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[ValiantInstance]

What exactly are we talking about here? Writing, graphics, mechanics, story? Because I'm honestly lost.

The writing is solid. It balances serious moments with ridiculous ones really well. And there's no woke nonsense anywhere. I even went through the game's JSON translation files searching for certain words just to check and nothing came up.

The art design is beautiful. It's a gorgeous game and it's been a long time since I've taken this many screenshots in anything.

As I've said before, the mechanics are tried and true RPG systems. Interesting perks, weapon and armor mods, skill checks, traits, flaws and tons of fun build possibilities.

Can't fully judge the story yet since I haven't finished it but so far it's engaging enough that I can't wait for my next session which means it's doing its job perfectly.

Great RPG.

We clearly have very different expectations when it comes to new games, the things that impress you about this game don't impress me. So I don't think this conversation will bear any more fruit.

The original post was expressing worry about the gaming industry if OW2 flopped. My point is it doesn't offer enough to the consumer to convince them to buy it when OW1 and New Vegas can be picked up for pennies.

You can't just put out a sequel and expect it to sell. You can count the franchises that get away with this on one hand.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

We clearly have very different expectations when it comes to new games, the things that impress you about this game don't impress me. So I don't think this conversation will bear any more fruit.

The original post was expressing worry about the gaming industry if OW2 flopped. My point is it doesn't offer enough to the consumer to convince them to buy it when OW1 and New Vegas can be picked up for pennies.

Following your logic and moving back in time, Fallout 2 had no reason to exist because it's just Fallout 1 but bigger. And the same with New Vegas, it's just Fallout 3 with a better story. This reasoning is flawed, I can't even comprehend it. Yeah, this conversation ends now.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Following your logic and moving back in time, Fallout 2 had no reason to exist because it's just Fallout 1 but bigger. And the same with New Vegas, it's just Fallout 3 with a better story. This reasoning is flawed, I can't even comprehend it. Yeah, this conversation ends now.

I mean it's just not the same thing at all, those games were all huge evolutions over their predecessors.

As I said, we're living in different worlds.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I mean it's just not the same thing at all, those games were all huge evolutions over their predecessors.

As I said, we're living in different worlds.

You're living in a coo-coo world and rewriting history. I played Fallout 1 when it came out (well, one year later in 1998). It had outdated tech, gameplay mechanics, and graphics even for its time. By the time Fallout 2 came out, these issues were even bigger.

I also played Fallout 3 when it released. It had the same problems, and when New Vegas came out, it was even more visible.

Why are these games considered classics (F1, F2, NV)? Because they had great characters, stories, and RPG elements. They didn't invent anything or improve on everything that was already there. If The Outer Worlds 2 reminds me of these GOAT RPG games, that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

 

[damidu]

Waiting for the final numbers during weekend..

oof, doesn't look good. thought it'd have much bigger spike after base version launch

 

[DenchDeckard]

Looks cookie cutter to me, same as Avowed.

Doesn't attempt to innovate at all. Safe/woke corporate approved writing (the irony) with Marvel humour. These titles are just the video game equivalent of Netflix 'content'. It's just there to justify Game Pass and anyone who played it won't be able to tell you a thing about it 6 months from now.

We clearly have very different expectations when it comes to new games, the things that impress you about this game don't impress me. So I don't think this conversation will bear any more fruit.

The original post was expressing worry about the gaming industry if OW2 flopped. My point is it doesn't offer enough to the consumer to convince them to buy it when OW1 and New Vegas can be picked up for pennies.

You can't just put out a sequel and expect it to sell. You can count the franchises that get away with this on one hand.

Do you have examples of really good games, as Ive played games all my life and I trust my own opinion. This game is good so far. Much better than what the broader internet tries to tell us. Ill deffo give avowed a go as well after this.

 

[MagiusNecros]

oof, doesn't look good. thought it'd have much bigger spike after base version launch

It will be a niche cult classic. After OW1 not many will give Obsidian another go. And they also put out Avowed which wasn't great either.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

It will be a niche cult classic.

I think you're right about this.

 

[Negotiator101]

Games fucking dope. i worry about where we are heading if games like this flop.

I'd not put all the eggs in the Steam basket to determine if it's successful or not but I agree played it last night and checked my phone and it was 2 in the morning I'm usually in bed by 11.

