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[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh, that's 600ft! Isn't that close to professional level?

As a very avid shooter its not professional level but its also not some deranged teen who grabbed a gun a week ago

In fact its a fairly easy shot for anyone who has hunted much and hitting them in the neck was not the target area for a kill shot

 

[rubik's dude]

so... this should be a bannable post imo... just saying.

and as a whole, all the extremely tribalist posts on here are sad to see. nothing is more retarded than tribalism. tribalism is the reason shit like this happens. everyone has to be part of a tribe and has to demonise the opposite tribe. all of them are a step behind on the evolutionary ladder, and not better than a bunch of chimpanzees flinging shit.

It technically is.

Not sure why the policy isn't being enforced.

 

[Mr Moose]

Oh man brian crecente.. I just remembered this video and it's still funny as fuck

 

[RedC]

Horseshoe theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[simpatico]

Stupid take.

Depends on the person's risk tolerance really. Or how they draw up the cost-benefit analysis.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I agree with everything but that "loony left" shit. there are a lot of reasonable people around the world we make the mistake of tossing into categories, which naturally leads to simplification/marginalization. Kirk was killed because of that kinda shit.

Most bears are afraid of you and will run away when they see you. I hate it when people say bears are dangerous.

That ideology clearly promotes political violence.

 

[chromhound]

These guys are maniac

 

[EviLore]

It technically is.

Not sure why the policy isn't being enforced.

Because we feel like discussing the event.

 

[DragoonKain]

I recommend everyone not search the internet for outrage bait on this murder, you'll thank yourselves later.

 

[analog_future]

I asked my libertarian buddy just last weekend something. "When the mob is going door to door on your street, and you're hiding in the basement with your kids, will you whisper: at least we didn't use authoritarian means to prevent this" I wonder if our talk would go differently after this.

Endless bad takes in this thread, but this takes the cake.

 

[Mistake]

What, exactly, is happening in the UK? Provide me with one actual piece of evidence that states we should be carrying guns.

And how did carrying a gun help Charlie Kirk today?

I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for a gun. How about this for evidence? Go derail something else

 

[Beretta]

sharing Grummz because he screenshotted it

If people take the opinion of a guy and decide to kill others over it, I'm not sure how it's his fault. He expresses his views, I don't think he's ever said "these people should be killed".

 

[EviLore]

 

[Idleyes]

Because we feel like discussing the event.

And lets be real. This is yo site my nigga.

 

[calico]

The UK right now is providing a very strong argument for preserving the Second Amendment.

Imo he was right that preserving it is worth the cost, and -if leftists were allowed into heaven- I bet if they went and asked him right now he would still believe that.

We choose to preserve many rights and freedoms which inevitably have a risk attached. How many people have been killed or assaulted by someone who would have already been in prison for something else if not for the requirement for the state to conduct a trial, and provide counsel, and prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? Does that make it funny or ironic that the victim believed in preserving those requirements? Of course not. We accept the risk because we consider the alternative to be worse.

Do you not think he knew he was risking his life every time he spoke in public? He was expressing views hated by the most violent people in society, and he was very effective at it, which is what they hated him for most of all. He was perhaps the top target on the left's hit list outside of the administration and Elon. Even in a gunless society, he would have been taking on more risk just by opposing these thugs than the average person experiences in an armed America. He did so because he believed in what he was saying.

 

[transformer]

The issue is everytime there is a shooting where innocent kids are mowed down completely senselessly, people like Charlie Kirk is in the headlines saying stupid shit like "Sorry but this is the cost of being able to bear our God given AR15s". So yeah, when you have to deal with the callous shit people are saying while entire communities are being destroyed, or saying it's fake news or a government psyop to take ur guns away, incensed people feel some karmic justice that they are now being forced to face the problem they've "created". obviously it's much more complicated than that, but that's how they see it

You are literally mischaracterizing they guy while his dead body is still warm. You sir, are part of the problem.

 

[paolo11]

Because we feel like discussing the event.

Thank you. This is huge news and it shows the true colors of a lot of people on the other side.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I'm not sure how it's his fault

wait... who is saying this?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Political murder or attempted murder sure does bring out the evil fucks here. At best you sickos are short sighted. This could have horrible consequences.

 

[Kacho]

and hitting them in the neck was not the target area for a kill shot

The slowmo footage looks like a ricochet. Bounced off his vest, went in the neck and then up into the skull. Probably an instant death.

