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[Zathalus]

I still think GPU performance will be roughly inline with the Xbox One. Just with more RAM, better CPU, better storage, and modern GPU feature set. Docked will be better than PS4 but not at the PS4 Pro level.

 

[Mr Moose]

well it literally isn't a downclocked 2050 tho, as it uses Ampere not Turing.

2050 is Ampere.

 

[bundylove]

Imagine you hook this things up to a 65 plus inch screen lol.

Already we see bad IQ on ps5 games in performance mode.

Now imagine down ported ps5 games on the switch 2 lol.

SWitch 2 should have been a full on handheld with the best possible specs and skip the dock mode nonsense

 

[Ribi]

I mean they're known for pushing tech and graphics what do you expect

 

[SweetTooth]

I’d love to Microsoft to cut ties with AMD and give us an Nvidia console with modern architecture. In a perfect world they’d buy Sega and rebrand and reset for the next generation.

ARM based CPU. Nvidia GPU. Don’t go wild with chip size… leverage new architecture… and price it right.

That’s a competitive idea. Not just another AMD chip that’s different in ways that are barely significant at the end of the day.

 

[Radical_3d]

Imagine you hook this things up to a 65 plus inch screen lol.

Already we see bad IQ on ps5 games in performance mode.

Now imagine down ported ps5 games on the switch 2 lol.

SWitch 2 should have been a full on handheld with the best possible specs and skip the dock mode nonsense

But I want to play Nintendo games on my 65” screen.

 

[bundylove]

But I want to play Nintendo games on my 65” screen.

 

[kevboard]

2050 is Ampere.

wait? for real? wtf is it with those tech firms and naming things? why not name it 3040?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

wait? for real? wtf is it with those tech firms and naming things? why not name it 3040?

NV believes that consumers think anything less than x50 is garbage.

 

[kevboard]

NV believes that consumers think anything less than x50 is garbage.

well, I'd think a 3040 is more powerful than a 2050 tbh or at least on par, as that's usually how it went in the past.

 

[Fafalada]

we don't know the TDP in docked mode. could be 30W or 60W, or anything in-between.

30W for the whole system is a lot different from 30W for GPU alone (which is what 2050 is rated on, with 3050 going up to 45W). On x86 handhelds - 30W APU draw usually means 45-50W for the system, and that's also not just GPU TDP.

And how to dissipate 60W from a shell that small I have no idea - but I guess we'll need to see the teardown on how the cooling works.
Worth noting that 60W power draw would be pretty unprecedented in Nintendo history - at least as far back as the N64, they never had a console that drew more than 40W afaik.

 

[Radical_3d]

I’ve played BOTW, the WiiU version, in a 65” TV. Beat that.

 

[bundylove]

I’ve played BOTW, the WiiU version, in a 65” TV. Beat that.

I Used to watch 160p avi file porn back in the day. Didnt know if i am looking at a human pussy or a rats ass. Was able to beat it too just like you.

 

[Radical_3d]

I Used to watch 160p avi file porn back in the day. Didnt know if i am looking at a human pussy or a rats ass. Was able to beat it too just like you.

And two days to download. There’s no young people in GAF, tovarich.

 

[tkscz]

30W for the whole system is a lot different from 30W for GPU alone (which is what 2050 is rated on, with 3050 going up to 45W). On x86 handhelds - 30W APU draw usually means 45-50W for the system, and that's also not just GPU TDP.

And how to dissipate 60W from a shell that small I have no idea - but I guess we'll need to see the teardown on how the cooling works.
Worth noting that 60W power draw would be pretty unprecedented in Nintendo history - at least as far back as the N64, they never had a console that drew more than 40W afaik.

That explains why they get like an hour of battery, I assumed when the PC handhelds said they were using 30W, that was in total.

 

[kevboard]

30W for the whole system is a lot different from 30W for GPU alone (which is what 2050 is rated on, with 3050 going up to 45W). On x86 handhelds - 30W APU draw usually means 45-50W for the system, and that's also not just GPU TDP.

And how to dissipate 60W from a shell that small I have no idea - but I guess we'll need to see the teardown on how the cooling works.
Worth noting that 60W power draw would be pretty unprecedented in Nintendo history - at least as far back as the N64, they never had a console that drew more than 40W afaik.

