splattered
Member
I mean it was brought directly to his attention and within 2 hours they posted statement confirming they are performing internal investigations... and you are going to turn that into a negative because "Microsoft Bad" ?
Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement
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I mean it was brought directly to his attention and within 2 hours they posted statement confirming they are performing internal investigations... and you are going to turn that into a negative because "Microsoft Bad" ?
yurinka
Member
You are missing that it isn't sympathy for the guy, many people like me didn't know anything about him before he got murdered. For the little things I saw, in my case pretty likely disagree with things he really said or thought, while agree in other things he said or did.
It's being against being violent with who has different views, and against -specially publicly- cheering or wishing violence against them.
They are companies with thousands of employees and stockholders, and millions of customers from all around the world, which includes people with all kind of political/religious/cultural/national views.
So they must be neutral and respectful with the different sides regarding politics, religion, etc. in a common ground where everybody is ok, having common sense basic ethics and rules that are agreed by any sane people.
Which in this case is 'violence against somebody just because thinks differently is bad, and to publicly cheer and wish it too'.
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BlueManifest
Member
It's easy to take a 10-30 second clip of what someone said to make anything look a certain way, that should never be done, you need to see what was said before and after
Its very manipulative misinformation and that's almost what's always posted online now, just part of the story not the full story
Example, I could say I stole something from a npc in a game then someone would cut out the game part I mentioned and just have me saying I stole something a lot of videos of Kirk were done this way
So people see these short clips that are manipulated and taken out of a full story, call him a bigot, then that stays with them forever and they never change their mind
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LordOcidax
Member
What? This is a really big news in my country also in Europe and he was well know here too. Looks like the one living in a bubble is you.
coachmcguirk91
Member
I was not softening shit. The previous poster claimed Kirk was a political figure who sought common ground. Kirk was never open to changing his mind. That is a ridiculous statement and is rewriting history
Saying blacks were better off during the Jim Crowe era and the Civil Rights act was mistake is a divisive opinion. You can agree with it, but it doesn't make it not divisive
Kirk can do whatever he chooses if his 10 year old daughter was impregnated, but he believes it should be illegal for EVERY 10 year old child to be given the option of an abortion. That is a massively divisive opinion
There is a huge irony of everybody rightfully condemning the people who are celebrating or mocking the assassination of Kirk, but not acknowledging that Kirk was guilty of the exact same thing. Kirk called the assassination suspect of a Nancy Pelosi's husband a patriot and joked that his supporters should help bail him out of jail. The hypocrisy of many people here is unreal
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splattered
Member
This thread gives me a little more hope for humanity, thank you.
I was i guess ok with charlie kirk though i didnt agree with some of his viewpoints... never a big fan just neutral really.
The amount of laughing and cheering and dehumanizing i've seen from the left leaning public online since this happened has really bothered me this week.
He was a husband and a father that never hurt anyone physically, who fucking cares if he said things you didn't agree with?
This week almost made me feel kind of hopeless for our current youth, they are so fucking radicalized and brainwashed it makes me sick.
I was i guess ok with charlie kirk though i didnt agree with some of his viewpoints... never a big fan just neutral really.
The amount of laughing and cheering and dehumanizing i've seen from the left leaning public online since this happened has really bothered me this week.
He was a husband and a father that never hurt anyone physically, who fucking cares if he said things you didn't agree with?
This week almost made me feel kind of hopeless for our current youth, they are so fucking radicalized and brainwashed it makes me sick.
coachmcguirk91
Member
If they were assassinated, I wouldn't rewrite history and say these people were not divisive. That would be absurd
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splattered
Member
Dude educated BLACKS are saying that shit, not just Charlie... pull your head out of your ass already.
I've seen tons of blacks online saying the civil rights movement, welfare, dei, all of it is a huge mistake and that the black community need to wake up and move past it.
This wasn't just some "divisive" white kid spreading hate.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Just because you believe he is right does not make it not a divisive opinion. Looney toons
Topher
Identifies as young
Wrong. He called for a "patriot" to bail the suspect out so he could be questioned. He never called the suspect himself a "patriot". I don't agree with what Kirk said there, but if you are going to start yapping about hypocrisy then at least get it right.
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Gonzito
Gold Member
Nobody should kill anybody. Period
There is no more conversation to be had about this subject. You didn't like the guy, fine. He should not be dead even if he was an asshole or said this or said that. This is not the way we should do things in a civilized society, we are not animals.