 

[Mohonky]

Didn't he say that a few gun deaths was OK to keep the 2nd amendment in place?

Apparently so. Quite ironic.

Gruesome footage. America is a mess.

 

[Drake]

Not the biggest fan of Kisin, but I felt what he is getting at here especially about some invisible line being crossed.

 

[jason10mm]

Because if we knew what motivated the killer......then what?

Yeah, I feel like he was reserving the possibility it was a "legitimate" shooting, instead of saying "REGARDLESS of what motivated......". Obama needs a better tweet scriptwriter.

 

[Thanati]

I wouldn't be here today without a gun. How about this for evidence? Go derail something else

And 30,000 other people would be here (in 2024 alone) if there was sensible gun control.

Why is it America is the only "civilized" country where they believe they must carry a gun in order to be safe?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Because we feel like discussing the event.

YES!!!!

This is why I came back to this forum. We're not children and this is a major event. It shows that you can have discourse and not the extreme echochambers like BlueSky or Resetera. That is the same tone that people who shoot folks like Charlie do. They don't win with logic. Professional temper tantrums and victim hood. And numbers plus facts do nothing for them.

Ignoring this would be part of the problem and as long as it's civil, I'm good.

 

[GateofD]

The future sucks, the next gen taking over are all full of tictok ipad kids and raised on school shootings for lunch and their critical thinking skills amount to inquiring thru ChatGPT

 

[RedC]

I agree wholeheartedly, however, I wish people would wait until we find out definitively what the suspect's motivation was even if it's highly likely political.

 

[rubik's dude]

Because we feel like discussing the event.

The event and tribalistic mudslinging are two different things.

 

[Physiognomonics]

As a very avid shooter its not professional level but its also not some deranged teen who grabbed a gun a week ago

In fact its a fairly easy shot for anyone who has hunted much and hitting them in the neck was not the target area for a kill shot

We don't know everything yet but based on the footage it seems the shooter shot him right to his chest and the bulled bounced off.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

I agree wholeheartedly, however, I wish people would wait until we find out definitively what the suspect's motivation was even if it's highly likely political.

Not ruling it out, but is there any realistic context in which it wouldn't be?

 

[Neff]

it's not left vs right. it's extremists vs moderates.

If we were just talking about words by idiots on the internet, I'd agree, but after the last ten years of western civilisation being under the heel of the woke gravy train, and the unscrupulous means we've seen deployed in government, news and the media to sustain it, and to attack those who criticise it, I find myself for the first time in my life thinking that those on 'the right' are showing more rationality, civility, honesty, and concern for society than those on 'the left' are.

 

[Trilobit]

Not sure why the policy isn't being enforced.

There is often some leeway when something major is happening, but eventually this thread will probably be locked as people have been able to blow off some steam. I think it strikes a good balance with the politics ban even if it might seem contradictory. Having endless political debates here would be exhausting and detrimental to the atmosphere.

 

[RedC]

Not ruling it out, but is there any realistic context in which it wouldn't be?

It could've been personal, for instance; however, my bigger point is people jumping the gun and filling in the blanks rather than leaving it blank until we have more information.

 

[Beretta]

wait... who is saying this?

There are people on social media who have said this, it's crazy. That post just reminded me of those idiots.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Oh, that's 600ft! Isn't that close to professional level?

As a very avid shooter its not professional level but its also not some deranged teen who grabbed a gun a week ago

In fact its a fairly easy shot for anyone who has hunted much and hitting them in the neck was not the target area for a kill shot

I agree with Heisenberg.
As somebody that grew up shooting for fun 200 yards/meters isn't hard so definitely not professional especially done with an optic (which I can almost guarantee you it was) however it's not something somebody could pick up a firearm for the first time and do without luck.

High power optics (6x magnification or above) and bipods are fairly common and easy to get as they are used for hunting here a lot. You can easily find optics with over 6x magnification but even at just 6x a human body is pretty easy to see at 100ft especially when a bipod is steadying the shot.

I would even go to say that minimum training would be needed to make a shot like that.

The slowmo footage looks like a ricochet. Bounced off his vest, went in the neck and then up into the skull. Probably an instant death.

I haven't seen the slomo footage but if this is true then it's an even easier shot as it was made for full mass.

 

[Kacho]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

One other thing.

