LimanimaPT
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It could be even better if they released a VR version, but the people in charge are so dumb they can't see this.
Hermen Hulst calls Astro Bot their “most exciting recent success”
- Thread starter Dr. Samuel Hayden
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__SteakDeck__
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Bitter Nintendo fanboy. Lol
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__SteakDeck__
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Bruh. Why are you fucking mad. You're a weirdo. LMAO
Hero of Spielberg
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__SteakDeck__
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Nintendo fanboys always like to act weird toward Astro Bot. When they should be happy that someone else made a great game in their favorite genre. But. This just shows you how tribalistic gamers are. lol
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its funny.
You do realize that the argument you're making proves that burning billions on GAAS projects until they get a mega-hit is the right move for Sony, right?
You do realize that the argument you're making proves that burning billions on GAAS projects until they get a mega-hit is the right move for Sony, right?
archangelmorph
Gold Member
All this talk of franchise sales decline but it seems to ignore a lot of context.
God of War, Horizon: ZD, Spiderman all released on PS4, PS5 & PC.
PS4 install base when these titles first released was huge in comparison to the PS5 install base when the sequels landed.
MRRPs varied between franchise outings (£60 vs £70).
Also physical sales ratio were MUCH larger for previous outings vs digital (where physical sales are significantly more heavily discounted and more frequently, vs PSN price preservation being far more consistent in the era of PS5, with marginalised physical distribution to put price pressure on online sales for consumers).
Either way,
God of War: Ragnarok did over 15m units (lifetime sales to date)
Horizon: Forbidden West did 8.4m units
Spiderman 2 did over 11m units
All these games did exceptionally well in their own right despite these factors.
These types of sales figures for first party single player (non-GTA) titles were unheard of for any game in the PS1/PS2/PS3 gens.
Sony has made more profit thus far with PS5 than they did across PS1-PS4 COMBINED.
There aren't many absolute metrics here that can objectively undermine the absolute raging success of Sony this gen, both commercially and critically.
I hate the GAAS focus too (seems entirely unnecessary given the sterling healthy business as made evident above - just grow your first party stable, expand and grow more teams in each major studio, produce smaller games focused on fun with oversight from the veterans and then evolve and spin them out into dedicated studios over the long term. Stagger releases and ultimately scale up to a first party slate of 7-10 titles per year once you have enough studios), given the proven model they have, the proven health of the market and the scope of potential you could get by investing e.g. $400m in "more of the same" instead of "Concord".
But either way the numbers don't lie, and Sony's execs including HH, have afforded themselves A LOT of political capital through the overall health of the business, which might just be enough to absorb the stratospheric, costly fuckups of Concord and Haven (maybe Marathon too but the jury is still out) etc.
God of War, Horizon: ZD, Spiderman all released on PS4, PS5 & PC.
PS4 install base when these titles first released was huge in comparison to the PS5 install base when the sequels landed.
MRRPs varied between franchise outings (£60 vs £70).
Also physical sales ratio were MUCH larger for previous outings vs digital (where physical sales are significantly more heavily discounted and more frequently, vs PSN price preservation being far more consistent in the era of PS5, with marginalised physical distribution to put price pressure on online sales for consumers).
Either way,
God of War: Ragnarok did over 15m units (lifetime sales to date)
Horizon: Forbidden West did 8.4m units
Spiderman 2 did over 11m units
All these games did exceptionally well in their own right despite these factors.
These types of sales figures for first party single player (non-GTA) titles were unheard of for any game in the PS1/PS2/PS3 gens.
Sony has made more profit thus far with PS5 than they did across PS1-PS4 COMBINED.
There aren't many absolute metrics here that can objectively undermine the absolute raging success of Sony this gen, both commercially and critically.
I hate the GAAS focus too (seems entirely unnecessary given the sterling healthy business as made evident above - just grow your first party stable, expand and grow more teams in each major studio, produce smaller games focused on fun with oversight from the veterans and then evolve and spin them out into dedicated studios over the long term. Stagger releases and ultimately scale up to a first party slate of 7-10 titles per year once you have enough studios), given the proven model they have, the proven health of the market and the scope of potential you could get by investing e.g. $400m in "more of the same" instead of "Concord".
But either way the numbers don't lie, and Sony's execs including HH, have afforded themselves A LOT of political capital through the overall health of the business, which might just be enough to absorb the stratospheric, costly fuckups of Concord and Haven (maybe Marathon too but the jury is still out) etc.
Cakeboxer
Member
That's not hard. They are robots. Aloy loves to fight robots--> Horizon crossover!
KungFucius
King Snowflake
It just shows that most PS5 fanboys are fucking morons. Goty game on the system that costs 60 bucks and 97% don't buy it. Clowns.
BlackTron
Member
Astro-bot now has enough momentum to appear that it is succeeding while in actuality failing by his hand. The next game can be something that stagnates the franchise while he collects accolades for it outselling the last one, perfect.
BlackTron
Member
I'm sure that selling 2,3 mil copies is what he truly consider a smashing and super exciting success from the bottom of his as...heart and this is not just pr talk to look better with hardcore gamers
Pay attention to what he said: one of their most exciting recent successes.
