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[ecosse_011172]

The comical thing is that several of the upper images are retouched to fuck.

It seems to be that some people want every character in their entertainment to be their idea of gorgeous whereas many others either don't care or are happy to see realistic looking people in their entertainment.
That's the difference.

To me, it's often hard to take things seriously when say, every single person in a show looks ridiculously gorgeous with insanely fit bodies etc.
Your average stockbroker does not look like Leonardo DiCaprio and Matthew Mconaughy.

People also like to see themselves represented onscreen, especially in aspirational roles. If you're a brown-skinned American and every thing you ever see onscreen is filled with Sydney Sweeney clones then it's not going to feel great or remotely like real life.
Most Americans are fat, almost half are obese and you're supposed to take something seriously when every single character has a six-pack..


So yeah, 2 different viewpoints.
1. Endless fantasy
2. Some realism

 

[Sethbacca]

Who cares about realism? Character design should be driven by the artist's vision and nothing else.

The people that complain about women beating up 100 dudes suddenly don't care about realism because tits.

I dunno, I'm just of the opinion that catering to soulless vapid cosmetic nonsense ruins art. Video killed the radio star and all that. How much talent do we miss out on because someone doesn't fit a Hollywood template?

I feel like half this forum would rather have a literal pile of shit with big tits over a fun and fully functional videogame, and it's just ridiculous to me that most of you can be swayed so easily by a pair of fake tits and an attractive skin. But it's you guys money and lives, so live it up I guess. If your game isn't worth playing without tits in my face then I'm certainly not spending money on it.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I've never played a video game character I want to fuck so it doesn't matter to me.

Me neither, although last night when Lae-Zel got her kit off it was the closest

 

[Critical Hit]

The other 200 million gamers are utterly oblivious.

Name one game with ugly/unattractive female protagonist that sold 200 million copes.

 

[TintoConCasera]

The people that complain about women beating up 100 dudes suddenly don't care about realism because tits.

I dunno, I'm just of the opinion that catering to soulless vapid cosmetic nonsense ruins art. Video killed the radio star and all that. How much talent do we miss out on because someone doesn't fit a Hollywood template?

That's your opinion and it's cool. But the artists should be able to have their own opinions too without anyone trying to censor them.

I feel like half this forum would rather have a literal pile of shit with big tits over a fun and fully functional videogame, and it's just ridiculous to me that most of you can be swayed so easily by a fair of fake tits and an attractive skin. But it's you guys money and lives, so live it up I guess. If your game isn't worth playing without tits in my face then I'm certainly not spending money on it.

I feel like you are exaggerating there, at least when it comes to me. I believe gameplay comes first, of course lol, but an enticing female design isn't going to detract from that. An ugly one probably won't either, but if can choose, I'll go with the attractive one.

Has there been any game with hot characters but shit gameplay that has been a success?

 

[Sethbacca]

Name one game with ugly/unattractive female protagonist that sold 200 million copes.

There are literally only 2 games ever that have sold over 200 million copies according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

What's your point. You're choosing the weirdest fucking hills to die on out here.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Mommy milkers

Bong bong bazongas

 

[Chittagong]

I love ass and boobs and they are totally in place in something like Stellar Blade or Bayonetta, but for something that attempts to be at least a bit period accurate in Japan where women were wrapped in massive kimonos, the thirsty design looks dumb.

 

[falling into hell]

I'm not buying games just because they have a sexy female character but it helps when female characters actually look like woman and not like dudes wearing woman's cloth. Today games are way more expensive than before, so I'm more selective which games I buy.

I definitely won't pay money for woke nonsense.

 

[Sethbacca]

That's your opinion and it's cool. But the artists should be able to have their own opinions too without anyone trying to censor them.


I feel like you are exaggerating there, at least when it comes to me. I believe gameplay comes first, of course lol, but an enticing female design isn't going to detract from that. An ugly one probably won't either, but if can choose, I'll go with the attractive one.

Has there been any game with hot characters but shit gameplay that has been a success?

