Kepler: PS6 $600 and Xbox Magnus $1200
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Imagine only paying $1200 on a gaming pc that's not subsidized. Walmart special.
Radical_3d
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Now that we have "an Xbox handheld" for about 1K$ and that the new console is having one chip per waffle suddenly the usual suspects predict the end of the subsidised hardware and a 5 billion dollars PS6 (with a 160bit bus, of course).
Look, shit will be expensive if thinks keep escalating, but that doesn't mean that everything is going to have the same margins. Specially since PS has been subsidising its main console for 30 years now. Do you want to avatar bet on the PS6 price,
adamsapple
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nial
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Kepler did say what I said, and looking at things, it makes the most sense.
I don't really see them abandoning their dedicated Xbox development environment.
BlueManifest
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I'll buy the magnus if I can put steam os on it, good pc replacement
Artistic
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The PS5 Pro is $750, I just can't see where there's a market where new hardware that's more powerful would launch under that.Now that we have "an Xbox handheld" for about 1K$ and that the new console is having one chip per waffle suddenly the usual suspects predict the end of the subsidised hardware and a 5 billion dollars PS6 (with a 160bit bus, of course).
Look, shit will be expensive if thinks keep escalating, but that doesn't mean that everything is going to have the same margins. Specially since PS has been subsidising its main console for 30 years now. Do you want to avatar bet on the PS6 price,
That's just the logic my brain is using.
viveks86
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I think that was Kepler's speculation on how this could go. And yes, that does make the most sense.
But it also could makes sense that Microsoft wants to sunset the dedicated Xbox dev environment altogether. There must be a reason Sarah Bond ended her announcement with... essentially... Windows, Windows, Windows. So I'm going to leave some room for doubt. If the whole company is aligned on Windows being their future, then the Xbox OS, SDK, APIs are all essentially legacy "tech debt".
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Now that we have "an Xbox handheld" for about 1K$ and that the new console is having one chip per waffle suddenly the usual suspects predict the end of the subsidised hardware and a 5 billion dollars PS6 (with a 160bit bus, of course).
Look, shit will be expensive if thinks keep escalating, but that doesn't mean that everything is going to have the same margins. Specially since PS has been subsidising its main console for 30 years now. Do you want to avatar bet on the PS6 price,
No, I don't do avatar bets.
And I'm not saying anything controversial either. With PS4 Pro to PS5, we have one example where the next-gen console was priced the same as the last gen's Pro version.
If Sony are able to subsidize the console to a $600 figure, great, but them recently increasing prices of hardware that's been profitable to them since 2021 kinda tells you all you need to know. They're not really looking to eat up that much of the cost anymore.
ChorizoPicozo
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Xtib81
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Your last two screenshots (basically the intro of the game) are CGI.Doesn't DS2 look like that first UE5 video?
Sooner
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"Five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars".
PropellerEar
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PS6 $600
Bring it!
Xbox $1200
Eat curated shit Spencer!
Kacho
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kaizenkko
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I don't think Sony will subsidize the PS6 the way many people seem to believe. Sure, maybe they'll do something. But major subsidies? I doubt it!
You guys understand that Sony doesn't expect everyone to migrate to the PS6, right? As long as people keep actively playing on PS4 or PS5, great. Unlike previous generations, this time they don't need everyone to buy a new console to make money, since they'll still earn a lot even if you stay on PS4 or PS5.
In fact, I'd bet the PS6 won't have true exclusives (like Demon's Souls Remake or Returnal). In five years of this generation, there hasn't been a single permanent price drop for the PS5 anywhere in the world — on the contrary, prices actually went up (in some places, more than once). It seems like very wishful thinking to believe the next Sony console will cost $600.
You guys understand that Sony doesn't expect everyone to migrate to the PS6, right? As long as people keep actively playing on PS4 or PS5, great. Unlike previous generations, this time they don't need everyone to buy a new console to make money, since they'll still earn a lot even if you stay on PS4 or PS5.
In fact, I'd bet the PS6 won't have true exclusives (like Demon's Souls Remake or Returnal). In five years of this generation, there hasn't been a single permanent price drop for the PS5 anywhere in the world — on the contrary, prices actually went up (in some places, more than once). It seems like very wishful thinking to believe the next Sony console will cost $600.
"Game library" is not a strong argument, most people play a game once and then move on to the next one. Or they have 1-2 online games which they play forever and those are cheap to buy usually.
If consoles become sufficiently high-priced, people will absolutely consider alternative options, and there are more and more of those around, with handheld PCs and the Switch 2, whatever SteamOS box Valve is working on, gaming laptops etc.
saintjules
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Where?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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StreetsofBeige
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Everywhere. Price increased 2 months ago.
PlayStation 5 price changes in the U.S.
New prices effective starting on August 21.
blog.playstation.com
saintjules
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Everywhere. Price increased 2 months ago.
PlayStation 5 price changes in the U.S.
New prices effective starting on August 21.
Oh that's right I forgot. Oh well.
viveks86
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Sure. Even if I accept your counter, I just don't think $200 more 2 years from now is sufficiently higher priced to change habits and brand loyalty. Phones cost as much or more.
The bigger issue will be knowing how to market product differentiation from the previous generation so that they can incentivize mainstream consumers to upgrade. PS5 already is having trouble with the PS4. That would be amplified with the PS6.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'd pay $1200 for a console (not an Xbox, mind you) if it meant I could get significantly better hardware than what's in the base model. That's far from a mainstream product at that point, but fuck... I wish Sony would have the balls to actually deliver something high-spec.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, but that was Sarah Bond. Her own team doesn't believe anything she says, and neither do I.
nial
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Not as bad asThis thread is hilarious.
