[Rumor] New Symbols Hint at Crossbuy between PlayStation and PC

I think the only way Sony could beat bigger than Steam would be merging their PC and their PS PSN stores & launchers into one with full crossbuy for all games avalable on both stores.

Counting their console and PC userbase combined would help them start competing with Steam with pretty close numbers and to grow from that. This would also help them to neutralize Microsoft's gaming store in PC and the consolized PCs.

Doesn't that mean the game in question is cross-buy between PS platforms (PS4, PS5, PS6) and not a reference to the PC version? They're two different labels.

On Xbox, there are already cross-buy games between Xbox One and Xbox Series X, but they aren't Play Anywhere and don't include the PC version. I think it's the same here and nothing PC Launcher relative.
Sony did crossbuy, crossplay and remote play before than Xbox.

They did cross-buy with PS3, PSP, Vita, PS4, PSVR, PS5 and PSVR2. And in the cases of PSP>Vita and PS4>PS5 included virtually the whole catalog.

In PC they could do the same: make all the games available both in console (PS4, PS5 or PS6) and PC PSN crossbuy with each other.

Meaning, if you bought a game on PSN wouldn't need to buy the PC port (if available in PC PSN) again and viceversa. That would be a heavy incentive for PC players to buy games in PC PSN instead of in Steam, and for some of them to have a bigger incentive to buy a PS console after they built a library in PC PSN.
 
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I'm sure Sony and their studios will figure it out. If every major third party publisher is capable of doing it then there's no reason Sony studios can't.

Maybe they could, but why? At what price? Developing for one spec has always been an advantage for 1st party devs for decades. That doesn't and wont change now.
 
I give 3 years until we see God of War on the Xbox
It wont be 3 years

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I give 3 years until we see God of War on the Xbox
It's already available in the Rog Ally, which is a sneek peak of the future of Xbox:



Xbox won't be ported to proper Xbox consoles. Among other reasons, because in 3 years they won't exist.

Makes it easier for Sony to leave traditional console behind...

Maybe Sony gonna shock everyone and also release a console/pc hybrid?
Sony won't leave the traditional console behind because they are the traditional console market leaders by far and soon will be the only home console.

What they would do with this move would be to grow faster in PC. And to get even more new players for their traditional consoles from PC than they already get now, helping grow their traditional console beyond the all time history record numbers they have for any traditional console in gaming history.

Basically, after having defeated every single direct competitor they had in home consoles with this move they'd start to seriously starting to expand their empire by conquering the PC market too after having done some first early steps.

And pretty likely at the same time they will be doing their first early steps to expand in mobile and portable consoles to somewhere in the future, once their PC & GaaS expansion completes, do a massive push in portables and mobile.
 
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MLB The Show on PC finally?

Think there was a rumor/leak (or maybe a job listing?) basically confirming this was happening, from a few weeks back.

I definitely remember @Mibu no ookami talking about it multiple times.


It's long been my opinion that timed exclusivity is going to make a comeback next-gen.

My theory is the reason it's not happening much anymore is due to lack of offers, not lack of takers.
No coincidence that Sony and Nintendo are both showing record profits in an era where timed exclusivity is at its lowest.

Epic already tried doing tons of exclusivity deals and it's not helped their storefront get any real traction against those like Steam or even GOG. And I don't think the lack of timed exclusives this gen is down to lack of offers; remember, SIE tried getting timed exclusivity on stuff like Crimson Desert, but were turned down. That's probably not an isolated case, and it's been rather odd to me that outside of some Final Fantasy & smaller Square-Enix titles, almost all of SIE's timed exclusives this gen have come from relatively unknown & smaller studios. A major shift vs. just the gen prior.

I don't think keeping their own 1P titles exclusive or timed-exclusive to a PS PC launcher is going to get much blowback towards SIE, since those are games & IP in which they own one way or another. But if they try lapping up tons of 3P timed exclusives, basically pulling an EGS but in hyperdrive, they're going to get a LOT of resentment and pushback from PC gamers, for sure. It won't go over well for SIE if they try a similar strategy in that space, IMHO.