Gun related deaths in 2024 was 30,100 (including 69 school children).
Gun related deaths in 2023 was 46,728 (including 30 school children)

How exactly did the 2nd amendment help here? I'm genuinely curious

Because you didn't understand that 70% of those deaths are suicide

80% of the remainder are due to gang violence

A small number are accidental

After you remove all of those, then and only then do you have an actual number of violent gun related acts including the assassination of Charlie Kirk

 

[Scrawnton]

Not ruling it out, but is there any realistic context in which it wouldn't be?

Semantics, but does religion fall under politics? I personally agree it does but I bet the media will spin it and bury it if it was religiously motivated.

 

[Idleyes]

Didn't he say that a few gun deaths was OK to keep the 2nd amendment in place?

I'm sure he meant his own so what's your point?

Edit: And he both risked and gave his life for that statement too. Would you do the same?

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Poor guy, and poor kids. Hopefully they didn't get to see that.

 

[Wimbledon]

I do agree with this take. Cause some of the channels that i've seen so far do condemn what happened but people are very much conflicted about him as an individual. I do more or less agree with this guy.

But I do think people are taking a step to far like reset era or other channels who are basically saying "supported 2nd amendment, died by 2nd amendment". I usually tried to avoid the rage bait channels though, but some of these comments man are wild.

I definitely didn't like Kirk but again i just didn't watch him, and tried to seek people who were more in the middle not as narrative driven.

also crazy enough there was also a school shooting today as well.

 

[Mistake]

And 30,000 other people would be here (in 2024 alone) if there was sensible gun control.

Why is it America is the only "civilized" country where they believe they must carry a gun in order to be safe?

Because America is a huge country which was created on the premise of escaping tyranny. The founders recognized that anyone without a gun had zero chance of fighting off an authoritarian government. Troops were housed in their homes without their consent, and you'll be in the same predicament when it comes to gang violence or when your government goes to hell.

 

[Mr Moose]

And 30,000 other people would be here (in 2024 alone) if there was sensible gun control.

Why is it America is the only "civilized" country where they believe they must carry a gun in order to be safe?

If someone decides to murder someone else, they don't need a gun to do it.
Being able to protect yourself and your family and being able to do so with a firearm is a right in the US.
I'm English, we don't have that right here, we don't even have free speech.

 

[kevboard]

If we were just talking about words by idiots on the internet, I'd agree, but after the last ten years of western civilisation being under the heel of the woke gravy train, and the unscrupulous means we've seen deployed in government, news and the media to sustain it, and to attack those who criticise it, I find myself for the first time in my life thinking that those on 'the right' are showing more rationality, civility, honesty, and concern for society than those on 'the left' are.

democracy is a hopefully self regulating system. if one side oversteps, the other side should act as the correction. the issue often is that there's an overcorrection once stuff goes too far to either side. and that's what needs to be avoided at all cost. which is why it is very much the extremists vs the moderates. once the extremists get control, either due to the lack of correction, or as part of an overcorrection, things go bad real fast.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The problem is not the assassin. The problem is THE REACTIONS. If tomorrow the killer proves himself a MAGA who had a personal beef against Kirk that wouldnt make reactions any less nauseating.

Society is dangerously fractured and it needs both parties to sit down and reflect on what has brought us here.

 

[Gexxy1]

And 30,000 other people would be here (in 2024 alone) if there was sensible gun control.

30,000? Pray tell what is "sensible" in your mind, or do you just not have any clue what the circumstances for most gun deaths are?

 

[MiguelItUp]

The event and tribalistic mudslinging are two different things.

It already started with the "this side" and "that side" comments. I doubt it'll stop anytime soon. Hell, we can hardly get through a week of gaming topics before it's brought up again and again.

 

[Ishma3L]

Because we feel like discussing the event.

 

[Idleyes]

sharing Grummz because he screenshotted it

It's not about the opinion, it's about the right to voice it. Forget that, and you end up excusing those who silence the opinions YOU agree with. I don't hate that person who tweeted that comment, I just wish they understood this concept.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

These guys are maniac

See, the UK dystopian police should be after these kind of people and not the other way around.

Serious question for anyone that knows : in America, are these sites monitored by any kind of government agencies ? What about blue sky ? Surely cheering on someone's death has got to have some kind of repercussion(s) especially since it involves a terrorist act ?