 

[Negotiator101]

What exactly are we talking about here? Writing, graphics, mechanics, story? Because I'm honestly lost.

The writing is solid. It balances serious moments with ridiculous ones really well. And there's no woke nonsense anywhere. I even went through the game's JSON translation files searching for certain words just to check and nothing came up.

The art design is beautiful. It's a gorgeous game and it's been a long time since I've taken this many screenshots in anything.

As I've said before, the mechanics are tried and true RPG systems. Interesting perks, weapon and armor mods, skill checks, traits, flaws and tons of fun build possibilities.

Can't fully judge the story yet since I haven't finished it but so far it's engaging enough that I can't wait for my next session which means it's doing its job perfectly.

Great RPG.

Nice post, yeah it's people convincing themselves of something while never even playing the game.

The big thing I noticed playing last night was the noticeable bump in budget not only from the original but Avowed also. Anyone calling this a cheap sequel again haven't played it. Obsidian have great writing and really understand cause and effect which is important in an RPG.

 

[Infested Goblin]

Is there one game from obsidian in the last year's that had at least mid marketing budget? I swear to God, every game they release has close to 0 marketing post first trailer

 

[Ashamam]

The big thing I noticed playing last night was the noticeable bump in budget not only from the original but Avowed also

I am pretty critical of Avowed but so far it seems like OW2 is its own thing and pretty well done. I bounced off the first OW hard as well.

 

[Saberq]

I just can't play this game because of the companions...Beyond awful

 

[PonyStation4]

I just can't play this game because of the companions...Beyond awful

You know you can kill or betray them right? I handed over the 3rd companion to her enemy, now she's hanging over the gate in a spike suit

 

[GymWolf]

What exactly are we talking about here? Writing, graphics, mechanics, story? Because I'm honestly lost.

The writing is solid. It balances serious moments with ridiculous ones really well. And there's no woke nonsense anywhere. I even went through the game's JSON translation files searching for certain words just to check and nothing came up.

The art design is beautiful. It's a gorgeous game and it's been a long time since I've taken this many screenshots in anything.

As I've said before, the mechanics are tried and true RPG systems. Interesting perks, weapon and armor mods, skill checks, traits, flaws and tons of fun build possibilities.

Can't fully judge the story yet since I haven't finished it but so far it's engaging enough that I can't wait for my next session which means it's doing its job perfectly.

Great RPG.

you didn't noticed any woke stuff, which is different:

In the first 4-5 hours i had:

Single Dude refered as they (in the very first mission you get soldiers talking about the fate of this dude and they refer him as they, multiple times, maybe they were talking about his entire family but it made no sense for how the discussion was framed)
1 or 2 Lesbian couples messages\voice messages
First big choice is between evil white man that want to use the mind reprogramming thing or strong black woman in armour that has a much more normal plan.

Women are still ugly as fuck in 98% of the cases and the 2% just have more feminine haircuts compared to the butch paradise that was ow1, best looking gal is the main villain and she would be considered ok at best in any other game.


Like i'm liking the rest of the game well enough but it is still pretty woke compared to a completely non-woke game, if you were searching for the absolute extremes of panderman 2 or veilguard, then no, it is not as "modern terminology in your face" woke as those 2, you don't have bipoc artists or non-binary fucks, but i'm still 5 hours in, so the blusky is the limit...

No offence but you have to be the most sweet summer child ever to think that the team who brought you a commie male feminist wet dream like ow1 was about to make a completely non-woke game, it was physically impossible

 

[DenchDeckard]

It will be a niche cult classic. After OW1 not many will give Obsidian another go. And they also put out Avowed which wasn't great either.

I think so too, so many people are going to miss out on what seems a really good game but it will be seen as a good game in the future I bet.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

you didn't noticed any woke stuff, which s different:

In the first 4-5 hours i had:

Single Dude refered as they (in the very first mission you get soldiers talking about the fate of this dude and they refer as him as they, multiple times, maybe they were talking about his entire family but it made no sense for how the discussion was framed)
1 or 2 Lesbian couples messages\voice messages
First big choice is between evil white man that want to use the mind reprogramming thing or strong black woman in armour that has a much more normal plan.

Women are still ugly as fuck in 98% of the cases and the 2% just have more feminine haircuts compared to the butch paradise that was ow1, best looking gal is the main villain and she would be considered ok at best in any other game.