I am mainly talking about the APU here. in docked mode the battery isn't really a concern anymore, and the cooling shouldn't be much of an issue either given the pretty sizeable vents it seems to have.

all the leaks so far came true, so the one that said it has an additional fan inside the dock seems relatively plausible now imo.
and remember that a lot of the power draw of a handheld is often the Screen. the ROG Ally and the Legion Go have pretty big 120hz screens that will draw a big chunk of power on their own. a docked Switch has the screen turned completely off, so that gives it additional headroom both in terms of power supply restrictions and it also needing to charge the battery at least a bit while being used.

so you can't even really compare a Windows handheld drawing 40W to a docked Switch 2 drawing 40W, especially since one is using ARM CPU cores while the other is using x86

 

[tr1p1ex]

i think it's going to be 8 years more powerful than the Switch.

 

[bundylove]

And two days to download. There’s no young people in GAF, tovarich.

What 2 days. We were making a ton of copies at school and just handed them out to friends.

This young generation will never know

 

[Radical_3d]

What 2 days. We were making a ton of copies at school and just handed them out to friends.

This young generation will never know

Oh. I never bought one of those clone CD at high school. The risk was just too high with only one computer in the house.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Imagine you hook this things up to a 65 plus inch screen lol.

Like PS4 pro owners did?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Imagine you hook this things up to a 65 plus inch screen lol.

Already we see bad IQ on ps5 games in performance mode.

Now imagine down ported ps5 games on the switch 2 lol.

SWitch 2 should have been a full on handheld with the best possible specs and skip the dock mode nonsense

What a stupid take.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

If the NS2 version is 60FPS they will have become suddenly become experienced at optimization for 1 version. Just saving you having to pivot later

*narrator voice* It never did.

 

[EruditeHobo]

From the design of the track that we can gleam, I imagine Mario Kart 9 will be more Forza Horizon-ish. Looks semi-open world to me.

This feels way to bold for Nintendo... however this would be an incredible change to this series.

 

[bundylove]

What a stupid take.

Cuz??

 

[bundylove]

Like PS4 pro owners did?

News flash .

Play jedi or AW 2 on base ps5 in performance mode on a large tv.
I went from 65 to 85. It shows my man.

On the pro with checkerboard 1800p looked stunning on my 65 back then. But it wasnt in performance mode it was moatly 30fps

 

[Fafalada]

That explains why they get like an hour of battery, I assumed when the PC handhelds said they were using 30W, that was in total.

Yea - the 65Wh battery units will get you around 1.5hrs when running max (30+) TDP for chip alone. Of course, you would normally run it at 15-20W (which is the sweet spot for these chips performance wise). And moreover, when playing classic emulation or older titles, you can limit TDP to 5-10W and significantly extend the battery. As always - on PC we get a lot more control but it's not as simple to use as a console.

I am mainly talking about the APU here.

I know - I was just pointing out that benchmarks we have for Geforce 2050/3050 chips are on discrete GPUs running 30-45W on their own, so that's a noticeably higher cap.

in docked mode the battery isn't really a concern anymore, and the cooling shouldn't be much of an issue either given the pretty sizeable vents it seems to have.

Like I said - how much power they dissipate will be interesting to see. The one thing that x86 handhelds do to deal with that much heat, is having a much thicker chassis, and the weight of cooling assembly is not insignificant (many of these devices weigh 700-800G), though part of that weight is also the larger battery packs.

a docked Switch has the screen turned completely off, so that gives it additional headroom both in terms of power supply restrictions and it also needing to charge the battery at least a bit while being used.

That part is true - and I know at least some of these handhelds can safely handle 40+W APU TDP when docked, but again, we are talking about larger cooling assembly. I am not well versed enough on cooling tech to say how much tacking on a fan would help vs. just having larger heatsink/pipes.

so you can't even really compare a Windows handheld drawing 40W to a docked Switch 2 drawing 40W, especially since one is using ARM CPU cores while the other is using x86

Of course we can, Watts are a physical measure. The amount of work you get out of a chip at same Wattage will differ, but 40W is a fixed amount of heat to dissipate - what software/hardware is generating it is irrelevant. And again - Nintendo's consoles typically ran quite a bit cooler than 40W (Switch is the lowest yes - but N64, GC, Wii, WiiU were all in 20-30W range), so it'll be interesting to see them stretch this if they do.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Cuz??

It will have HDR.
PS4 Pro people hooked to large tv's.
It supports HDMI 2.1 which could worse case scenario give 1440p+ 40hz.

 

[bundylove]

It will have HDR.
PS4 Pro people hooked to large tv's.
It supports HDMI 2.1 which could worse case scenario give 1440p+ 40hz.

Marked for dissapointment once the reveal is done

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Marked for dissapointment once the reveal is done

We get it you aren't interested in the Switch 2.

You try to hard.

 

[awwr999999]

Is this more or less powerful than a base PS4?