Yeah I'm not calling out you specifically, more the general attitude of similar peeps out here. It was meant to be more of a generalization, so I take your point. This idea that artists should be able to have their own opinions also applies when all of you guys want them to change what they're doing to suit your aesthetic desires.

There's a place for both Stellar Blade and Ghost of Yotei in the industry, and the ERA folks shouldn't be trying to get Stellar Blade turned into Yotei, and people here should stop being miserable cunts every time a character shows up that they don't like. It's that simple.

The discourse around this game for months was fucking asinine, and when the game finally drops literally none of the problems 1/3rd of the board were bitching and moaning about multiple times daily in every single thread mattered because the game is fantastic. More people need to let the games speak for themselves.

 

[Fbh]

The people who constantly whine whenever a game has a female character that isn't some half naked chick with massive tits and ass are really cringy, they are like the living embodiment of the gamer stereotype you'd see on some episode of CSI.
The design on the right of that image looks ridiculous and would feel really out of place in the game.

But I DO think that character design is important. I think most people want to play as characters they find appealing, though that doesn't exclusively mean in terms of sex appeal. It can also be characters that look "cool" or badass, or cute, sexy, fun, etc.
I don't have a problem with the way Atsu looks, I think it fits the world and story perfectly. But I do actually think Sony focusing so much on plain and/or "non conventionally attractive" characters with an overly serious personality is part of the reason they have struggled to create a lot of iconic fan favorite characters after the Ps3.

 

[Odinnii]

Not every game needs fanservice, but im not spending my money on games with this trash

Like wtf is even that on the top left

 

[Critical Hit]

There are literally only 2 games ever that have sold over 200 million copies according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

What's your point. You're choosing the weirdest fucking hills to die on out here.

Can you find a game with an unattractive female protagonist on your list? No? That's my point.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Yes because it'll either make the game more likable/appealing, and at the very least it won't hurt as there's no negative to this.

It's mostly the face and personality which matters more. Bigger breasts matters less but it doesn't hurt.

Prettier/hotter characters does attract more people not just in games but for everything else, it's just common sense. And this is coming from someone who don't always need big breasted supermodels in my games but still know that's how things are.

 

[ozz ex machina]

I've never played a video game character I want to fuck so it doesn't matter to me.

Same. And the amount of people who were upset about ellie being unfuckable in the tlou tv show really confused me. I didn't realise how many people were desperately horny for the vulnerable young teenager you protect like a daughter throughout a videogame.

 

[Loomy]

That's your opinion and it's cool. But the artists should be able to have their own opinions too without anyone trying to censor them.

Yeah but that goes both ways, right?

If an artist and director decides to create a character that doesn't look like Eve or 2B, then people moan about "uglification of video game women". Shouldn't the artists decision and expression of that decision be respected regardless of what the character looks like?

 

[crackajack]

It does not need to be a true bimbo look always. Whatever fits the seriousness of the world. So the example pic is definitely way too much for a supposed kinda serious and accurate game set in old japan. That woman on the left does not look terrible at all imho. But uglification of too many females went too far, while hot dudes were kept and that is just weird from (western, excl eastern european) devs.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

The girl on the left isn't "ugly" though. Do we want characters who are attractive? Yes. Doesn't mean they have to have massive boobs.

Yes, we want them to be beautiful, feminine, charismatic and noble.

 

[Humdinger]

No, slapping double Ds on your character model does not make your game better. It may make your game worse.

However, making your character pleasant to look at - not "sexy," necessarily, just nice to look at - will make your game more enjoyable. People like looking at things they find pleasant to look at. No mystery there. But it doesn't have to be a caricature or a sexpot. It just has to be nice to look at, that's all.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I think there might be a middle ground between ideology infused, forced uglyness and fap material. Or maybe that's just me.

 

[ecosse_011172]

If the real world had such a limited definition of "attractive", the human race would have died out a long time ago.

 

[pudel]

I think there might be a middle ground between ideology infused, forced uglyness and fap material. Or maybe that's just me.