Like i'm liking the rest of the game well enough but it is still pretty woke compared to a completely non-woke game, if you were searching for the absolute extremes of panderman 2 or veilguard, then no, it is not as "modern terminology in your face" woke as those 2, you don't have bipoc artists or non-binary fucks, but i'm still 5 hours in, so the blusky is the limit...

No offence but you have to be the most sweet summer child ever to think that the team who brought you a commie male feminist wet dream like ow1 was about to make a completely non-woke game, it was physically impossible

So New Vegas is woke because there are lesbians? Okay, dude.

 

[cebri.one]

 

[Poppinfresh]

And they also put out Avowed which wasn't great either

Combat in Avowed was fine. Everything else was a mess.

I'd love to see what a competent, non-woke developer could do with the Avowed combat and leveling system.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Following your logic and moving back in time, Fallout 2 had no reason to exist because it's just Fallout 1 but bigger. And the same with New Vegas, it's just Fallout 3 with a better story. This reasoning is flawed, I can't even comprehend it. Yeah, this conversation ends now.

The guy preaches "Every game should attempt to try something new or have something meaningful to say" and 90% of his posts in neogaf is COD black ops 7 and Battlefield 6

With that kind of inch deep depth of gaming interest it's not even worth debating the irony

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Is there one game from obsidian in the last year's that had at least mid marketing budget? I swear to God, every game they release has close to 0 marketing post first trailer

It is front and center on my steam home page and was a part of few Xbox showcases. How much more marketing does it need?

 

[Darkness_Arises]

you didn't noticed any woke stuff, which s different:

In the first 4-5 hours i had:

Single Dude refered as they (in the very first mission you get soldiers talking about the fate of this dude and they refer as him as they, multiple times, maybe they were talking about his entire family but it made no sense for how the discussion was framed)
1 or 2 Lesbian couples messages\voice messages
First big choice is between evil white man that want to use the mind reprogramming thing or strong black woman in armour that has a much more normal plan.

Women are still ugly as fuck in 98% of the cases and the 2% just have more feminine haircuts compared to the butch paradise that was ow1, best looking gal is the main villain and she would be considered ok at best in any other game.


Like i'm liking the rest of the game well enough but it is still pretty woke compared to a completely non-woke game, if you were searching for the absolute extremes of panderman 2 or veilguard, then no, it is not as "modern terminology in your face" woke as those 2, you don't have bipoc artists or non-binary fucks, but i'm still 5 hours in, so the blusky is the limit...

No offence but you have to be the most sweet summer child ever to think that the team who brought you a commie male feminist wet dream like ow1 was about to make a completely non-woke game, it was physically impossible

You are among few people on this forum whose woke radar I trust. Thanks for shedding some light on this. Not saying that woke games can't be fun. I am currently playing through BL3 and that game is as woke as they get with a they/them vault hunter. I am not going to lie and say that it is non-woke, just because I am having fun with it.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

You are among few people on this forum whose woke radar I trust. Thanks for shedding some light on this. Not saying that woke games can't be fun. I am currently playing through BL3 and that game is as woke as they get with a they/them vault hunter. I am not going to lie and say that it is non-woke, just because I am having fun with it.

I can't imagine skipping Fallout 2 just because it allows gay sex and same-sex marriage. Or skipping New Vegas because Veronica and Arcade are openly gay.

 

[GymWolf]

You are among few people on this forum whose woke radar I trust. Thanks for shedding some light on this. Not saying that woke games can't be fun. I am currently playing through BL3 and that game is as woke as they get with a they/them vault hunter. I am not going to lie and say that it is non-woke, just because I am having fun with it.

And ironically, even if i can spot woke pretty well, i'm not as bothered as many people in here, i mean i defended some parts of forbidden west and ragnarock that are considered woke trash in here.

I'm not even bashing the game for being bad, i'm just saying that for the most sensible people who find woke stuff unbereable, this is not the woke-free games some people think it is.

 

[GymWolf]

I can't imagine skipping Fallout 2 just because it allows gay sex and same-sex marriage. Or skipping New Vegas because Veronica and Arcade are openly gay.

Dude it is a matter of context and time, when these games released, we knew that lesbian and gay stuff was on purpose and not to push a political agenda, sorry but modern western devs lost the benefit of the doubt long time ago.