Imagine being buttered up for a $1200 console but all you can worry about is whether or not the projected price for the ps6 is too low.
ZehDon
's commentary on PS6 basically killing the home console market and leading to consumers rushing out to buy Steam Decks, at least.
TrebleShot
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It doesn't surprise me at all this is the second generation the Xbox has looked very weak despite having strong hardware against the Sony system so I think they're gonna try and blowing out the water so that all those comparisons and benchmarks show that Xbox is the best place to play the multi-plat games.
Mahavastu
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You can not go to crazy with the price, if you want to sell over 100mio units.
I would assume $600 is the absolute maximum Sony will be able to charge in 2027, otherwise the sales number would not be high enough, and they need the sales of the consoles to get the 30% cut for selling games and DLCs on their store.
tusharngf
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Sony is free to charge anything now. There is no competition.
saintjules
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With or without disc?
I do think personally it will be $699 as a base, but that could be based on internal data on how the Pro does/did at that price point.
Ramiro_Rodriguez
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599 $ sounds like a reasonable price, with the "mainstream" in mind.
You can't sell a 800 $ console and expect to sell again 100 million units or more and even 700 sounds too much.
How many can afford such an "expensive console"?
~172 million PS3 and 360 consoles were sold.
Also so many PS4 and One consoles.
But how many XSX/XSS and PS5 consoles can they sell till the end of this generation and are the prices the reason for maybe 30-40 million units less, compared to the last generations?
I would be "happy" with 499 or less for a PS6 digital.
But Sony can put a higher price tag on it, when MS relly plan to launch a Xbox with a MSRP of 1200 or more.
You can't sell a 800 $ console and expect to sell again 100 million units or more and even 700 sounds too much.
How many can afford such an "expensive console"?
~172 million PS3 and 360 consoles were sold.
Also so many PS4 and One consoles.
But how many XSX/XSS and PS5 consoles can they sell till the end of this generation and are the prices the reason for maybe 30-40 million units less, compared to the last generations?
I would be "happy" with 499 or less for a PS6 digital.
But Sony can put a higher price tag on it, when MS relly plan to launch a Xbox with a MSRP of 1200 or more.
Knightime_X
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We all know ps6 will cost closer to $1400 because sony knows there are suckers out there willing to buy the same console twice. (pro)
Fbh
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I don't know, it's already $80, there was some loud outrage the last time they raised the price but ultimately it didn't seem to have affected their subscription numbers. Though to be fair I'd imagine they'd raise the price $10 first, then another $10 after a couple of years.
If the console is $600 the narrative will focus on how it's cheaper than expected, and a Ps+ price increase will get somewhat lost in the discussion (just like they snuck in paid multiplayer while everyone was celebrating the price of the Ps4).
I don't think an extra $10-20/year is going to push that many people to PC because the up front cost of something similar is probably going to be way higher.
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Bernardougf
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That like what 150 cheaper than the Pro ?
Lol no.
Lol no.
ReyBrujo
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3DO revindicated!
Radical_3d
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You can see it if you contemplate that Sony takes the "hit" as they always do, while earning obscene amounts of cash.
But the PS4 Pro was obviously subsidised and the PS5 Pro is shamelessly priced to cover cost or give gains. Simple as.
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Kerotan
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Oooffff that's a good question.
I'd probably go with 20 million launch year/12 month's ps6 sold at 699 without a disc. That'll cost another 100 imo so it'll be an 800 machine if you want physical.
Personally I think Sony would be making about 70 profit on the drive. They'll charge a premium to make up for lost revenue. Personally I'll be buying one. It pays for itself by the end of the gen with the handful of physical I'll buy but I'll also use it for my blu ray collection.
Mister Wolf
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How much more powerful can we expect Magnus to be? 1.5x or higher?
Zacfoldor
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The Pro isn't the same console.
If I have a pro and you have a vanilla, my console is dominant over your console.
I don't buy it for the power increase.
I buy it for the dominance.
The end of the console war is playing out exactly how I expected. You want more of the future? This will come out and sell worse than XSX and become lesser than XSX is now and eventually be quietly discontinued. At some point the decision will be made that no more Xbox branded hardware is needed to sustain gamepass and that will be the end of Xbox hardware. I'll do an avatar bet if anyone just HAS to do it with me, but keep in mind I've already got one going to change my avatar to an xbox if DK doesnt' get a nom for goty at TGAs.
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Jigsaah
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If Xbox's next console truly is a PC hybrid that offers all the functionality of a PC without the additional need for tinkering that come with a PC to do basic things like playing games, maybe doing live streaming and being able to use any program Windows uses, then $1200 is actually a steal.
Building a midrange PC will typically run you about $1500 right now. I've built 3 for my friends within the past 6 months and yea...it roughly comes out to that or a bit higher if you want it to last for the next 5 years or so.
If the Rog Xbox Ally X is any indication, right now the OS needs a lot more work but if tweaked correctly it can really shine. Getting 90 fps with all the bells and whistles turned on at 720p in Oblivion Remastered is possible on this device. It's not perfect but it's impressive.
Building a midrange PC will typically run you about $1500 right now. I've built 3 for my friends within the past 6 months and yea...it roughly comes out to that or a bit higher if you want it to last for the next 5 years or so.
If the Rog Xbox Ally X is any indication, right now the OS needs a lot more work but if tweaked correctly it can really shine. Getting 90 fps with all the bells and whistles turned on at 720p in Oblivion Remastered is possible on this device. It's not perfect but it's impressive.
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Mister Wolf
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I don't know if it will be that high but they are definitely going to run the numbers up now that they have no console competition in their price/performance range.
viveks86
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