Yeah, I think the asian devs often overdoing it. But when in my office at least 5 girls running around who are hotter than any western AAA main character nowadays...than something is terribly wrong.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

worst thing about that pic is actually the text claiming it would only take 5 minutes; no, changing a model that much would take many hours, many more if you already had it rigged.

 

[March Climber]

Why is Sydney Sweeney a more popular actress than Bella Ramsey? Is she a much better actress?

Zendaya is potentially 2x or 3x more popular than Sydney Sweeney yet quite a few here loathe her or consider her to be average-looking.

I like the concept of your example, but the statement itself is flawed once you think about other actors.

It's just another example of the bubble here.

Edit: And to the OP, a designer can overcome the sexy complaint by following the rule of cool. Make the character cool enough and it overrides other aspects.

I think an issue is that a few characters out there are being designed as both lame/bland and 'unattractive' at the same time, so they're missing an upside. This leans more into a writing issue though and that also happens with movies and TV.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Yeah but that goes both ways, right?

If an artist and director decides to create a character that doesn't look like Eve or 2B, then people moan about "uglification of video game women". Shouldn't the artists decision and expression of that decision be respected regardless of what the character looks like?

They can do what they want as an artist, I don't claim for censoring ugly characters.

But I, as a consumer, won't be buying those games.

 

[geary]

The quality of topics on this forum increases with each day.

 

[Laptop1991]

If your playing in 1st person mode then no, not really, if it's 3rd person then it might with some gamers!.

 

[simpatico]

This is the stupid section of the anti woke gaming web. At least for me. Never was a booba gamer. At its most extreme, it makes me less interested in a game.

 

[analog_future]

Why is Sydney Sweeney a more popular actress than Bella Ramsey? Is she a much better actress?

Yeah, we should probably push Willem Dafoe out of the industry as well and replace him with Sam Worthington

 

[ecosse_011172]

Zendaya is potentially 2x or 3x more popular than Sydney Sweeney yet quite a few here loathe her or consider her to be average-looking.

I like the concept of your example, but the statement itself is flawed once you think about other actors.

It's just another example of the bubble here.

or gtf.

 

[djjinx2]

There are 50 shades of tits before going from flat to absurdly big.

I don't think people are asking for pamela anderson in every game.

If said games involve wiggling sticks, I'd want peak Pammy to be front and centre.

She's the one for the job

 

[March Climber]

or gtf.

I don't know what this means.

 

[GymWolf]

Zendaya is potentially 2x or 3x more popular than Sydney Sweeney yet quite a few here loathe her or consider her to be average-looking.

I like the concept of your example, but the statement itself is flawed once you think about other actors.

It's just another example of the bubble here.

Edit: And to the OP, a designer can overcome the sexy complaint by following the rule of cool. Make the character cool enough and it overrides other aspects.

I think an issue is that a few characters out there are being designed as both lame/bland and 'unattractive' at the same time, so they're missing an upside. This leans more into a writing issue though and that also happens with movies and TV.

Zendays is more popular probably because she date spiderman and acted in the spiderman movies and the dune movies, it has nothing to do with beauty.

Sweiner most famous work is fucking euphoria...

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

It would just be nice if female characters don't look like dudes but Sony dgaf

 

[MagiusNecros]

Kind of misses the point. It's not just about feminine beauty but about well written characters. It does help though.

Unironically the image to the left has the better face.

As far as Assassin games go with Female Protagonists I'd rather play

 

[Lokaum D+]

Expedition 33:

You can have gorgeous women in your game without them being on a bikini. If anything, a big-titted samurai girl on a 3D feudal japan game that isn't an 2D anime feels completely out of place and breaks immersion.

Sadly GoY have none of that, neither hot or gorgeous women

 

[sodstall]

No.

I just think character and world design have to be coherent and mesh well with what the game is trying to be. If you're gonna have a hot/attractive character then do it and own it. Same if you have a hot/repulsive character, ugly/sympathetic character ect.

