Black Myth: Wukong Gets Major Update: FSR4 for PC, PS5 Performance Mode to support native 60 fps with higher resolution, Czech Localization, and more
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Felessan
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It have nothing to do with surgery
Its a well known knowledge if you want to know how you think, what's driving factors and what's limitations - and it's based on neurobiology and cognitive psychology, not neuromedicine.
It takes ~0.3 sec from the time light of picture reach you eyes to the time you move you fingers on joystick thumb/kbms - and it's hilarious how people seriously think that 0.01ms of display lag brings a very important difference to gameplay.
But its no surprise on PCMR reaction - those usually tech guys with very narrow field of knowledge.
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Gaiff
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Source: your butt
Felessan
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Educate yourself a bit
Mental chronometry - Wikipedia
I was even generous, for 2-choice response, meaning you have to make simpliest decision in process, it's 0.5sec reaction time
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Gaiff
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A wikipedia article about a subject you know nothing about without empirical testing when it comes to games or input latency. And it says none of the things you said a few posts ago.Educate yourself a bit
Mental chronometry - Wikipedia
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Great rebuttal. Pun intended.
Felessan
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D - denial
Read an article, it's good and cover wide range of reactions
Even simpliest non-conditional reactions like reaction to light have a minimum base of 0.1-0.2sec and anything that requires actual recognition/analysis/decisions are way more than that
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
It's not a simple yes or no difference, there are like a ton on factors that can impact someones perception of framerates. To say theres no difference between 30 to 60 to 120 and so on is to pretty much dismiss the entire concept of what you are talking about, aka mental chronometry. Different type of brain comfort as you put it, is extremely simplified when it's more than that. Even if your reaction time is shit your visual sense will still see a noticeable difference between different frames. The brain is a complicated human feature.
Felessan
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Visual sense is that comfort of a brain I am talking about. Your brain might see difference between 500p and 4K and between 30fps and 120fps and find latter in both cases to be more enjoyable. But its perception, it doesn't affect gameplay. Game will be more enjoyable and as a result you might play more dedicated and concentrated improving results, but 10ms by themselves will change nothing.
PS. I don't see any difference between various fps if it's stable from like 20-25 fps.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Brain comfort is all we do/have since we're born. Theres no difference between puting your dick in the vagina of an ugly woman vs a pretty woman, however it sure is nice if it's pretty thus resulting in you ejaculating faster. Same thing applies to frames, the more comfortable you are, the better your reactions are. Like I said, it's not as simple as you put it. There is in fact a gameplay difference because thats how we perceive it and yes it is also true that some may not perceive any improvements.
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Felessan
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There should be a clear distinction between real impact, like you having ~real~ 20% increase in reaction time due to faster receiving information and psychosomatic factors. Because placebo is non-direct effects that are highly subjective, non-stable and might not be present at all. Better fps might get you play better or might not, it depends on person and situation.
And fps is not unique in this regards - higher resolution, better graphics even comphy sofa compared to gaming chair all have psychosomatic effects and by the same notion they all "real" but not really real.
Just to reminder - fps remark was about statement that resolution/graphics don't impact gameplay and fps do. In reality they all are in the same ballpark those don't really have impact on gameplay by physical mesures but might have some due to psychological comfort.
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
We've gone past what is real and what isnt a long time ago. We just accept things as they are, same discussion can be made with frame-gen, which is also about perception. Some complain they're not "real" frames, but at the end of the day, does it matter if what we perceive is the same or at least very close to it? Anyway I believe everything can impact gameplay, just depends on each.
Felessan
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You - maybe. I never forget what is real and what is not.
Because it affect how things are reached, it stability and dispersion, that in turn define probability how things will be improved for particular person, me for example.
If it would be physical improvement it always gives the same results for everyone - like neural interface will give 100-200ms reaction advantage over those who use classical means by moving limbs.
For psychological stuff it random whether you get it, at what scale and whether your play is improved or not. You like 60fps and so it's advantageous for you, I don't see and don't care, so for me going from 30 to 60 is a huge loss, as I get nothing but sacrifice a lot of IQ. As a result I do like my Quality modes and always will be vocal for them to stay. And will never agree to those who advocate that 60fps is a must for everyone and has some tangable advantages
Toots
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To change a bit from the Mayo clinic neurologic surgery residents breakroom talk above :
I don't think that would be the case if the game was as unplayable as you say.
It also has one of the highest percentage of platinum trophies i ever see in a game (something like 20% i think, like twice any other game completion percentage).
I don't think that would be the case if the game was as unplayable as you say.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Thats ok if its a you thing. As I said, what is real and what isnt nowadays it's a blur. You say IQ matters for you, but they're just pixels, why does it matter if its 720p or 4k? What youre looking at is not real, its generated. See where im going with this? Dont dismiss someone by saying fps doesnt impact stuff by going all neuroscience on them. Be like me and everyone else and shitpost by saying, get a PC bro.
Felessan
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It's not really a blur, all pieces can be put in their place to have proper general picture.
Its just nowadays people don't like to think, they prefer simplicity and "obvious" and got google and then chatGPT to "think" for them.
You again go for simplicity. It's really hard to explain something who can only operate on one black-white scale.
I already explained why fixed physical improvement is better than volatile psychological and how psychological effects can't be argument as it's pure tastes - talking about mandatory 60 fps is like talking that every game should be FPS game - it's stupid and immature. Especially when some bullshit arguments get in like "IQ doesn't affect gameplay but fps does".
Actually higher resolution have higher "physical" effect as you see more details and can recognize things faster - this is why resolution over fps was priority for good decades until diminishing returns kicks in at what you can see on average TV from average viewing distance as viewed detalization approaches physical limitations.
PC is shit for nerds though, why anyone would want one (I have one though unfortunately)
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I cant speak for anyone else but IQ didnt mean shit, and it didnt mean shit for you either years ago when you played at 1080p or 720p upscaled, or worse. When we were young we didnt give a shit about resolution, hell, if we did, Nintendo wouldnt be where it is right now. It really is that simple. But there is one thing that mattered to me as a PC gamer ever since I got one which were the framerates. The moment I saw 60 fps games on my 60hz screen I was in awe. That being said, I played FF16 at launch on PS5 at 30 FPS because it looked like absolute dogshit on performance mode, but these were rare cases for me.
Sethbacca
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And there are still people saying we don't need next gen yet.
I don't even care about this game, it's just clear there are still way too many compromises being made with the level of performance currently on offer.
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Felessan
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Nintendo sells children (family) games and that strata are insensitive to almost anything. Children can adapt to lack of resolution, fps or visual clarity much faster and better than adult, their plasticity of mind are on the whole other level.
Adults are not so fortunate and the whole point of next gen is to get better looking games and it was about IQ for a long time - PS2, PS3 and mostly PS4 were about getting better looking games, not about whether there is 30 or 60fps in them, it's became widespread thing only this generation.
If it wouldn't matter we would still play in pong level graphics, you can do quite a lot with it and the rest is imagination.
I have top of the line GPU since gtx480 and I never really cared about what number is on fps meter