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[Panajev2001a]

Am I a bad person for thinking that cancel culture is bad whatever the direction, and that people should be able to state bad opinions without being fired or executed?

I totally get that there is an amount of catharsis in the left getting what they dealt for years, but I saw how those years made the world more miserable.

No, you are not a bad person I agree with you, but us agreeing is not stopping this . Maybe more people like you reacting when it got normalised from the left would have helped though. Genie is out of the bottle and people will use cheap tools that work.

It is a bigger societal reckoning that needs to happen on this matter.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Mister Wolf]

I agree with him. Fuck that "turn the other cheek" shit. Don't start none, won't be none.

 

[pudel]

Bro Michelle Obama majored in Sociology, got a Law degree and worked as an associate lawyer and then got into public life. All this before Obama got into politics. Saying she lacks brain power is profoundly racist.

So every black guy/girl who says Trump is an idiot is racist as well? Interesting.

 

[RoboFu]

Ooh some of you are really pushing the boundaries.

It doesn't matter if you liked the guy or not. I personally dont like a lot of what he has said but he didn't deserve to die. That's the point. There is no ... bbbuuutttt he...

 

[calico]

Unfortunately, it's not.

The 'quote' presented was "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."

Please give the timestamp for where he says "Black women" in this video.

 

[krumble]

Just wow at all the "lovely peaceful and calm" /s people over on era going mental at sucker punch for firing Drew and all cancelling their preorders for the game while insisting the Charlie Kirk is a Nazi.
He had views they disagree with (as a board and the industry it seems) but nothing deserves death over perceived hurt feelings, and celebrating it is just disgusting, you don't see this kind of rhetoric (outside of a few mental cases) anywhere else but the liberal left it seems, where they have all lost their minds and insist on violence to impose their beliefs on others
I wasn't buying the game on principal due to the dowdy protagonist they decided was suitable for the sequel, go woke and they deserve to go broke, seems both sides are cancelling preorders over this, damned if you do, damned if you dont
The secret these companies need to understand is don't bring politics into the workplace or our games, we play games to escape the real world

 

[PeteBull]

Bro Michelle Obama majored in Sociology, got a Law degree and worked as an associate lawyer and then got into public life. All this before Obama got into politics. Saying she lacks brain power is profoundly racist.

Im saying she didnt achieve anything that warrants her to be famous, except being wife of 8years US president, tons of ppl got law degree and no1 knows about them, or cares about them, let her into politics, see how she does, till then we dont know, and we shouldnt praise her for something she didnt achieve.

 

[Fahdis]

Nah, it's an easy choice; we know the far left loonies (such as those found on Reee-Era) don't buy games in mass, only moan about them.

I'm American/Muslim and I am neutral to all of this. The far left is mostly vocal but they've given me far too much shit on talking about certain issues due to their fragile egos and are a mindhive of shattered glass. The far right thinks I am sub-human thanks to Zionist propaganda against Muslims/POC which has worked quite well in almost 2 decades plus which Kirk was advocating.

How many of you are non-white and have gone through racially based violence? I have and its dehumanizing. I know the lefties would still have empathy for me but could betray me any moment if I stepped a little to the right. And after watching Mehdi's show on the White Supremacists on Jubilee, I know exactly why I don't have sympathy for Kirk. For me he was a bought shill by Israel.

Personally, I give no fucks for either side. Have at it at each others throats, but why are our games being politicized by so many of you especially? Gaming is not the platform for war, let people have their opinions. And forcing others to empathize or mourn for someone who literally didn't want people like me to exist through discrimination or empathize for anyone outside of their own race is fascism in its own right. Everyone has their reasons and with Kirk's assassination I find myself in the middle of all this but definitely leaning left on the issue. You see its complex and some of you very American people do not think with caveats in mind outside of your own borders.

Also, to the dudes talking about Gays, Trans, Queers being pelted and thrown of buildings. In which countries out of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Iran (the most ideologically extremist Islamist countries) do you see this happen outside of occupational CIA/Mossad tributaries like ISIS being created? That's 3/57 of OIC states. Some of you really need to see Muslim countries that are not war torn and peaceful.