You can't meaningfully compare CPUs with different architectures based on specs.
Steve Jobs explaining the megahertz myth.
Good example is the PS2's MIPS CPU @ 299MHz.
You can't compare the PS2's proprietary CPU or GPU to any other CPU or GPU meaningfully because they don't work in the same way.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

sorry nvm

 

[bundylove]

We get it you aren't interested in the Switch 2.

You try to hard.

No YOU dont get it.

You will get it once you realize you been conned by nintendo.

The idea that all of you cream your pants with this nonsense that magically the switch 2 will have ps5 level ports is lunacy.

But i see this has been now downgraded to max ps4 pro level graphics yet somehow they keep reporting it will have starfield and flight simulator and avatar and silent hill 2 etc. when the equalent pc card thats still more powerful than the switch 2 can ever be , cant even run the matrix demo .

I will be more pleasant in my posts about the switch 2 once you guys wake up in the real world and settle for more realistic expectations.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No YOU dont get it.

You will get it once you realize you been conned by nintendo.

The idea that all of you cream your pants with this nonsense that magically the switch 2 will have ps5 level ports is lunacy.

But i see this has been now downgraded to max ps4 pro level graphics yet somehow they keep reporting it will have starfield and flight simulator and avatar and silent hill 2 etc. when the equalent pc card thats still more powerful than the switch 2 can ever be , cant even run the matrix demo .

I will be more pleasant in my posts about the switch 2 once you guys wake up in the real world and settle for more realistic expectations.

It will get PS5 ports.
It is PS4 Pro with a newer architecture,more ram and DLSS.
Nintendo will make better playing games than Sony and enjoying games is what it's about.

 

[bundylove]

It will get PS5 ports.
It is PS4 Pro with a newer architecture,more ram and DLSS.
Nintendo will make better playing games than Sony and enjoying games is what it's about.

Again.
Once you come down from your meth trip we can have a real talk

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Again.
Once you come down from your meth trip we can have a real talk

Nothing wrong was said by me.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Nintendo Switch 2 CPU Will Not Be Cause of Concern For New Games and Ports; Porting PS5 Games Will Be Easier Than Porting PS4 Games to Original Switch

While underpowered, the Nintendo Switch 2 CPU will not be a massive issue for ports, as developers seem to be happy about the system.

wccftech.com

 

[bundylove]

Nothing wrong was said by me.

You work with a lot of none facts.

If the DF video is not enough for you to understand to lower your expectations then get ready to get hurt.

This will be a one to one repeat of the switch as far as performance delta goes between ps5 and switch 2 like it was between ps4 and switch.

Doesnt mean it wont be a great system but forget about a lot of third party support.
And here is where my innitial tv size comment comes in place.

The ps5 looks like ass in performance mode ever since we have true current gen games that dont appear on ps4. I know thats why i got the pro.
But now imagine , a ps5 port game on the switch2 where i hope you agree will be dialed back heavily to make it run.
Now imagine that aweful looking ps5 performance mode game that already looks bad looking even worse .
And it sure as shit will.

Think the latest series s third party games. That only run 30fps no rt and at sub 720p. Some at close to 480p.
If the series s is already one of the worst looking options, how bad would the switch 2 look ?

Yes sure you can get good results with cross gen games on the switch2.
But thats day one.
In a year or 2 the industry will fully switch over to UE5 and alike for games that would be impossible to run on the ps4 pro in any shape or form.

Are you ready to say good bye to third party support due to severe technical limitations on the switch 2 in a year or two?

Brother i wont attack you. You did nothing to me.

I get that you are passionate about the switch. Its exciting. I know.

So lets just settle to revisit this once we see some actual games running on it.

 

[tkscz]

Yea - the 65Wh battery units will get you around 1.5hrs when running max (30+) TDP for chip alone. Of course, you would normally run it at 15-20W (which is the sweet spot for these chips performance wise). And moreover, when playing classic emulation or older titles, you can limit TDP to 5-10W and significantly extend the battery. As always - on PC we get a lot more control but it's not as simple to use as a console.

Which has me wondering about the Switch 2 handheld TDP. The Switch 1's TDP can go from 8w to 15w if the developer wanted it to. It's why some game could last longer in handheld than others (I believe Mario Odyssey was 10 or 12w). So I'm wondering if what info we have on Switch 2's handheld is what it is at 8w.

Regardless though we may be seeing some good battery life at least.

 

[PurePlatinum]

The existing Switch is essentially an Xbox 360, and it runs games as beautiful as Odyssey, ToTK, Tropical Freeze, and Metroid Prime. Can't wait to see what Nintendo can squeeze out of the amount of power that brought us RDR2 (still the best looking game ever)

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Imagine you hook this things up to a 65 plus inch screen lol.