I know, i know, there is a very small chance that all the stuff i found was organically made and not to push an agenda, but like i said, western devs lost the benefit of the doubt long time ago and if people straight up ask me if the game has anything woke, i'm gonna list that stuff and let them decide if they wanna have faith in the developer.


I never skipped a game because it was woke, but saying that this game has absoluely nothing woke is a lie, you can say that you are not bothered by it or that it is not as bad as other games, and i pray that it stay that way until the end.

I can give you that a couple of lesbian couples are a nothing burger for most, but many people are more sensible than us to "perceived" woke stuff.

 

[PeteBull]

you didn't noticed any woke stuff, which s different:

In the first 4-5 hours i had:

Single Dude refered as they (in the very first mission you get soldiers talking about the fate of this dude and they refer as him as they, multiple times, maybe they were talking about his entire family but it made no sense for how the discussion was framed)
1 or 2 Lesbian couples messages\voice messages
First big choice is between evil white man that want to use the mind reprogramming thing or strong black woman in armour that has a much more normal plan.

Women are still ugly as fuck in 98% of the cases and the 2% just have more feminine haircuts compared to the butch paradise that was ow1, best looking gal is the main villain and she would be considered ok at best in any other game.


Like i'm liking the rest of the game well enough but it is still pretty woke compared to a completely non-woke game, if you were searching for the absolute extremes of panderman 2 or veilguard, then no, it is not as "modern terminology in your face" woke as those 2, you don't have bipoc artists or non-binary fucks, but i'm still 5 hours in, so the blusky is the limit...

No offence but you have to be the most sweet summer child ever to think that the team who brought you a commie male feminist wet dream like ow1 was about to make a completely non-woke game, it was physically impossible

Genuine thanks from all of us with traditional worldview who cant stand feminism/wokeness, u sacrificed ur time/hard earned money and warned us whats in the game, basically doing prof reviewer job.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Dude it is a matter of context and time, when these games released, we knew that lesbian and gay stuff was on purpose and not to push a political agenda, sorry but modern western devs lost the benefit of the doubt long time ago.

I know, i know, there is a very small percentage that all the stuff i find was organically made and not to push an agenda, but like i said, western devs lost the benefit of the doubt long time ago and if people straight up ask me if the game has anything woke, i'm gonna list that stuff and let them decide if they wanna have faith in the developer.

I never skipped a game because it was woke, but saying that this game has absoluely nothing woke is a lie, you can say that you are not bothered by it or that it is not as bad as other games, and i pray that it stay that way until the end.

Are there people saying it isnt woke?

I do think its weird, no matter how we address it to think that people had 0 issues with New Vegas, and other older games but now we wont play them because we know there is a woke agenda. How do we know there wasnt a few key members of the teams back then who were pushing their own personal woke agendas? But we accept that because it was less talked about?

Seems a bit weird.

I can understand people being fed up with woke shit, I am too but like you I can happily play the games.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Single Dude refered as they

Only this is enough.

Few things are more immersion-breaking that inserting dumb neolanguage in a sci-fi or fantasy setting. If the game has a strong narrative focus, that is a no-go for me.

The goalposts have moved so much that we are starting to normalize this stuff. It's woke trash, nothing less.

 

[GymWolf]

Are there people saying it isnt woke?

I do think its weird, no matter how we address it to think that people had 0 issues with New Vegas, and other older games but now we wont play them because we know there is a woke agenda. How do we know there wasnt a few key members of the teams back then who were pushing their own personal woke agendas? But we accept that because it was less talked about?

Seems a bit weird.

I can understand people being fed up with woke shit, I am too but like you I can happily play the games.

Like i said, i never skipped a game because it was woke (i mean i completeted panderman 2 and played 30 hours of veilguard and didn't stopped for the woke stuff but for other problems).

But if people ask me if i found stuff that today can be perceived as woke, i'm not gonna lie just because i like the game.

 

[GymWolf]

Only this is enough.

Few things are more immersion-breaking that inserting dumb neolanguage in a sci-fi or fantasy setting. If the game has a strong narrative focus, that is a no-go for me.

The goalposts have moved so much that we are starting to normalize this stuff. It's woke trash, nothing less.