Quite frankly, SIE would have to compete on features. Like, genuinely outmaneuver Valve and other PC storefront platforms in terms of QOL and features. Doing that and then leveraging the strength they have in the home console space could in turn benefit their PC storefront. There will be some form of cannibalization, but as long as most of it is lateral, then that's not too bad for them. Rather than gunning for 3P timed exclusives, if it's an argument about bolstering their PC storefront, SIE would be better off ensuring as much of the console library is also accessible on their PC launcher/storefront. Ensuring that the library of both 1P AND 3P titles is the same on console & PC storefront ensures SIE don't lose 3P sales to non-SIE storefronts on PC, meaning they strengthen the crossbuy effect between their PC storefront and the console.

Another potential benefit for gamers, if that were to happen, is that SIE would finally bring some much-needed QOL and user-side feature improvements to their console, and maybe even do things like remove the online paywall. It'd be immensely stupid of them to try getting feature parity with something like Steam for their PC storefront, only to still have most of that stuff missing from their own console. At that point you're better off ditching a PlayStation console and going to PC. Sure maybe you also keep your 3P purchases on SIE's storefront, but you're probably not buying their peripherals as much. You're likely not a need to subscribe to PS+ in that scenario either (if it's even present on the PC storefront). And naturally, SIE lose out on the revenue of a console purchase, which has implications of its own.

Maybe the games have been less than they should be, ie they suck. 😉

Well that objectively isn't true since their games have sold quite a few millions on their own hardware.

Meanwhile you have stuff like The Banana Game selling millions on Steam. Maybe we're in an alternate timeline where screensavers are the true next step of immersion?

I think the only way Sony could beat bigger than Steam would be merging their PC and their PS PSN stores & launchers into one with full crossbuy for all games avalable on both stores.

Counting their console and PC userbase combined would help them start competing with Steam with pretty close numbers and to grow from that. This would also help them to neutralize Microsoft's gaming store in PC and the consolized PCs.

Merging the console & PC storefronts still presents a situation similar to what Microsoft face currently: your console games won't be natively playable on the PC side unless you're either running an emulator (or compatibility layer) or there is a bespoke port of that game on the PC platform for the storefront.

Yeah in theory they could count the console & PC storefront bases together for bragging points to shareholders, but it means little in substance if there's the level of library incompatibility I just pointed out. It'd also seem like a very reactionary measure against what MS is trying to do; half-measures to artificially bolster numbers for bragging rights is Microsoft's M.O, but not something SIE would waste time doing unless it represented something meaningful for actual customers in their install base.

Basically: I would not see SIE combining headcounts across the two bases unless a clear majority of the shared software library were natively accessible across both.
 
Even if the game is Cloud Enabled, you will still need the PS+ Premium tier to stream it in order to Buy and Stream.

Windows is an open platform. Xbox will become an open platform too. Sony doesn't need to own the OS layer in order to build their ecosystem on top of Windows and Android.

I'm quite glad they're doing this, a Sony PC store, with PS+ integration, Cross Buy, Cross saves, Cross Play, they can sell games directly on both PC AND next gen Xbox without giving a cut to either Valve or MS.

Xbox is my preferred platform especially if a game is Play Anywhere and Cloud Enabled, but I would love that for the Sony games too. A lot of flexibility in supporting the original developers without having to buy hardware just for exclusives.

Buying the hardware is what helps keep Playstation's ecosystem flying high.

What goes around, comes around.

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'ol girl gets around doesn't she? 😂
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Back when a certain someone was still at Xbox he said several times PS games on PC was only a matter of time, day and date

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I like to believe Sony wouldn't be this dumb to burn their profitable and growing ecosystem.

Excellent, it will be easier for you to migrate from PlayStation to PC.

And here's the problem in one quick post.
 
Buying the hardware is what helps keep Playstation's ecosystem flying high.
Sony already puts their games on PC though. And doing so by putting their games into other ecosystem they have zero control over.

A PC storefront with Cloud integration only strengthens Sony's ecosystem.

Hardware has a limit, when a Cloud only user buys games from Sony PC store and streams them, they're joining Playstation ecosystem. Once they build enough of a library, and they decide to buy hardware in the future, a PlayStation Console becomes no brainer for them. Same goes for xCloud users buying Xbox hardware.