Also some AI stuff since I was curious:

'Number of plots/attacks / incidentsFrom 2015–2020: about 267 plots/attacks attributed to far-right extremists. Same period: about 66 incidents attributed to far-left extremists.
Fatalities / deathsIn that 2015–2020 window, the far right was linked to about 91 deaths in those plots/attacks. Far left: about 19 deaths in those incidents in the same period.
Longer-term trend (since 1990)Since 1990: far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides. One NIJ report cites 227 events by far-right extremists causing over 520 deaths. Same period: far-left extremists committed 42 attacks causing about 78 deaths.

Relative lethality, kinds of targets, types of violenceRight-wing extremist acts tend to be more deadly, more often using firearms, targeting civilians (minorities, religious targets, etc.), or making large scale attacks. Left-wing extremist incidents are more often less deadly, more likely to involve property damage, protests, clashes, smaller scale violence.

Based on multiple studies (NIJ, CSIS, START, etc.), far-right extremists are responsible for more incidents of political violence and far more deaths in ideologically motivated attacks in the U.S. in recent decades than far-left extremists.

The far left does commit violence, especially protests that turn violent, property damage, etc., but as a source of lethal, ideologically motivated extremist violence, it has been much less active compared to the far right.'

 

[Null Persp]

So every black guy/girl who says Trump is an idiot is racist as well? Interesting.

you forgot the memo, racism doesn't exists toward white people.

 

[Punished Miku]

It doesn't matter if you liked the guy or not. I personally dont like a lot of what he has said but he didn't deserve to die. That's the point. There is no ... bbbuuutttt he...

Unless someone is specifically talking about justifying his murder, that's not what they're talking about.

People are using this to whitewash his entire life like he is literally a saint, launder his views into the mainstream, refer to him as a moderate, and reframe politics to their advantage by cynically using his corpse as proof their views are normal. It's like a shock doctrine opportunity for the right to reframe everything they think as normal, and anyone who has ever criticized them as evil incarnate. Imagine how cynical you have to be to jump on that instantly. All of the left killed him, therefore they're all wrong and evil and horrible and should be policed and defunded and investigated with a RICO case like the mafia. And MAGA are just normal mainstream debaters who follow logic and peace and do nothing wrong.

This has almost nothing to do with his murder, the murderer which is still at large with no confirmed motive yet. And whatever his motive may be, isn't part of a collective guilt framework to implicate half the country. This is two sides debating politics, and that's it.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So every black guy/girl who says Trump is an idiot is racist as well? Interesting.

No, it is not. If you think saying black women are retarded and have been stealing jobs from white people is the same calling trump and idiot, I feel sorry for you.

The 'quote' presented was "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."

Please give the timestamp for where he says "Black women" in this video.

He did refer to black women with these words, and even then afterwards he said affirmative action would lead to untrained black pilots to fly planes. Because he believed black people are innately dumb.

Im saying she didnt achieve anything that warrants her to be famous, except being wife of 8years US president, tons of ppl got law degree and no1 knows about them, or cares about them, let her into politics, see how she does, till then we dont know, and we shouldnt praise her for something she didnt achieve.

And yet what Charlie Kirk said was nothing about being famous.

 

[PeteBull]

Since when did the yardstick for intellect and 'smartness' translate to fame?

'The others' include a Senator and a Supreme Court justice, each with sterling credentials.

So did she acheive something that warrnats her current fame or not, coz afaik she did not, there are tens of milions of smart ppl in the US, none famous so we know that to be famous/succesfull politican u need way more than just be smart, and so far Obama's wife isnt it.
Again- let her into politics, see if she can win some state that isnt super blue, hell we got presidential elections in 3 years, put her in democratic pre-elimanary against other candidates(which could have been done in 2016, 2020 and 2024 already)- see how she performs, then we can judge and praise her, so far nothing of that happened.

About other ppl- im not US citizen so bear with me for not really carring/knowing about them

 

[Three]

The drop coincides with Covid and lockdown pretty much. But I think we may be talking at cross purposes.

Oh good point, I don't know how I completely overlooked covid as a major factor.