Astro-bot looking real good next to Concord
GymWolf
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Tbf, even a dry turd would look real good next to concord
BlackTron
Member
Tbf, even a dry turd would look real good next to concord
Pretty sure this happened in focus testing
Rocinante618
Member
While the game is good it still caters to a certain group. If it gets released on PC at that price point, expect Rachet and Clank numbers, maybe even a bit more.
I would have liked it more if it were more difficult and did more things with the gimmicks/mechanics but I guess it was made with a lot of casual gamers in mind, especially children.
Mario Odyssey however is a different beast that is still undoubtedly the best 3D platformer till today.
Lucky to be in a time where you have great titles across platforms.
I would have liked it more if it were more difficult and did more things with the gimmicks/mechanics but I guess it was made with a lot of casual gamers in mind, especially children.
Mario Odyssey however is a different beast that is still undoubtedly the best 3D platformer till today.
Lucky to be in a time where you have great titles across platforms.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Some of the challenge levels are not very easy though, but fair some people want and deserve even more of a challenge. For me AstroBot is in the Olympus of the best platformers and deservedly so. Relative scoring up there in the clouds is for me a bit pointless.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
It must have hurt him so much to say it.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
This game is a small ray of hope in an otherwise rather miserable exclusive lineup.
But Hulst has absolutely no idea how other developers can even achieve such quality in their games. Marathon will be the next complete flop.
He should have been fired long ago for being completely incompetent. He's the Sony version of Phil Spencer, so to speak.
But Hulst has absolutely no idea how other developers can even achieve such quality in their games. Marathon will be the next complete flop.
He should have been fired long ago for being completely incompetent. He's the Sony version of Phil Spencer, so to speak.
Buggy Loop
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Buggy Loop
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Any games that stayed for sale more than two weeks look real good next to concords
You need to play GT7. That's a good evergreen game too.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, I do not think it is quite the same. The Naughty Dog thing alone is quite something else… same thing about referring to Concord anywhere is starting to feel like dropping Hitler bombs. You get your trolls banned
. Far more effective at ganging up on them I will give people that.
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__SteakDeck__
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Not as stupid as ya'll that paid $70 for cardboard.
Buggy Loop
Member
Yes, I do not think it is quite the same. The Naughty Dog thing alone is quite something else… same thing about referring to Concord anywhere is starting to feel like dropping Hitler bombs. You get your trolls banned
Naughty dog thing?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Find a Naughty Dog thread without "Cuckman", Abby gifs, WOKE, LGBTQ+++, and other details. Needles in haystacks. Or Scam Citizen, etc… in other threads.
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NeverYouMind
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It is worse than Daxter for PSP and that was considered below mid.
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Physiognomonics
Member
You guys should also remember that those assholes asked Doucet to make them a playable demo before green lighting his Astrobot (which costed maybe 30 million $) ! When that studio had already released hits after hits for years (demos, free PS5 game and 90+ metacritic PSVR Astro). They really have no shame.
Did Concord team gave them a playable demo before spending the rest of the 200 million dollars, very likely not. They were a team for the new audience so they had a free pass because they had a new religion to push to their customers.
Did Concord team gave them a playable demo before spending the rest of the 200 million dollars, very likely not. They were a team for the new audience so they had a free pass because they had a new religion to push to their customers.
midnightAI
Member
Hopefully Nintendo will try a bit harder with Mario now, that needs a return to form.
Buggy Loop
Member
Well this is consequences of letting grifters take hold of the narrative on what is woke and what isn't and Xbox like Sony got flamed for this shit and often times for no good reasons. I can just tap on the Avowed sign to point out how fucking deranged this topic is for little to no reasons in the end when you actually play the game.
Frustrations on GAAS on Sony side is much bigger than culture war
Nintendo really doesn't fit into this woke debate or GAAS because the franchises are old as fuck, they are very conservative and I've never seen them trying to chase trends, or if they are they are 10 years late to the party.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yep, that as well. Happened to 343i and Bonnie Ross (as bad as you feel she was, it made Halo threads insufferable). I think there is a general bigger resentment around Sony that is all.
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daninthemix
Member
Damn, if that's exciting I'd hate to hear what they think is boring 
Calverz
Member
For me it's returnal, demons souls and GT7 (although GT7 to the casual observer is just a better gt sport I guess). Can bin the rest.
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
At least something he got right.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You are 100% WRONG!
Angry_Megalodon
Member
I hope you stay true to this statement when the sales of Metroid 4 are known.
If the game ever releases, that is.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Astro Bot: Extraction Day
Hero Extraction Shooter featuring Astro Bot characters announced five minutes after this interview. All further SP entries in the franchise have been put on hold.
Hero Extraction Shooter featuring Astro Bot characters announced five minutes after this interview. All further SP entries in the franchise have been put on hold.
Don't give them ideas lol. But I wouldn't be surprised if Herman did actually that.
kazuyamishima
Member
Aside from the Insomniac leaks and considering that Sony barely update their games sales, this is a stupid take
playbignbox
Member
He's right.
crackajack
Member
Hopefully they finally found a mascot to make their Mario spinoffs like games. Sackboy was seemingly sacked, neither Jak&Daxter nor Ratchet Clank could have ever really worked with their sorta mature sorta cringe jokes and Knack was a terrible attempt.