These are extensions of their ecosystem where Sony gets 100% of the revenues. Putting games onto Steam isn't helping their ecosystem at all.
 
If they think they are not going to put their games on Steam in the future, they are in for a rude awakening.
It would be all of the above approach, similar to Xbox. Certain benefits only on their PC storefront.

Like Sony PC game cross buy with their handheld. Or if someone into PS5 for TVs buys a PC handheld, they still get cross buy.
 
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That would be good but it's been 30 years and they still haven't hired them.

I don't know if that's fair to say. Think about how bad the PSN was during the PS3 days and compared that to the PS5's. On the PS3, you literally had to be open a browser to get to the PSN store and it also ran like shit. Sony may not be the cream of the crop when it comes to software, but they've made significant strides since those minidisc days where their software barely functions.
 
This will hurt microsoft's initiative even more

Idk, people will already be using Steam for their Sony games, it will just be another launcher on the Xbox PC(a Sony game Launcher on it lol). It will hurt Steam more than MS if it becomes where most people buy their PS games.
 
Interesting times but I think people are making into a bigger deal than it is. Sony already has some of their games on PC. This would be a pro consumer move for something they are already doing. If they decide to go day and date with their big first party (*single player) titles, then we know things have changed.
 
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I believe this when I see it. Not a second before that.

Cross buy would be extremely pro-consumer. I currently double dip on so many Sony games. That or skip the PS release and sit there waiting for a PC release even though I have all consoles. Needs to have cross progression too, starting over on a new save just because I play on a different device is dinosaur mode.
 
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Sometimes I think this is like giving Microsoft a push.
"Look, Sony is also going to make PCs day one," and Nadella is already happy and reinforces that they are right.

To this day I think the leak of "4GB" of RAM in the PS4 and "RDNA1 8TF" in the PS5 was all anti-intelligence for the idiots at Microsoft to feel victorious.
 
It would be awesome... im waiting for the catch.

Inb4 its streaming games are coming to PC and you can a cross platform streaming title or something far less exciting
 
That is great news. Even if it is stuck on some Sony launcher, would be great to boot up Ghost of Tsushima or Last of Us 2 on PC and run at 4k 120fps.

I think the only Sony game I ever double dipped on PC with was Horizon Zero Dawn because it was like $10 at some point.
 
While I would want this, I dont think it would work for sony for first party at least. They are relying on pc sales for extra cash down the road. More for third party who have date and date on consoles and pc
 
This would also be great if they do a GT7 PC release
If you get cross-progression as well it'll be a fantastic pro-consumer move. I have PS games I would love to have on PC but starting over from the beginning would be a major hype-killer.
It's just a save file. How hard can it be to do this right?
 
Without a strorefornt on pc makes no sense. Valve and whoever else aren't gonna be giving out free copies and Sony sure as shit isn't going to give them some kickback from PSN sales to compensate.

And the strorefront also makes no sense if they continue releasing games on steam. But if they remove releases from steam they will have to accept a hit to sales.
 
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100% expecting some gimped version of a launcher where there is no cross save between games on console and pc or cross buy games will be 20 quid more than normal versions.

They will be blocked on handheld devices , won't work on Linux/ steam os.
 
I hope its in a format with DRM as bad as Windows Store.
Xbox showing Playstation the way.
Lets see.
  • Paying to Play online
  • Releasing your games on PC
  • GaaS chase
  • Spending resources on making your console unmoddable
Overall a negative influence since its existence.
 
And you think they wouldn't? PS is basically sustaining Sony.

MLiD has said that Sony is having a strong direction to make PS6 as affordable as possible.

If Sony makes its own PC launcher (regardless of its business intentions), that would be the strongest way to protect its ecosystem and games. But let's see. Making a successful storefront is hard.
I'm not suggesting they wouldn't look after the part of the business making the most money. I just pushback on the idea that a cross buy pc launcher being a good way to protect the PlayStation ecosystem. It just supports the argument for people to migrate over to PC if there's an affordable option for them. I do agree that an affordable PS6 will go a long way to help negate that though.
 