What I'm saying is that if all guns vanished from the US tomorrow, Kirk is saying there would still be a portion of gun deaths. I supported that notion by saying even in the UK with our strong laws and border control we still get an average of 30 per year, so let's say we just do a direct adjustment (which isn't right as it takes no socioeconomic factors into regard like poverty, violent crime etc). This comes out at 150 deaths. So yeah a dramatic drop on the surface. Which leaves on average 44,000 deaths in the delta. His point is that those 44,000 deaths weighed against the liberty of 335 million people is worth the cost. Now, obviously people can disagree at this point, and there is where he complexity comes in. That 150 is not a 'real' number, it's an extrapolated number so we can have this discussion, but it doesn't take into account the US as a whole.

His choice of words are just poor but Kirk always showed very little empathy for other people and was proud of that fact. Imagine you had your kids killed in a shooting and somebody suggesting that their deaths are worth it so he could keep guns. I think stricter gun laws in the US would significantly reduce gun deaths. The UK and Europe has far less gun deaths but too many people want to keep their guns in the US. Gun deaths are deaths though, if you include offences like armed robbery then the statistics get worse. You brought up the "pointy weapon offences" statistics but you can't stop people from committing offences with pointy objects but you can for example try and reduce the number of cyclone knifes or machetes to prevent rising deaths or severe injury, those aren't death statistics and the US has bad knife crime too. I think compared to population those laws are mostly working as the knife deaths vs population has been decreasing.

The most notable issue is the gun trade across the US-Mexico border.

So if the gangs are arming themselves, the police need to remain armed. If gangs are armed then the black market for home pistols etc. would rise as well.

I'm not sure how easily aquired US guns making it to mexico has any effect on the US gun deaths issue. If anything the US having stricter gun laws would prevent this trade to mexico but the cat is already out of the bag. There would have to be a way to disarm slowly without taking it away from armed police. We have armed police in the UK with those gun laws so it's possible to have armed police fighting crime with those stricter gun laws in place already. Are you saying the US is benefiting from gun trade so would never give that up?

There is recreational shooting (gun clubs and hunting). I don't even think the 2A is really important to the discussion if I'm being honest. The above means that 150 is still likely to be much, much higher as the baseline figure. What that actually is just a thought experiment but the worst case headline Charlie Kirk is selling is 44,000 deaths versus the liberty of 345 million. I think a lot of people look outward and try to preach how america should govern itself but there are complexities out there that would just be alien to most of us. It's probably more accurate to say the US has a problem with inappropriate citizens owning guns.

Metric	% Increase or Change (2019 to 2023)
Mental health diagnoses (share of patients)	~ +40% (13.5% → 18.9%) fairhealth.org+1
Total firearm deaths	Rough rise from ~39,700 to 46,728 → ** +18%** The Global Statistics+1
Firearm death rate per 100,000	~12.2 → 14.2 → ** +16-20%** from 2019 to 2023 (depending on exact matching) obal Statistics+1

Again, there are safeguards that could go in there (like legislation) but ultimately I don't think if someone really, really wants a gun in the US they wouldn't get one from somewhere.

Inappropriate citizens exist everywhere, you can prevent them from mass killing by reducing access to things designed for mass killing people. We do this for the most mundane things already like chemical restrictions and explosives but guns designed to kill are safe only because of the second amendment. The rule of "freedom of 340M is worth 44000 deaths" isn't justified either because not only doesn't all 340M want that "freedom" but it's more how he represented his argument. it shows very little empathy for those affected by those gun deaths just so that the amount that actually does want guns can keep those guns with no intent to use and somehow not contributing to that statistic. It clearly shows no empathy when he says it's "worth it", and for what? Imagine somebody said "1,400 rapes are worth it for the liberty of 8 Billion people". There would be rioting on the streets.

While true, the reality is people aren't being stabbed with steak knives and scissors in any signficant number compared to street crime and gangs, and just assholes delinquents. You can look at any major city in the UK and ther results of amnesties which are just a tiny fraction of knives reclaimed

Are there any actual statistics of the weapon types used? The amnesties aren't exactly going to reclaim scissors and kitchen knifes.

