fucking awesome though, no doubt about that. And I'm very happy I waited to play TotK. Will probably get to that next year, the way Switch 2 is looking.

 

[IDKFA]

3070?

So the Switch 2 is more powerful than a PS5 and dare I say a PS5 Pro.

Incredible considering it does all that is a small form factor and 15W power.

Incredible isn't the right word. Impossible more like it in 2025.

Nintendo magic?

 

[Kataploom]

Seems stronger than a 3050

It's stronger than many think but I don't think that much strong lol

 

[Soapbox Killer]

They delivered way better than I thought they would, no question.

But... to be fair, there are a number of cross-gen titles as I pretty plainly suggested there would be, and cross-gen doesn't seem to be disappearing for the foreseeable future. Like everyone else, they are clearly invested in their ecosystem, and that means no real hard stops on generations.

Re-releasing games with updates, like they seem to be doing with many titles, is something Sony consistently gets murdered for around here.

Mario Kart does look fucking awesome though, no doubt about that. And I'm very happy I waited to play TotK. Will probably get to that next year, the way Switch 2 is looking.

I was just talking about Mario Kart being a Forza Horizon Game now. That's what we both wanted!

 

[Lokaum D+]

But ppl told me that sw2 is more powerfull than a PS4

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Some are radio silent and the others are occupied moving the goalpost and some still in denial mode…I remember a lot of people laughing when some of us said that the Switch 2 was going to be capable to run Cyberpunk.

It does, and some others like Elden Ring, but only at 30fps and certainly not even a locked 1080p. They're in other words, down-ports. Not equivalent ports, or improved ports. It is not running these games at the level of a Series X or PS5. No one should've ever thought it would, so it shouldn't be something that needs to be spelled out. But here we are. Just as with Switch, the best Switch 2 software will be games made with it's tech in mind from the outset, rather than squeezed down in order to work.

Having said all that, damn Switch 2 is a *beast* of a handheld, a full generational leap for Nintendo. That's putting it mildly, honestly.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

"3070" lmao

 

[Dorfdad]

Woof

Even an RTX 2060, which is 6 years old, had better performance than a RTX 3050.

At what wattage? Please remember this is a portable device from Nintendo

 

[Muddy]

Nintendo magic?

Nintendo fan delusion.

With all due respect.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I need to know who won the epic duel.

Was not even close

 

[pulicat]

Haters expectations in this thread about Switch 2 graphics

and then reality hits

 

[Mr Moose]

Haters expectations in this thread about Switch 2 graphics

and then reality hits

Those characters look shit though.

 

[LordOcidax]

But ppl told me that sw2 is more powerfull than a PS4

Looks like its…

 

[EruditeHobo]

I was just talking about Mario Kart being a Forza Horizon Game now. That's what we both wanted!

Fair!

 

[SweetTooth]

Does it?

Haven't you seen Cyberpunk? at 588p!!!

Or Haven't you seen the sketchy YT trying basically to promote Switch through bullshots?

Edit: Reality will hit soon, and we will get back to " who does buy Switch to play 3rd party games? you get it for Nintendo games!!"