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Anti free speeech and cancel culture crowd now embraces free spech (only for them though) and calls out cancel culture. Ironic
transformer
Member
The free speech crowd is getting attacked and assassinated by the non-free speech crowd. Those supporting and celebrating this violence actually still have their free speech. No one is killing them for speaking out. They get to say whatever they want. Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequence. If I told off my boss, I'd probably get fired. Rightfully so. Similarly, if I openly supported terrorism as these people are, I would also get fired. And rightfully so.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
The dude hasn't heard about something called 'the world wide web' where American videos have a big spread around the world on this tiny website called youtube.
splattered
Member
Dude what the hell are you even saying? Do you hear yourself ever? At all?
PeteBull
Member
Yup, there were multiple articles even here in poland on leftists tv stations/their sites (ofc all in polish). Thats just one such a site(national tv, very leftist, think cnn but even more leaning towards EU agenda, full support for alphabet ppl/transformers, green energy at all cost, uncontrolled migration from all possible shitholes etc):
Wdowa po Kirku w „odezwie do narodu”. „Nie macie pojęcia, co wywołaliście”
Erika Kirk, wdowa po zastrzelonym republikańskim działaczu Charliem Kirku, wygłosiła przemówienie nazwane „odezwą do narodu”, w którym zobowiązała się do kontynuowania...
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Nie ma zgody europarlamentu na upamiętnienie Kirka minutą ciszy
Kierownictwo Parlamentu Europejskiego odrzuciło wniosek frakcji Europejskich Konserwatystów i Reformatorów o minutę ciszy w związku ze śmiercią Charliego Kirka. Fakt ten został...
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Prezydent Trump ogłosił zatrzymanie zabójcy Charlie'ego Kirka
Prezydent Stanów Zjednoczonych Donald Trump poinformował w piątek w wywiadzie dla stacji Fox News, że służby schwytały sprawcę zamachu na Charliego Kirka. – Z dużą dozą pewności...
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Charlie Kirk nie żyje. Podejrzany o zabójstwo zwolniony z aresztu
Znany działacz związanego z Donaldem Trumpem ruchu MAGA, Charlie Kirk, został postrzelony podczas wystąpienia na uniwersytecie w Utah. Prezydent Donald Trump poinformował, że mężczyzna zmarł....
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Topher
Identifies as young
Renouncing freedom of speech would be taking a gun and shooting these people in order to silence their celebration of Kirk's death. What "crowd" is doing that?
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The saddest part of this is if Charlie would have survived, his methods wouldn't have changed and it would have brought over more people to his cause.
The brainwashed radicalized are a small minority that shout very large. And after this there movement will lose a ton of support. I have a coworker (mid-40s) who was in the lefty camp and came out as none binary and did the who they/them stuff. As about a year and a half he switched away and is probably more right wing than Charlie Kirk. He saw the hate and radicalization had some introspective looks and reformed his world view and this was over a year ago. With what happened here, many more young people will hopefully turn away from all the hate. And that's before you consider that the end of Gen Z and a large chunk of Gen Alpha have very conservative values.
As I said before freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequence. Freedom of speech also only covers the government. Look at the UK jailing people for "hate" speech online.
Seeing the people who embraced cancel culture consumed by the monster they created is invokes feelings of Schadenfreude.
MarV0
Member
Have people really forgotten what cancel culture was? It was purely fabricated claims by mostly bitter women in order to ruin mens lives, their slogan was #believeallwomen with zero evidence and due process.
The idiots losing their jobs the past couple of days are out in the open posting heinous stuff. They provide all the evidence necessary to get fired by themselves like dumb fucks.
TheChadOfGaming
Member
One side is cancelling white people for selling tacos and the other for justifying and celebrating murder. Big difference
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Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
Divisive is a subjective opinion. That he was shot for his ideology is not. The guy is being grossly depicted with the only purpose of dehumanizing him and justify his assassination, so this point needs a clarification, which you call "rewrite history". In a sane world, people on both sides of the spectrum would not even argue this.
And the worst is yet to come. The shitshow we will read about his wife will top whatever is being said right now.
WellSheet
Member
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Sadly, while in principle I'd agree with you, one side played by a different set of rules and mores; this has been shifting for a few years, but after this situation, I think the "high ground" approach with regards to this is warranted to NOT be taken. This is the game leftists want to play, just like they did with the Lawfare bullshit in 2023-2024, then the other side will use those same manipulations and techniques.