 

[pudel]

you forgot the memo, racism doesn't exists toward white people.

Yeah...lol. Thats their biggest lie.

 

[Unknown?]

It's so funny is they just listen to the first reports of the media and people on the left hoping it was a right winger. It's like the Melissa Hortman murder. That guy was appointed to his position by a Democrat and was reappointed by Gov Walz. A nut who said that Walz told him to kill Democrats who opposed him. And funny how she was murdered immediately after voting against medical care for illegal immigrants. But is list mostly had Democrats so obviously he was a right winger.

Ya dude and those Trump assassins. Both were reported as right wingers but when you looked at the first one's online history, he was hardcore left. The second one had a Ukraine flag in his profile and all his actions were not that of a conservative right winger.


Buuuutttt the media said they were registered Republicans so they were right wing. What a joke!

 

[Topher]

Unfortunately, it's not.

What was quoted was not what he said. He did not say this about "black women". He used specific examples.

 

[Lokaum D+]

That's why I separate the art from the artist.

i guess you would have zero problem buying this piece since you "separate the art from the artist" right ? its from an infamous Austrian painter.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Don't you think its a bit extreme to boycott a game because of a single devs views though?
Isn't this the same as those saying we should boycott Hogwarts due to JK Rowlings views/opinions?

I think both are as stupid as each other (not condoning either by the way, I don't need to like what either have said, but its their opinion). Your first point is the one that is the most valid, most devs just don't care about politics within large studios, those that do care about politics are in the (vocal) minority and we would like to think that they were employed due to their technical ability not due to their race, colour, gender, political leanings or personal opinions (I'm sure some of that does go on though to be clear).

I personally (mostly) separate art from artist unless the artist has done something extremely illegal, even then its personal choice (some musicians have committed murder yet their music is still listened to). I, for example, do not agree with the hypocritical views of David Draiman, but I am going to watch Disturbed in October, and can't wait to do so (I watched them live when Down with Sickness was released and this is the 25th Anniversary so seems like the perfect time to see them again but my missus has never seem them live and its one of her favourite bands, they are touring with Megadeth who, for some reason, I have never seen live so bonus for me )

Wait Megadeth and Disturbed in one show, are you in the states or is this across the pond? I missed Megadeth in 2023 as it was on our wedding day. Last time I seen them was in 1998... so a long time ago (man I feel old writing that). My wife loves disturbed, and I like them but not I need to see them type thing.

 

[Topher]

This topic in a nutshell:

"Charlie never said that! you are misquoting him! he was a great person!"

* evidence is shown*

people:

Some people can't see the truth even when it's right there lmao.

He didn't say "black women"...like what he said was any better lmao. Look at the undertone of his speech dude. He said "black women" without saying it. He named countless black women to get to his point across for a reason.

If we are going to talk about "truth" then probably should quote exactly what was said.

 

[Jaybe]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

 

[Radical_3d]

what are your thoughts about this one ? it's was painted by an infamous Austrian painter, would you buy it ?

No! Look at how the shadow of the building affects the people that touches it, making for a non realistic sense of lightning. He should have learned more about raytracing. EXPELL THIS GUY FROM THE ART ACADEMY!!

 

[calico]

He did refer to...

So you acknowledge he did not SAY the words he was falsely quoted as SAYING? Thank you.

As to your argument that the words he did say mean the same thing as the false quote: they don't, hence why they were changed for something which sounds worse.

The thing is, once you learn to anticipate that leftists -and especially leftist media- will lie almost every time they say anything as long as it helps their cause, these tricks don't really work.

 

[Kacho]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

That's not gonna be good for Digital Foundry comment sections

 

[RoboFu]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

let the idiots be seen.. lots of them getting fired and shamed.

 

[Lord Malachite]

It is funny where people draw the line when it comes to boycotting. We choose to ignore products that are often produced under very inhumane conditions. Whether it is our electronics, clothes, or food. Child work and slave labor is abundant. Most of us don't think about because it is convenient not to. But, all it takes is a single person from a company posting an offensive joke on social media for everyone to freak out and decide to boycott

A lot of products manufactured under inhumane conditions are necessities. Clothing is a huge example. Many people cannot afford to buy clothing produced under fair labor conditions. Food is another big culprit.