Already we see bad IQ on ps5 games in performance mode.

Now imagine down ported ps5 games on the switch 2 lol.

SWitch 2 should have been a full on handheld with the best possible specs and skip the dock mode nonsense

Docking a Switch doesn't require that much effort or add much to the cost. If it didn't dock and was all handheld you could presumably lose the joycon function and save a few pennies on the hardware but I don't see where Nintendo would have increased the power on the handheld. These are arguably the best specs you can realistically get on a handheld that wont have all the OS and kernel bloat. The tv out part cost like 5 bucks in bulk. This will be about as good as it gets. If Sony made a handheld right now do you think it's specs would be the same level as a PS5? Of course you don't, you're not a fool. You have a good expectation of what you want you just want it from the wrong company.

This feels way to bold for Nintendo... however this would be an incredible change to this series.

It feels like the natural progression of the formula especially if its 24 racers. If you look at the beginning of the MK9 footage you'll see way more real estate than you need for a straight up race. LOOKS OPEN WORLD TO ME. I could be completely wrong and thats ok too.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

The existing Switch is essentially an Xbox 360, and it runs games as beautiful as Odyssey, ToTK, Tropical Freeze, and Metroid Prime. Can't wait to see what Nintendo can squeeze out of the amount of power that brought us RDR2 (still the best looking game ever)

It would be an Xbox 360 Pro. Can you imagine what Akrham Knight would look like on the 360?

 

[EruditeHobo]

It feels like the natural progression of the formula especially if its 24 racers. If you look at the beginning of the MK9 footage you'll see way more real estate than you need for a straight up race. LOOKS OPEN WORLD TO ME. I could be completely wrong and thats ok too.

I really hope you are correct... this kind of innovation would make this by FAR the most must-buy Mario Kart since 64 (for me).

 

[Dorfdad]

The existing Switch is essentially an Xbox 360, and it runs games as beautiful as Odyssey, ToTK, Tropical Freeze, and Metroid Prime. Can't wait to see what Nintendo can squeeze out of the amount of power that brought us RDR2 (still the best looking game ever)

you and me have vastly different ideas of what beautiful looks like I guess?

Switch can play nice looking games but the Jaggies on everything is horrible it's like there is no antialiasing at all! and the blurred backgrounds compensating for Depth are awful. That's what I want the switch 2 to fix. NO Jaggies, and 1440p/60 Docked.

 

[Woopah]

No YOU dont get it.

You will get it once you realize you been conned by nintendo.

The idea that all of you cream your pants with this nonsense that magically the switch 2 will have ps5 level ports is lunacy.

But i see this has been now downgraded to max ps4 pro level graphics yet somehow they keep reporting it will have starfield and flight simulator and avatar and silent hill 2 etc. when the equalent pc card thats still more powerful than the switch 2 can ever be , cant even run the matrix demo .

I will be more pleasant in my posts about the switch 2 once you guys wake up in the real world and settle for more realistic expectations.

To clarify, are you saying these PS5 ports won't run well, or that they won't come at all?

 

[bundylove]

To clarify, are you saying these PS5 ports won't run well, or that they won't come at all?

Read my other post above

 

[Imtjnotu]

you and me have vastly different ideas of what beautiful looks like I guess?

Switch can play nice looking games but the Jaggies on everything is horrible it's like there is no antialiasing at all! and the blurred backgrounds compensating for Depth are awful. That's what I want the switch 2 to fix. NO Jaggies, and 1440p/60 Docked.

What helped me alot with the switch on a 4k screen was the Marseille mClassic Pixel Enhancer.

If switch 2 is hdmi 2.1 I'll buy the updated version for it day 0

 

[Killer8]

How could they detect if MK was or wasn't using DLSS from a compressed 1080p YouTube stream? Unless they've seen raw 4K quality footage we haven't?

 

[bender]

 

[xenosys]

Nintendo fans truly are the most happy go lucky fans out there. You can give them 1080p/30FPS titles that look at least about a generation old and they'll still find some value in them for years to come and the product(s) will still ship millions.

The complete opposite of a PC gamer, who'll whinge incessantly for weeks and complain about a dying industry and falling standards if something isn't running at 4K/480FPS.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Nintendo fans truly are the most happy go lucky fans out there. You can give them 1080p/30FPS titles that look at least about a generation old and they'll still find some value in them for years to come and the product(s) will still ship millions.

The complete opposite of a PC gamer, who'll whinge incessantly for weeks and complain about a dying industry and falling standards if something isn't running at 4K/480FPS.

One of these sound a magnitude more pleasing than the other.