As an aside - I think the real telling element when people say what you're saying and pointing out the "irony" is that it's like a soft acknowledging that "yeah, we wanted to cancel or censor or deplatfrom you for your thoughts/speexh/ideas but we were justified" - but now an "eye for an eye" is being instituted and you guys will somehow try an "gotcha" by trying to say "guess you aren't so moral anymore?".
Your side never was, never wanted to be, so now you'll reap you sow.
(You is being used in the royal sense, but I assume it actually could be you)
Sadly, while in principle I'd agree with you, one side played by a different set of rules and mores; this has been shifting for a few years, but after this situation, I think the "high ground" approach with regards to this is warranted to NOT be taken. This is the game leftists want to play, just like they did with the Lawfare bullshit in 2023-2024, then the other side will use those same manipulations and techniques.
As an aside - I think the real telling element when people say what you're saying and pointing out the "irony" is that it's like a soft acknowledging that "yeah, we wanted to cancel or censor or deplatfrom you for your thoughts/speexh/ideas but we were justified" - but now an "eye for an eye" is being instituted and you guys will somehow try an "gotcha" by trying to say "guess you aren't so moral anymore?".
Your side never was, never wanted to be, so now you'll reap you sow.
(You is being used in the royal sense, but I assume it actually could be you)
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Ishma3L
Gold Member
Because what's at stake here is the opportunity of discourse between two discordant ideologies. By claiming ones view (e.g., political ideology) is "right" (as in better), or "more right" (the better option) you've already lost the plot because "right" means different things to different people. Idiosyncrasies and nuance.
Taken to the extreme extent - I'm so "right" that I have justification to kill someone no matter what side of the ideological/political spectrum your on is.... well.... indicative of someone who lacks intelligence, full stop.
In a democracy, people share their ideologies, discuss them, and vote to elect those that reflect those beliefs. I'm not saying that's how it works in practice, but that was the idea.
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WellSheet
Member
Let's hope we never have that conversation,
but the fact that he WAS is reality, and you're sitting here making opinionated statements and trying to parse them out as fact; that "well he was provocateur and divisive (subjective not objective claims) so there was level of merit to what happened".
That's how your statement read.
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VGA-Games
Member
This has been brewing a long time. This was the moment I left ResetEra and returned to GAF.
Can physical violence in response to political beliefs ever be morally justified?
I had an Account on ResetEra. It was during the BlackLivesMatter Time.
The People were demonstrating for Peace, Justice and more Rights for Black People which was absolutely fine. But then these People were demonstrating by being violent in New York. They destroyed the Window of the Nintendo New York Store, and Cars on Streets, and alot more while demonstrating for Peace, Justice and more Rights for Black People.
Then I said on ResetEra that I personally don't think it's right to destroy other Peoples things especially when you're demonstrating for Peace and Justice, and that they should instead demonstrate in Peace and Respectfully without destroying New York.
After posting this I got instantly permanent Banned for being a Racist.
This was the Moment I realized that ResetEra is full of Extremists.
WellSheet
Member
I heard Batya say on Pier Morgan yesterday that the real and eye-opening admission when people try and "both sides" the political violence and extremism discussion happening today- (leftists trying to water down their side)- that not one city, town etc was worried that the right would up and start rioting the loss over Charlie.
If this was someone of equal prominence and power on the left assassinated by someone you bet there'd be riots and violence in response.
If this was someone of equal prominence and power on the left assassinated by someone you bet there'd be riots and violence in response.
Haint
Member
LOLNO. There's maybe like 5 or 10 people out of the 200+ who don't support the celebratory commentary on at least some level, all the major tech and creative companies are dominated by the same demographic, across the board, by an overwhelming super majority. All of Sony's studios staged a coup and mass walkout when Jimbob Ryan sent a benign ass memo politely asking them to respect each other on abortion. They haven't released a statement cause they absolutely do NOT want to unless a high level bean counter deems the financial risk too great and a high level Sony corp executive makes them.
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BlueManifest
Member
I was there too, I got banned for saying Elon cutting goverment waste could be a good thing, not even an extreme take or anything
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Obviously that shouldn't be ban-worthy.
It's a shame that DOGE turned out to be mostly a scam (and, btw, a huge info security risk), including trying to cut things folks didn't personally agree with, even if they had been legally funded by Congress.