Absolutely no one needs a video game. It is the easiest thing in the world to find alternative methods of entertainment. A great deal of gamers have a ton of titles they haven't even played, bought on cheap sales from various storefronts or even physically. There are many other ways to spend one's time than gaming. The industry as a whole offers nothing of necessity.

I never said I'm boycotting Sony entirely, cancelling my relationship with them, throwing out my hardware. This situation is just a tipping point for me personally and is making me realize that I can do other things with my money. I'm not quitting gaming because someone made a man tweet. I'm just making a decision to focus a lot more on my backlog, greatly scale back my purchases, and put my money into other endeavors.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

What was quoted was not what he said. He did not say this about "black women". He used specific examples.

The complete rant, if you listen to it, is about him complaining that affirmative action leads to dumb and untrained people to jobs of responsability. It applies to all black woman and men because he believed they're born dumber than white folk. The man even stanned for people who believed slavery was good and christian.

That's not gonna be good for Digital Foundry comment sections

Woof. Such a bad take.

 

[wolffy66]

Many of his opinions were deeply rooted in his Christian belief. The irony in people using them as some sort of justification for his murder is that quite literally billions of people around the world believe in the same things. Not just Christians, but Muslims too.

A recurring sentiment i've seen online is "why are we crying about a white guy with bad opinions being killed but no one is speaking out about dead Palestinians?" I would suspect that Kirk and your average Palestinian probably shared more beliefs than some would like to admit. But leftist empathy is very selective, often contradictory, and seems to almost rely solely on skin color. This is why we end up seeing baffling ideological concoctions like "Queers for Palestine".

Ironically just before his death, Kirk was starting to be more critical of Israel's actions. I'm not mentioning this from a conspiratorial angle, moreso that leftists are gleefully celebrating the murder of someone who potentially could've been a moderating voice or even temporary ally on that specific issue.

I dont know you or how you truly feel about either incident but your post seems highly

No, you are not a bad person I agree with you, but us agreeing is not stopping this . Maybe more people like you reacting when it got normalised from the left would have helped though. Genie is out of the bottle and people will use cheap tools that work.

It is a bigger societal reckoning that needs to happen on this matter.

Theres kind of a fine line when saying outrageous stuff online. Yeah you should be able to say it but people have the right to distance themselves from you.

If you ran a small business and some guy was saying stuff to customers that was making them mad you would probably want to get rid of him.

But its hard to say if the internet is an employee saying things to customers or if its totally independent of your business.

If the customer decides that your employee is is in fact speaking to them where does that leave you as the employer? You just say theyre wrong? You sufer the lost business? Or do you try to regulate what people in your employ say publicly. Its a mess imo

 

[Kacho]

Wokies can't see two feet in front of them. It's fascinating.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

 

[Radical_3d]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

 

[wa600]

I have really no strong opinion in the Israel vs Palestine as I have no real interest in it, and won't part with either side.

But, and this is only my knowledge from the media, Isn't Palestine the country where people get killed for being gay/trans?
And the left and lgbt+ community are cheering for Palestine?

Is this correct, or is it just propaganda/fake news?

That is pretty much correct. I am following the Eurovision community since 15+ years. I would assume at least 70-80% of the hardcore Eurovision fans are LGBT+ and in general the community is very leftist. The vast portion of this community hates Israel with a passion and supports Palestine. The last two years there have been witch hunts the moment they realize one eurovision influencer is in favor of the israeli song or artist or tries defending them. They were also very much in favour in throwing out Israel from the contest since Oct. 2023 and might even succeed next year.

A big portion of the lgbt+ community sees themselves as 'victims of society' or lets say having disadvantages in society (not sure how to phrase it) which is possibly why they sympathize or basically see themselves like Palestinians.
A good chunk of the Left views the world through this oppressor-oppressed template. Palestine is the oppressed which is why nothing that happened in the last 100 years in this region is their fault and everything is the fault of the colonizing 'Zionists'. This is also a reason why many people see Oct 7th as justified. (And lets be real, there are tons of people who also see the assasination of Charlie Kirk as justified, but its not as socially accepted, which is why the vast majority tends to joke about it instead of directly saying it out loud.)