 

[Trilobit]

I think most visual entertainment is more enjoyable with main characters that are pleasing to the eye. Like what we've seen with movies and television for years and years. There's nothing wrong with wanting attractive people. But when it's in games then it's wrong for some reason.

 

[cireza]

Who enjoys playing an ugly character ? Unless the appearance is very important and driven by the story and context, every time making an attractive character makes sense, then for sure make him attractive.

 

[March Climber]

Zendays is more popular probably because she date spiderman and acted in the spiderman movies and the dune movies, it has nothing to do with beauty.

Sweiner most famous work is fucking euphoria...

She gained that audience before Spiderman. It is worth looking up, sponsors, modeling, vogue stuff, ads, etc. It was around the time she changed her name from 'Zendaya Coleman' to just 'Zendaya' much like Beyonce.

She already had her own 'hive' as they call it.

I know people don't like to hear this, but again his statement is flawed.

Also to give credit where it's due, Sydney is still doing a great job making her name more and more relevant and household-worthy regardless of her multiple movie flops recently.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

Lets stop pretending that we are getting ugly females because that's the artist vision, it has everything to do with these woke freaks not wanting to give in to the straight white male gamers and it's a way to stick it to us.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Who enjoys playing an ugly character ?

My guess? Insecure people that cry at the sight of anything barely more attractive than them and who needs to "feel represented" by the media they consume, which is something I'll never understand. Conan is one of my favorite adventure movies, yet I've never felt the need to look like Schwarzenegger.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Would we remember classic Tomb Raider as fondly if Lara was a 6?
Possibly.
But we'd still be like "and imagine if she was hot and had a D cup".

 

[PurePlatinum]

Your thesis is incorrect because actually story doesn't make games better either.

 

[cireza]

Conan

 

[ReBurn]

"This is what real gamers want"

That's why they want it

 

[BennyBlanco]

Zendaya is potentially 2x or 3x more popular than Sydney Sweeney yet quite a few here loathe her or consider her to be average-looking.

I like the concept of your example, but the statement itself is flawed once you think about other actors.

It's just another example of the bubble here.

Edit: And to the OP, a designer can overcome the sexy complaint by following the rule of cool. Make the character cool enough and it overrides other aspects.

I think an issue is that a few characters out there are being designed as both lame/bland and 'unattractive' at the same time, so they're missing an upside. This leans more into a writing issue though and that also happens with movies and TV.

Zendaya is not aggressively ugly like this absolute specimen

If she was, she wouldn't be an A list actress. In Hollywood you can be a great actress with a big career and not a smoking hot woman, like Meryl Streep for instance. But you would never see someone like Bella Ramsey starring in big budget Marvel slop.

It's just weird that the videogame industry is held to completely different standards than other forms of entertainment. Even with subject matter. If they made a game with the plot of something like Sicario or Django there would be 400 brain dead think pieces from the Jason Schreiers of the world about how irresponsible it is.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Over the years, I've seen posts by GAFers who decry the "uglyfication" and "non-sexyfication" of female videogame characters. Pointing to The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Yotei as examples.

Is this really going to make a game better? Not gameplay or story?

I'm not going to get a modern Sony game with any sort of compelling gameplay, so yes, it'd be nice to at least enjoy looking at it since that's all I'm getting out of the bargain.

 

[Sethbacca]

If she was, she wouldn't be an A list actress. In Hollywood you can be a great actress with a big career and not a smoking hot woman, like Meryl Streep for instance.

Meryl Streep was an absolute fox 30-40 years ago. People age man.

I'm not going to get a modern Sony game with any sort of compelling gameplay, so yes, it'd be nice to at least enjoy looking at it since that's all I'm getting out of the bargain.

Why would you buy a game that you have no interest in playing just to look at some video game tits. This entire mentality just doesn't make sense to me. Save your $70 and spend it on something you want to play. You're living life on hard mode man.

 

[Zacfoldor]

-----YES!!!!-----