I'm trying to find the discussion i heard because there is a small chance they were talking about his whole family, from the things i listed, that is the only one that i'm not 100% sure.

Edit: nope, i found the part, i confirm what i said.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Like i said, i never skipped a game because it was woke (i mean i completeted panderman 2 and played 30 hours of veilguard and didn't stopped for the woke stuff but for other problems).

But if people ask me if i found stuff that today can be perceived as woke, i'm not gonna lie just because i like the game.

Completely agree brother. Better to be honest about it and let people make their own decision, like you said.

 

[GymWolf]

Completely agree brother. Better to be honest about it and let people make their own decision, like you said.

I also don't understand skipping a game because it's woke, but then again, i never skip games for moral stuff, i guess i don't have as strong will as some other gaffers

I have more problems with the game being strongly focused on "boring" themes like capitalism or fascism that i heard in the news every day more than the woke stuff but that is a subjective thing.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I never skipped a game because it was woke, but saying that this game has absoluely nothing woke is a lie, you can say that you are not bothered by it or that it is not as bad as other games, and i pray that it stay that way until the end.

Horizon Forbidden West is ten times more woke trash than this, and you defended it?

You found an audio log with a lesbian confession tucked in the corner and stuffed in a bin, and you call the game woke. You're just fragile if something like that affects you.

The first big choice isn't evil stupid white man versus smart black woman. It's between two different playstyles. The biggest god-like female figure in this game turns out to be a complete fraud, so it's not "women are always right" type of situation.

And the character models may not be supermodels, but they are good enough.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Are there people saying it isnt woke?

I do think its weird, no matter how we address it to think that people had 0 issues with New Vegas, and other older games but now we wont play them because we know there is a woke agenda. How do we know there wasnt a few key members of the teams back then who were pushing their own personal woke agendas? But we accept that because it was less talked about?

Seems a bit weird.

I can understand people being fed up with woke shit, I am too but like you I can happily play the games.

I mean look at this list, it becomes funny at some point

Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games

docs.google.com

If you really avoid all the long long list of "woke" you're basically playing nothing. Sad life.

 

[GymWolf]

Horizon Forbidden West is ten times more woke trash than this, and you defended it?

You found an audio log with a lesbian confession tucked in the corner and stuffed in a bin, and you call the game woke. You're just fragile if something like that affects you.

The first big choice isn't evil stupid white man versus smart black woman. It's between two different playstyles. The biggest god-like female figure in this game turns out to be a complete fraud, so it's not "women are always right" type of situation.

And the character models may not be supermodels, but they are good enough.

I defended some parts of horizon, mostly aloy being bitchy boss girl because she has ALL the reasons to be like that, some parts are not defendable and i trashed the game for those, and no, fw is definitely not more woke than this one, at worse they are on par.

I only have 5 hours with the game, for now i only had 2 decent women, i didn't encopuntered all the characters you meet, of course there is gonna be some decent looking woman.

Not sure why you are getting so mad but whatever.

If i was so fragile i would have stopped playing the game already, i only played 15 euros for it but if that make you feel better, be my guest.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I mean look at this list, it becomes funny at some point

Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games

docs.google.com

If you really avoid all the long long list of "woke" you're basically playing nothing. Sad life.

I've looked up Prey 2017:

Contains subtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Multiple LGBTQ+ npcs. No matter whether the player chooses to be male or female, he/she had a past romantic relationship with a female npc.

Fuck, uninstalling now!

 

[Zathalus]

I mean look at this list, it becomes funny at some point

Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games

docs.google.com

If you really avoid all the long long list of "woke" you're basically playing nothing. Sad life.

Remember when people made fun of leftists for being snowflakes? While laughing at needing trigger warnings and safe spaces?

This makes those people look positively normal.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I've looked up Prey 2017:

Fuck, uninstalling now!

I have bad news for you, Deus ex is pro-Transhumanism messaging, you have to change your avatar now.

 

[Zathalus]

I think the dumbest part of that list is that climate change is apparently part of the woke agenda. That or Metal Slug being woke because some of the player characters are woman.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I have bad news for you, Deus ex is pro-Transhumanism messaging, you have to change your avatar now.

What a rotten way to die.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Glad that people have taste. . Never liked the first one, didn't even know 2 was in the making. never liked Avowd either.

Stop making these games.