There is this Israeli youtuber asking both Israelis and Palestinians (in East-Jerusalem) questions the viewers send them. Palestinians do actually get asked how they feel about lgbt+ people etc supporting. Some people do say they are happy about any support while others say they dont want their support. When asked if anyone of these people would support the lgbt-cause they are clearly opposing the support of the other side.
Its actually very bizarre how obesessed huge parts of the lgbt+ community are with people who basically want them to not have any rights.

 

[pudel]

Dictator found his princess! Cute!

 

[Mattyp]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

Yep looks like what I expect a Digital foundry cuck to look like.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

Someone needs to notify Asmon about this

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What was quoted was not what he said. He did not say this about "black women". He used specific examples.

 

[Kacho]

Someone needs to notify Asmon about this

His subreddit feeds him all of this.

 

[Harlock]

Probably some Xbox game studio is already hiring this person.

 

[vodka-bull]

Also, to the dudes talking about Gays, Trans, Queers being pelted and thrown of buildings. In which countries out of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Iran (the most ideologically extremist Islamist countries) do you see this happen outside of occupational CIA/Mossad tributaries like ISIS being created? That's 3/57 of OIC states. Some of you really need to see Muslim countries that are not war torn and peaceful.

I saw a lot of them, none of them were functioning societies.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Topher]

The complete rant, if you listen to it, is about him complaining that affirmative action leads to dumb and untrained people to jobs of responsability. It applies to all black woman and men because he believed they're born dumber than white folk. The man even stanned for people who believed slavery was good and christian.

I watched the video and I know what he said. Factually, nothing said was applied "to all black women and men".

 

[roosnam1980]

 

[Gonzito]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

He might be a tech savvy and smart when it comes to technical stuff but what a fucking retard idiot for making that comment.

Yeah Digital Foundry is done

 

[RCX]

For a depressing number of people: murder = justice, apparently

Truly revolting individuals.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

Who's Drew? Context?

 

[coachmcguirk91]

From the specific segment you are referencing:

"I'm not qualifying it [the attack]. I think it's awful. It's not right."

"We don't support political violence; we denounce political violence."

"I want to reiterate, for all the degenerates that are watching, that cover our story: we do not endorse political violence. We're a movement of peace, and of love, and of truth, and we hope Paul Pelosi recovers."

Where is anything equivalent to that in this example? She is clearly implying she approves of this attack and the assassination of Brian Thompson, and when later (supposedly) getting fired for this comment, she confirms her intent by stating that she was 'taking a stand against fascism' and that she would do the same thing again in future.

The main point of the Charlie Kirk segment is 'please don't associate that nutjob with us' (pretty much the opposite of 'celebrating the assassin'), whereas she is positioning the assassins as allies of hers in her 'fight against fascism'.

Best case scenario, Charlie Kirk was joking calling the suspect a Patriot and asking his followers to bail him out. I don't believe that, and I find it far more likely sponsors and producers were telling him to stop inciting potential political violence and issue a statement making that clear

This whole thread got started because of a tasteless joke. "I hope the guys name is Mario so Luigi knows his bro got his back". Before the developer doubled down, people here wanted the developer fired and canceled. If the developer apologized and took the tweet down would that have sufficed? I am guessing not

 

[Topher]

Who's Drew? Context?

The dev that celebrated Kirk's death

 

[kruis]

Alex Battaglia from Digital Foundry:

Do you have a direct link to that post?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Bro Michelle Obama majored in Sociology, got a Law degree and worked as an associate lawyer and then got into public life. All this before Obama got into politics. Saying she lacks brain power is profoundly racist.

Saying an intelligent person isn't intelligent is not racist. Being wrong is not racist.

 

[geary]

That's not gonna be good for Digital Foundry comment sections

How fucking hard is to mind your own business. These clowns a searching for drama and this time might not like what they find.