Epic already tried doing tons of exclusivity deals and it's not helped their storefront get any real traction against those like Steam or even GOG. And I don't think the lack of timed exclusives this gen is down to lack of offers; remember, SIE tried getting timed exclusivity on stuff like Crimson Desert, but were turned down. That's probably not an isolated case, and it's been rather odd to me that outside of some Final Fantasy & smaller Square-Enix titles, almost all of SIE's timed exclusives this gen have come from relatively unknown & smaller studios. A major shift vs. just the gen prior.

I don't think keeping their own 1P titles exclusive or timed-exclusive to a PS PC launcher is going to get much blowback towards SIE, since those are games & IP in which they own one way or another. But if they try lapping up tons of 3P timed exclusives, basically pulling an EGS but in hyperdrive, they're going to get a LOT of resentment and pushback from PC gamers, for sure. It won't go over well for SIE if they try a similar strategy in that space, IMHO.

Quite frankly, SIE would have to compete on features. Like, genuinely outmaneuver Valve and other PC storefront platforms in terms of QOL and features. Doing that and then leveraging the strength they have in the home console space could in turn benefit their PC storefront. There will be some form of cannibalization, but as long as most of it is lateral, then that's not too bad for them. Rather than gunning for 3P timed exclusives, if it's an argument about bolstering their PC storefront, SIE would be better off ensuring as much of the console library is also accessible on their PC launcher/storefront. Ensuring that the library of both 1P AND 3P titles is the same on console & PC storefront ensures SIE don't lose 3P sales to non-SIE storefronts on PC, meaning they strengthen the crossbuy effect between their PC storefront and the console.

Another potential benefit for gamers, if that were to happen, is that SIE would finally bring some much-needed QOL and user-side feature improvements to their console, and maybe even do things like remove the online paywall. It'd be immensely stupid of them to try getting feature parity with something like Steam for their PC storefront, only to still have most of that stuff missing from their own console. At that point you're better off ditching a PlayStation console and going to PC. Sure maybe you also keep your 3P purchases on SIE's storefront, but you're probably not buying their peripherals as much. You're likely not a need to subscribe to PS+ in that scenario either (if it's even present on the PC storefront). And naturally, SIE lose out on the revenue of a console purchase, which has implications of its own.
Lots to unpack here.

1) Sony getting rejected for Crimson Desert doesn't mean that they are still offering timed exclusivity at the same rate as they used to before. We have a tendency to micro-focus on the sliver of data we get and not look at the bigger picture.

2) The Epic store arguably had the most traction when it actually competed aggressively for timed exclusives (you have to be delusional if you thought things like Outer Worlds 1 or Borderlands 3 didn't push EGS adoption, thoss games were big), the real issue is for some reason Steam users constantly complain about Epic like it was the devil itself (the parasocial relationship people have with that storefront needs to be studied imo).

3) The "Steam has features" talk is nonsense, my experience with GOG or Epic was excellent and I genuinely don't need half of the features Steam touts. The only way to compete in entertainment is through exclusivity of content, and Steam being first actually got a ton of defacto exclusive content. THAT is the real reason it doesn't have to pay to get any.

Every single entertainment giant competes on some form of exclusivity, and given that we have multiple giants coming into collision next gen, it only stands to reason we will be seeing timed deals make a comeback.
 
Just a warning...the only time Sony used the term "cross-buy" it was between a portable and a home console. That could be about PS6 and PS6 Portable. I assume if it was PS and PC they wouldn't have the tag PS5/PC as well:


I like to believe Sony wouldn't be this dumb to burn their profitable and growing ecosystem.
But if more people buy their games, if more people buy their subscriptions, etc...they would make more money...if it's not on steam. I just think that a PS launcher will happen sooner or later. And the incentive will be using your PS Plus subscription and cross-buying games between PS and PC. Maybe day one for PC will be on their launcher only and steam will keep getting the games years later, who knows.
Something along those lines.
 
I think they should do their own store front if it means I can get games day one on pc.

It makes sense.

I don't think the storefront will be a huge success but if its pretty streamlined and offers basic functionality.

I absolutely love cross buy and cross progression so this would be a game changer for me.
 