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BlueManifest
Member
I don't think it was scam, he just wasn't able to cut as much as he thought, plus the cuts they did do weren't even ever voted in like they were supposed to be
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Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
You should have specified that he was going to cut nazi things.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's the first time I'm seeing the initial TMZ video. How is the celebration in the other room supposed to be about a "car chase"? That doesn't make any sense.
WellSheet
Member
I agree to a point - the DOGE cuts, lot of them didn't need bills to stop them from being spent or continuing contracts or agreements - large amounts are at the federal (Trump) power to just stop.
Adding in legislation takes time - it sucks because all these stupid politicians vow for "day one" bullshit they can't or won't enact, but a lot of the stuff Elon brought to light would need legislation and that wasn't the type of budget/bill that was being passed in July.
I'm still optimistic we will see a lot of it come to pass, but may not even be during Trump's term.
I've seen someone doing a timestamped comparison with both the footage of the stream and the car chase. The car chase was still going on when they were cheering.
This explanation in general makes no sense. People dont cheer like this when watching a car chase unless its something you are super invested in for some reason.
alabtrosMyster
Member
Everybody I know who is on the left was completely absorbed by this and they say the most disgraceful things.
Yesterday I was with the family, there was a long dicsussion about him and how hateful he was, these people were clearly reached by the counter propaganda, some going as far as saying that the killer was sent by Trump to distract the population from something big that was about to happen.
I did my best not to join the conversation, Charlie was much more conservative than me, and I think he got killed because that frustrated the left activists that they could not find a good angle of approach to his arguments. Also, obviously he might have made a big difference in favor of Trump.
Some people on the local radio jokingly announced his death by saying (before anything else) "there is someone who will not be doing any public events anymore", then laughing... then saying he got shot.
In a lot of the mainstream media here (somehow this gets a lot of attention) "experts" in extremism, which appear to be extremists themselves, point the finger at him for radicalizing the shooter (somehow). They never explain their methodolygy, trust the experts they say.
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LordOcidax
Member
He probably live in a socialist country.
Did I just spot the biggest psychopath of them all? She watched a 1-min compilation of Charlie Kirk and now wants that people not stop with him, but to get rid of them all. She also wants that someone gets rid off Charlie's wife and his kids. Even the grandma she wouldnt spare. She might be trolling, but its certainly not something to make fun of.
Lokaum D+
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
That or under a rock in Bikini Bottom.
I remember the need to tip toe around here to not end up banned for well over a year. Then the other site was created, I spent a week or two seeing how things were going to settle and never made an account.
For all we have to say about ResetEra, all of that was here when those mods were in control. While it's not impossible to be banned from here. @EvilLore deserves a ton of props for maintaining a site that allows debate instead of becoming an echo chamber for any one side.
yurinka
Member
The free speech crowd is saying to the violent and anti free speech crowd that headshotting people who disagrees with you is bad and contrary to free speech.
Maybe we'll needed Sesame Street to explain it more effectively to certain kind of people.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
If you watch the video. The car chase reporter, reported Charlie's death and that is Wren they cheered.
Ask yourself when any women has been that excited from watching a cat chase ?
FalsettoVibe
Member
No it isn't. General gamers are not waiting for an apology. They don't owe you anything and firing that person was statement enough. If they came out and said that we fired this person because they violated some predefined rules we established at hire, would that be enough for you? I highly doubt it, because you and others in this thread want them to take a particular stance.....your stance.
From a business perspective, they shouldn't say anything anyway because whatever they say is going to piss one or the other side off. You got people here wanting to cancel them for no statement, and people on the other side (era, etc) who are pissed because they fired the person and are claiming they will never buy a game again.
You say nothing and let this crap blow over. Will their still be a small amount of people that want to "cancel" them by not purchasing their products anymore? Sure. Plenty of those here. But generally outside of your circle, and forums like this one, it's not that deep.
This is on the other thread, but to put to rest that the murderer was somehow a conservative. His parents already said he was recently radicalized.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-ne...yler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
DrFigs
Member
Clearly he was radicalized. I think rn the smart money is on the far right. But I don't see the quote in this article from his parents.
If the transgender girlfriend thing turns out to be true, then i'd just say that i am wrong. but it sounds insane. in Utah, from a mormon family. I just don't believe it.
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p_xavier
Authorized Fister
Price dropped to 50$ with the PSone gen though. Was tough justifying a N64. I didn't keep mine.