Should the Final Fantasy series go back to the turn based combat?

Should the Final Fantasy series go back to the turn based combat?

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Hollowpoint5557 said:
This totally deserved its own thread instead of posting in the already ongoing discussion in the turn based rpg thread because you are so special right?
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didn't see, but if you don't like it you're free to apply for mod and revoke my thread privileges.



DonkeyPunchJr said:
"SEE! OMG this is a victory for turn-based gamers. Ooooooh but I thought NoBoDy WaNtS tUrN bAsEd GaMeS aNyMoRe SUCK IT SQUARE ENIX STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINST US"

- turn based JRPG purists for the last 20 years every time a turn based JRPG has some level of success (which is like multiple times per year) (and like half of those are from Square Enix themselves, including FF spinoffs and remasters)
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this is what I'm complaining about.

I get it, FF is close to you. But they've been tripping for 20 years. You gotta accept that they don't have the chops anymore at some point.
 
Fbh said:
I don't disagree.
But FF is the one franchise that just triggers my nostalgia. Square RPGs were a big part of my childhood and one of the main things that got me into gaming, I find it hard to let them go.
After each shitty mainline FF I say I'm done with the franchise, but then somehow I get hyped up by the next game (only to be disappointed again).
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Same for me, I just think the obsession with FF going back to turn based is ridiculous.

The problem with post-PS3 Final Fantasy isn't the lack of traditional turn based battles. It's shitty writing, MMO busywork, and above all the fact that S-E just seems incapable of making a genre-defining game with a modern AAA budget/scope.

E.g. FF14 was so bad they had to take the whole thing offline and rebuild it from scratch. FF15 was a clusterfuck made from bits and pieces of another game that was announced 10 years prior. And 16 I strongly suspect was started as a spinoff DMC-style game that got pumped full of MMO filler in order to justify calling it FF16.
 
Mephisto40 said:
Not really is there, you only seem to post on anything Nintendo related
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Because there's been a lot of Nintendo related news lately. And I like Nintendo. Doesn't necessarily mean I game on their system exclusively though.

Either way, nothing stopping me from getting the newest FF even if I didn't own a PC (which I do) I just don't wanna.
 
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Just remembered we had a poll and checked the results. Speaks for itself. It's time for Square to abandon action game slop and go back to their roots.

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At least 15 was an actual JRPG. But 16? Change Clive to Dante, and you have DMC 6.

They should go back to the style of 12.
 
No. Just GILGAMESH.

The most faithful to old style Final Fantasy games is Octopath and Bravely Default.

For action Granblue Relink is more my style instead of the actual offerings FF has showcased in ARPGs.
 
I've been putting Final Fantasy threads on ignore since I joined this forum. But since this is a negative Final Fantasy thread I feel the need to include a snotty comment before also putting this Final Fantasy thread on ignore.
:)
 
I read mostly positive things about FF16 and FF7R. Of course the games are bloated today, but show me a AAA game that isn't.
 
Begleiter said:
XVI was the peak of what they can do with an action approach. They pulled in action game experts from Capcom's Devil May Cry team and everything. They need to stop chasing the ARPG dragon and move back to turn-based battles - there's plenty of space to design unique systems there.
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Looking at OT2 and other EE games is clear they have competent people for classic tbs rpg .. so why not diversify ? COD style .. let one group do ARPG shit and another TBS .. choose the scope/budget of the projects and see who can produce better results ... its like they are desperately trying for more than a decade to turn this franchise into something different, and finally we've got dogshit FFXV and NOT-FFVXI
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Seriously, the people crying about FF not being turn-based care more about having their opinion validated than about playing the damn thing.

I almost wish FF17 would go turn-based just so the purists can stop whining about it. They've had this persecution complex for 25 years, nevermind that there are shitloads of turn-based JRPGs releasing every year (including some FF spinoffs and remasters).
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Thing is they won't shut up regardless. Give whiners what they want, and they'll whine about something else.
 
Thats a nice way to take the discussion of the thread were the poll is incredible telling of what gaf thinks of TBs vs Action

It should be moved there by mods btw
 
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It's not even about turn based vs action combat. It's about execution. A game isn't instantly good or bad just because of the battle system.
 
Theres a lot of ppl who can't let go of their favorite franchise or are stuck in the past with the mentality that said stuff have not improved. These people are called delusional. Majority of gaf and the other place is full of them, but these gamers are a minority. Times change, they just can't accept it.
 
kiphalfton said:
Thing is they won't shut up regardless. Give whiners what they want, and they'll whine about something else.
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Oh yeah Final Fantasy fans find an endless number of things to hate about every FF game, that will never change.

But at least the turn-based purists could lose the ridiculous persecution complex.
 
64gigabyteram said:
Because there's been a lot of Nintendo related news lately. And I like Nintendo. Doesn't necessarily mean I game on their system exclusively though.

Either way, nothing stopping me from getting the newest FF even if I didn't own a PC (which I do) I just don't wanna.
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So you haven't even played the games you're complaining about then...
 