Sony are continually going down the wrong path. From the games they green light and fund to this ecosystem destroying pc adventure.

The truth of the matter is that Somy games are not remotely popular enough on pc to pursue the market. Barring Arrowhead's Helldivers, it just doesn't make sense. They'll just open the door for people to leave their ecosystem and bleed users.

As an ardent sony fan who was locked in their ecosystem, their distractions have lead me to drop PlayStation as my primary platform in favor of pc. The net cost of that means, $0 for ps plus to sony, $0 to sony from the purchase of 3rd party software and dlc to Sony. So now instead of Sony profiting off all my purchases, they only have the potential to profit if I purchase a PlayStation game. Even when that happens, they don't get the full 100% because Valve has to get their cut.

Copying Xbox's failed strategy will only lead to the same end result, brand devaluation. Microsoft had their version of CrossBuy called play anywhere and people still didn't stick with the xbox store. Epic gave away free games including games like GTA V and people still don't use the epic store. The library lock-in steam has is borderline unbreakable. Very few are leaving their steam library to migrate to a new store.

Nintendo solved their play anywhere problem by adopting a creating a mixed use device. You can play your switch docked or take it in the go. As a result, your library goes anywhere. That's the model sony should follow instead of chasing after pc. A device that allows you to take your library anywhere. Instead of focusing on their ecosystem and creating an environment that delivers an experience & software that people want to pay for, they instead get distracted with these pointless misadventures. It seems like the only console maker who has any semblance of sense anymore is Nintendo.
 
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I hope its in a format with DRM as bad as Windows Store.

Lets see.
  • Paying to Play online
  • Releasing your games on PC
  • GaaS chase
  • Spending resources on making your console unmoddable
Overall a negative influence since its existence.
What was Xbox big GaaS in 2019-2021 that made Jim Ryan approve 20 something GaaS ?
 
I give 3 years until we see God of War on the Xbox

The new Xbox will be out in less than 3 years.. and guess what it will run steam.

Good to see everyone still in denial here on the direction Sony is taking that was inevitable.
 
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Xbox showing Playstation the way.
Playstation's first PC release was over half a decade ago...

Both companies are in totally different positions also.

One thing Gaf hasn't realized: Some people prefer to play on consoles...others on PC. The majority won't switch sides anymore, not with their digital libraries already building up for a long time in many cases.

Sony probably already realized that having their games on PC with their store front won't change their hardware sales all that much, specially if they also release a portable with the PS6.

The goal? Increase their MAU number with console users (home and portable) and PC + cloud. They aren't doing what MS is doing because you will be playing inside THEIR ecosystem, They won't be releasing their games on other companies ecosystems.

My bet? Day one releases on their consoles (obviously) and their PC storefront. Steam releases will either ceise to exist or have a 2 year delay like right now. They may sell less PC copies but make more money.

Microsoft is a 3rd party publisher that's basically leaving hardware at this point...Nothing alike.
 
What was Xbox big GaaS in 2019-2021 that made Jim Ryan approve 20 something GaaS ?
  • Minecraft Earth
  • Bleeding Edge
  • Forza Street
  • Microsoft Flight Simulator
  • Halo Infinite
And these were announced
  • Age of Empires IV
  • Forza Motorsport
 
I think the only way Sony could beat bigger than Steam would be merging their PC and their PS PSN stores & launchers into one with full crossbuy for all games avalable on both stores.

Even if Sony mandated any new games must have a PC version, and that it's included with the PS version (which itself is insane), how can they retroactively 1) make all past titles work on PC, and 2) make it legal? They will need a new agreement and maybe even new version for EVERY SINGLE OLD GAME for this to happen. Would it be great, of course but it seems like an insurmountable nightmare.
 
If true doesn't this mean there will be a PS Store on PC? I would be so all in on that. Fuck having a console when I have multiple PCs already.
 
I'd definitely welcome a Sony PC store with crossbuy. Then I might buy GT again. Still annoyed that my PS3 wheel works fine on PC forever, while Sony felt USB and USB is not compatible between generations.
 
Doesn't the PS5/PC kinda tell you this already, just like PS4/PS5 symbol implies it
why an additional symbol?
makes no sense from a design pov
 
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