 

[poppabk]

No. Right now it's looking like it will do worse than Avowed after months of heavy marketing. Being on Game Pass doesn't prevent people from buying games as we saw with Hollow Knight and Oblivion. What we're seeing here is a total rejection by users on Steam.

Where do people get this 'heavy marketing' for any MS game? I haven't seen a single TV/streaming ad for this.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Where do people get this 'heavy marketing' for any MS game? I haven't seen a single TV/streaming ad for this.

I haven't seen an ad for a Microsoft game in my city in years. I see ads for every big Sony or Nintendo release, like posters at bus stops and that sort of thing.

 

[PeteBull]

I also don't understand skipping a game because it's woke, but then again, i never skip games for moral stuff, i guess i don't have as strong will as some other gaffers

It simply breaks immersion, i will give u example, when we watch marvel movie(those good ones) we agree on superheroes/villains being around us, but still other stuff apply, like gravity, all other laws, when we see for example last of us 2 abby vs tommy fight, like here:

We either gotta accept abby is a cyborg with impregnable titanium skull, or its all bs feminist propaganda that female with her tiny fragile skull can take stronger hits to the head than brock fucking lesnar and be perfectly fine after that.

For comparision, cyborg movie trailer with jcvd:


And its sequel, with peak beauty angelina jolie playing title role, back from 1993(movie is bad, angelina tho is super baddie ;p ):

 

[GymWolf]

PeteBull yeah i know but i guess it's not enough for me if other things in the game are interesting.

 

[PeteBull]

PeteBull yeah i know but i guess it's not enough for me if other things in the game are interesting.

I accept and fully understand it, bro, and again, im greatful for ur sacrifice so many times already, not every guy can handle delusional woke propaganda as well as u can tho, for ppl like me like i said is simply unacceptable/immersion breaking to a point i didnt play tlou2 even 5 years after its launch, and i still got my trusty ps4 connected under tv and i loved all ND games even back from first playstation times, including first TLoU.
Edit: As an example of really good fight kid ellie vs cannibal from first TLOU/remake:

U can see ellie is basically prey that barely manages to kill its hunter with tons of luck and using her brain, physicallity/strenght gap is tremendous and almost cant be breached no matter what, thats how avg man vs avg woman fight should feel too, unless we give the setting of superhumans/magic/auras/cultivation/cyberpunk and stuff, aka supernatural/not grounded in reality at all.

So tldr- first tlou did it well, 2nd tlou did it terrible and in no way believable, at least when it came to abby...

 

[STARSBarry]

oof, doesn't look good. thought it'd have much bigger spike after base version launch

As someone who really enjoys the game, its too expensive. Microsoft fucked up, it should be £50 and £70 for the deluxe not £60, £90.


You cant charge AAA prices for a game that will at best mostly be played on gamepass and sell a few hundred thousand copies.

 

[Negotiator101]

All this concern about sales and marketing instead of just enjoying what is a great game. Similar thread about Ghost of Yotei regarding not great sales at launch and people start losing their minds. Instead of enjoying another great game they argue about sales bullshit

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

Completely agree brother. Better to be honest about it and let people make their own decision, like you said.

I also don't understand skipping a game because it's woke, but then again, i never skip games for moral stuff, i guess i don't have as strong will as some other gaffers

I have more problems with the game being strongly focused on "boring" themes like capitalism or fascism that i heard in the news every day more than the woke stuff but that is a subjective thing.

I cannot bring myself to play politically woke games. For example Veilguard. It is so badly woke that I ignored it on Steam, didn't add my library as a freebie from PSN monthly games. I loved DA universe and they butchered it for their agenda. Why do I need to see "surgery scars" on a high fantasy game? Since the start of Dragon Age: Origins, lesbo or gay characters were involved with the DA games. But they were cohesive with the game. Didn't mind them at all. I laughed to Zevran too much for example. Veilguard was something else. They forcefully push everything to our throats. I cannot accept this.

If the game have gay or lesbo characters and they are cohesive with the world I really don't mind. I don't swing that way but really, I don't mind. But when developers push their woke agendas toward me, then I hate that game automatically. I want to have fun with the games, I don't need real world woke shit on games.

 

[pudel]

Obsidian asked for it. The moment this mental art director and his cheering colleagues went full retard on Elon....it was over!