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[rodrigolfp]

It's a $40 game, so yes.

 

[lifa-cobex]

A new tool has been invented.

It will be used

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That thing is being used in pretty much all businesses where someone knows how to type prompts.

It's also going to be used even more by programmers, their toolset had been affected first.

Not going away, at best you can delay it.

 

[TrebleShot]

I dont care and if you do care the next gen AI or AGI is just around the corner and oh boy, your in for a rude awakening.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

What did these guys take home last year?

You have no idea, so you can't assume they were somehow forced into signing a shitty contract. Not saying they didn't but we have zero evidence to suggest that.

Loads of people will feel compelled to keep working and keep getting paid even if they're not worried about paying the bills.

Some people will, as I've already said, feel concerned that their industry is going to be diminished in the future and so will take work today that isn't ideal on the basis that there might be less work in the future while they see what the appropriate next move is.

Anyone who has owned a business or been freelance will understand that sometimes you take work in sub optimal conditions, unless you're at capacity all the time, especially when you feel you don't have the power to negotiate for better conditions or pay.

 

[clarky]

Loads of people will feel compelled to keep working and keep getting paid even if they're not worried about paying the bills.

Some people will, as I've already said, feel concerned that their industry is going to be diminished in the future and so will take work today that isn't ideal on the basis that there might be less work in the future while they see what the appropriate next move is.

Anyone who has owned a business or been freelance will understand that sometimes you take work in sub optimal conditions, unless you're at capacity all the time, especially when you feel you don't have the power to negotiate for better conditions or pay.

I own a business. You don't sign a contract that's specifically going to exclude you from the prospect of future work unless the deal is decent. Only a retard would do that.

 

[mhirano]

Remember stupid trends that made games worse every year?
Like procedural generation, derivative design, focus group testing, desgin by comittee?
AI is like every single bad thing put together and shat by the LLM.
AI as a tool is not bad per sem but as a trend is terible for our hobby. Expect even worse and soul-less games being published every year

 

[lughnasadh123]

Fanatics is a good term for people thinking they're going to stop a useful tool like any other advancement over the history of the world ignoring any nuance or context of how beneficial it is when instead they could be leading a movement how to best ethically implement it. In this case I have zero issue with it.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I own a business. You don't sign a contract that's specifically going to exclude you from the prospect of future work unless the deal is decent. Only a retard would do that.

Perhaps not every business works like yours does.

At this point I'd be repeating myself so there's not much point in continuing. I haven't managed to convince you that people sometimes feel compelled to take deals that aren't always ideal. I've posed a possible situation, you've told me it's definitely not the case and similarly, I am unconvinced by your arguments.

 

[Ribi]

I want more crunch in my game and if the devs aren't nearly dead from being overworked what's the point?

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

Extraction shooters X algorithmic theft. Slop on top of slop. It's a match made in heaven.

 

[Killer8]

Pissing off ResetEra is always morally correct.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

And? Why are you bringing their discussion here?

Because I wanted to know the opinion of the people here.
Are you really this dense that you couldn't figure it out even with a poll attached? On a discussion forum. Lmfao.
You dont like the thread, you don't need to post in it or engage with it in anyway.

 

[Windom Earle]

Maybe they should have used AI to have characters that do not look like woke dogshit.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

Remember stupid trends that made games worse every year?
Like procedural generation, derivative design, focus group testing, desgin by comittee?
AI is like every single bad thing put together and shat by the LLM.
AI as a tool is not bad per sem but as a trend is terible for our hobby. Expect even worse and soul-less games being published every year

What does this have to do with Arc Raiders and the premise of the thread?

 

[Mengy]

I'm fine with the way Embark used AI in Arc Raiders.

AI tools for game dev are here to stay, and with the high costs of game dev today the use of those AI tools will only become more and more common. There just isn't any getting around that, and soon it will be very hard to NOT buy a game which used AI to create it. So, if someone wants to boycott said games for some kind of moral high ground then that's their prerogative, BUT that hill is going to become smaller and smaller and within a few years its going to be a very, VERY lonely hill to stand on.

It's like someone stating they wanted to boycott anyone using cars back in 1900 because they support the horse industry and don't want to help enable the loss of all those blacksmiths, carriage builders, and horse groomers. That's a position someone back then could have taken, but as the years went on and cars became more and more common it would have been increasingly difficult to not change that moral position. AI will play out similarly over time.

 

[Dr Cowley]

Someone cares

2/5 AI bad

Arc Raiders review - a smartly designed extraction shooter marred by one inexcusable decision

Rich combat and an unusually friendly community make Arc Raiders an cracking extraction shooter, but Embark Studios' continued use of AI voices is inexcusable.

www.eurogamer.net

 

[geary]

AI voices can enable some nice reactivity and interactivity that wasn't really possible with canned lines. That said, it's still far from giving convincing emotive dialogue beyond short barks. If you can have human voice actors, it'll be far better quality, unless it's like that Ada VA in RE4R. In one guy indie games, or mods for games with no other VO I'd probably use it over nothing even for main voice lines. Ultimately it's quality of the output that matters, be it bot or human.

There are less than a dozen of games where the voice acting is stellar. Most human VA in games is not better and AI VA

 

[mhirano]

What does this have to do with Arc Raiders and the premise of the thread?

I was criticizing AI use in game development as a trend.
And ARC Raides is our "horse armor" moment for AI

 

[Durin]

I think your take on it is what a lot of people will think. I also think a lot of people who don't have much foresight will say things like "I'll be alright, AI can't do my job, I'm a plumber " but I suspect that those voice artists, actors, graphic designers, composers and latterly accountants, customer service agents, etc. Etc. will have to do something to earn money.

Yeah, other people is why I made the post. It doesn't matter what I think, the average person never cares how the sausage is made, and that's why only activists on the issue + people who work in these fields are going to be the ones that do.

I also am of the mind that AI is overhyped in how many jobs it will destroy. No doubt there will be a decent amount, but the technology has limits that companies selling it as snake oil don't want to admit to, and there will be a bubble that bursts. Numerous AI companies will die, companies will narrow its usecase in the areas it's good at, progress will be made in others, and the companies that actually make something useful will stick around like after the dotcom bubble.