For the record, as someone who has had 22 different consoles, both handheld and desktop, including the original playstation

What the hell is a Final Fantasy

I hear it thrown around alongside a Roman numeral so people can bamboozle me
 
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vodka-bull said:
I read mostly positive things about FF16 and FF7R. Of course the games are bloated today, but show me a AAA game that isn't.
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16 is a very polarizing game. You either like it for what it is or absolutely hate it for what it isn't.

I completed the whole thing and gloated it's a good game. It's NOT a great game but I far prefer it to FF7 remake 1&2.

Those games really do not respect a players time and I shit you not you will be doing some stupid mini game every 10-20 minutes. It never stops. I just want to fight monsters and see cut scenes but that is not the game in the slightest. Tons of open world padding to add on top. It's a check list game.

But is it a BAD game even though I don't like rebirth? No. It's a good game.

FF just had such high highs that people want that level of polish and depth again. Unfortunately ever new FF title has a new team so they can't learn from their past iteration to build up on it and fix the mistakes. It's just getting lucky to get a good team on board.
 
That's not going to happen. People love it and want to see it become great again. It's because they love it that they haven't given up on it. It means something to people.
 
Labadal said:
How many AAA turn-based JRPGs are there besides Final Fantasy?

That's why, because there are none.
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In the modern age, AAA games are just marketing speak.

In fact in most cases the term gets mentioned I quickly (as if by magic) become more reluctant to play the game.

E.g Cyberpunk 2077
 
I liked FFIV to FFX and also liked Remake and Rebirth. Definitely looking forward to both FFVII Part 3 and FFIX Remake or another 2D HD Remake of one of the older games. So I'm cool with either turn base or non turn base. As long as the art style and character designs are good like Remake/Rebirth cause I didn't like the art style of FFXVI.
 
As long as its a fun combat system I don't care.

I feel like their main issue is art direction though. X onward it's all felt very much the same and they keep going with realism over style. Each iteration the production time takes longer and you enter more and more into the uncanny valley where you have to ask yourself, "Does this normal looking guy fighting a dragon suddenly look worse?".

It's easy to suspend disbelief and become more engrossed if your mind isn't always fighting "hey, this looks close to real but it feels wrong... Why did it feel more right 20 years ago?".

Why are we creating these huge sprawling 60+ hour games aiming for realism when that only helps drag us out of that mind-space? At-least, for myself; dynamic designs, colors, and otherworldly creations that cannot be done are more engaging and fit more into fantasy.

I have the same mindset with animation/art. Why make something animated unless your doing something that simply cannot be done or is too costly with film? Or why paint something hyper realistic when you can just take a photograph. Its a achievement to the artist, sure. But you aren't getting more out of the artwork. No intentional message is being made, just a showcase of what you can do.
 
kremit said:
In the modern age, AAA games are just marketing speak.

In fact in most cases the term gets mentioned I quickly (as if by magic) become more reluctant to play the game.

E.g Cyberpunk 2077
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I'm thinking a high budget game wiith top tier graphics. On PS1-PS2, the cut scenes were almost like a bonus, and production values were off the chart.
 
I think modern Final Fantasy games just aren't good.
I would like to see a return to turn based, but I feel like the lack of turn based combat in modern Final Fantasy is more a symptom rather than the cause of the decline in the quality of the franchise, so even if they returned to turn based I don't have much confidence in them putting out a game I would want to play at this point.
 
RJMacready73 said:
Has there ever been an actual coherent FF story? I give up on them years ago as they where so outlandishly stupid and dramatic, I just couldn't continue
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That's the whole problem: the series used to be good, like in the list of the best games ever made good, and now it's outlandishly stupid and dramatic. That's why people are so frustrated about Square.
 
Bernardougf said:
Looking at OT2 and other EE games is clear they have competent people for classic tbs rpg .. so why not diversify ? COD style .. let one group do ARPG shit and another TBS .. choose the scope/budget of the projects and see who can produce better results ... its like they are desperately trying for more than a decade to turn this franchise into something different, and finally we've got dogshit FFXV and NOT-FFVXI
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They also have Kingdom Hearts, the Mana games, Nier, Star Ocean and a half dozen dormant franchises that can fill the action RPG niche. They don't need Final Fantasy to be an action series. Even alternating (odd games action, even games turn based) would be better than the current approach.
 
Arsic said:
I just want to fight monsters and see cut scenes but that is not the game in the slightest. Tons of open world padding to add on top. It's a check list game.

But is it a BAD game even though I don't like rebirth? No. It's a good game.
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Thank you, this is exactly what I'm feeling going though the game!

Rebirth has a lot of stuff in it. Some of that stuff is fun, and some of it is boring. You can technically skip a lot of the boring, but things that make the fun stuff more fun are locked behind the boring stuff. So it's like you have to eat your vegetables before eating dessert, which is weird game design to me.

Exp33 is like, all dessert, no filler. But I still like the sweet parts of Rebirth.
 
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